From: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com (edheads-digest) To: edheads-digest@smoe.org Subject: edheads-digest V6 #12 Reply-To: edheads@efohio.com Sender: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com Errors-To: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com Precedence: bulk edheads-digest Friday, January 17 2003 Volume 06 : Number 012 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: edhead list [Roxanne Finch Emond ] Re: edhead list ["Bertram Tunnell" ] Re: edhead list [Buddy Brannan ] [Fwd: edhead list] [Scott Stanard ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:28:54 -0500 From: Roxanne Finch Emond Subject: Re: edhead list >Sound samples: Are mp3 samples possible? Real Player is slightly less evil >than, say, The Most Evil Thing You Can Possibly Imagine. I second that. I refuse to have Real Player on any of my 3 computers because of all the liberties it takes with your system. I'd rather do without the sound samples than have to install that truly evil piece of software on any of my computers. - - rox ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:29:50 -0500 From: "Bertram Tunnell" Subject: Re: edhead list Excellent point. Whether it is by choice that people don't run flash...or simply can't due to bandwidth or operating system/browser version. There simply HAS to be a non-flash version. I can't believe one doesn't exist right now. That would be very very bad...and not saying alot about the designers. They should know better. >From: "Jim Merullo" >To: "edhead list" >CC: "John Clem" >Subject: Re: edhead list >Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:20:25 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from mc3-f9.law16.hotmail.com ([65.54.236.144]) by >mc3-s21.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Fri, 17 >Jan 2003 08:23:35 -0800 >Received: from smoe.org ([199.201.145.78]) by mc3-f9.law16.hotmail.com with >Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Fri, 17 Jan 2003 08:22:24 -0800 >Received: from smoe.org (ident-user@localhost [127.0.0.1])by smoe.org >(8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0HGL7D9005225for >; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:21:07 -0500 (EST) >Received: (from majordom@localhost)by smoe.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id >h0HGL7mW005224for edheads-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:21:07 -0500 (EST) >Received: from mail.tan270.com ([63.238.53.33]) by smoe.org >(8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id h0HGL5D9005209 for ; Fri, >17 Jan 2003 11:21:05 -0500 (EST) >Received: (qmail 32766 invoked by uid 1008); 17 Jan 2003 17:07:32 -0000 >Received: (qmail 32764 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2003 17:07:32 -0000 >Received: from mta1.wss.scd.yahoo.com (66.218.85.32) by gromit.tan270.com >with SMTP; 17 Jan 2003 17:07:32 -0000 >Received: from WSBID01504 (134.174.110.5) by mta1.wss.scd.yahoo.com >(6.5.032.1) id 3E270D8600067685; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 08:20:32 -0800 >Delivered-To: efohio-com-edheads@efohio.com >Message-ID: <005501c2be44$57e600a0$b022af0a@WSBID01504> >References: <3E28159C.B7CAE2A8@college.dtcc.edu> ><5.1.0.14.2.20030117093743.00a66800@pop-server.austin.rr.com > ><3E282A9E.F4DB425D@college.dtcc.edu> >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 >Sender: owner-edheads@efohio.com >Precedence: bulk >Return-Path: owner-edheads@efohio.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jan 2003 16:22:26.0456 (UTC) >FILETIME=[9F9AA180:01C2BE44] > >As long as we're providing feedback for the new site... > >First off, the site *looks* great. I like the new bios and the overall >look >of the site. > >A couple of things: > >I agree about the Flash navigation. You're turning away a *lot* of >potential viewers. A website is a great tool to promote something and the >easier it is for people to view it the more useful it is. Flash is a >great >tool for certain things but, in my opinion at least, site navigation isn't >one of them. > >Sound samples: Are mp3 samples possible? Real Player is slightly less >evil >than, say, The Most Evil Thing You Can Possibly Imagine. > >Just some feedback. I do like the site and it's good to see the band >updating it. > >My $.02 > >Jim > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Scott Stanard" >To: "Dave Read" >Cc: "John Clem" ; "edhead list" > >Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 11:09 AM >Subject: Re: edhead list > > > > I agree... I am not online at home, and while the system at work here >is >quite > > decent and fast, if they don't have Flash (and they don't), or any other >item (like > > RealAudio) that requires a Plug-In, the network does not allow any >downloading like > > that, making it impossible. > > > > I bet the new site's really cool -- I just wish I could see it... > > > > Scott > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Dave Read wrote: > > > > > At 09:47 AM 1/17/2003 -0500, John Clem wrote: > > > >Note: The new web site is Flash-based programming. You need the >Flash > > > >Plug-In to view the new site. > > > > > > IMO Flash is a terrible thing to do to a web site. It's OK to make >light >use of > > > Flash, but to make the site navigable only through Flash -- or worse, >to >make > > > all content on the site Flash-based, is a huge mistake. > > > > > > Why? Because 99% of all Flash on the web is intrusive advertising that >can't > > > be turned off. As a result, a large and growing number of people >(including > > > myself) either refuse to have Flash on their machines or turn off >ActiveX > > > controls > > > in order to avoid all the advertising. > > > > > > We won't even get into the issue of visitors who don't have Flash >available for > > > their systems... > > > > > > Regardless, the new web site does look good (after I re-enabled >Flash). >The > > > extra new content is really great. > > > > > > D x _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:10:53 -0500 From: Buddy Brannan Subject: Re: edhead list How 'bout a non-Flash page for the Flash-impaired? (Flash plugin or no flash plugin...flash is a right royal pain in the ass for those of us who use either text browsers or are blind and use screen readers...we're Edheads, too) - -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV/3 | "And if the ground yawned, Phone: (814) 455-7333 | I'd step to the side and say, Email: davros@ycardz.com | "Hey ground! I'm nobody's lunch!" http://www.ycardz.com/ | --Eddie From Ohio ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:24:47 -0500 From: Scott Stanard Subject: [Fwd: edhead list] Return-Path: Received: from hopi.dtcc.edu ([138.123.60.220]) by opus.dtcc.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id H8VC9802.J23 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:22:20 -0500 Received: from college.dtcc.edu (w-300-07 [138.123.92.172]) by hopi.dtcc.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0HHMIx06750; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:22:18 -0500 Message-ID: <3E283BCA.96D60FB7@college.dtcc.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:22:18 -0500 From: Scott Stanard Organization: Delaware Technical & Community College X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Merullo Subject: Re: edhead list References: <3E28159C.B7CAE2A8@college.dtcc.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20030117093743.00a66800@pop-server.austin.rr.com > <3E282A9E.F4DB425D@college.dtcc.edu> <005501c2be44$57e600a0$b022af0a@WSBID01504> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Jim, I love what you said about Real Player: "Real Player is slightly less evil than, say, The Most Evil Thing You Can Possibly Imagine." My experience exactly!!! Scott ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Merullo wrote: > As long as we're providing feedback for the new site... > > First off, the site *looks* great. I like the new bios and the overall look > of the site. > > A couple of things: > > I agree about the Flash navigation. You're turning away a *lot* of > potential viewers. A website is a great tool to promote something and the > easier it is for people to view it the more useful it is. Flash is a great > tool for certain things but, in my opinion at least, site navigation isn't > one of them. > > Sound samples: Are mp3 samples possible? Real Player is slightly less evil > than, say, The Most Evil Thing You Can Possibly Imagine. > > Just some feedback. I do like the site and it's good to see the band > updating it. > > My $.02 > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Stanard" > To: "Dave Read" > Cc: "John Clem" ; "edhead list" > > Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 11:09 AM > Subject: Re: edhead list > > > I agree... I am not online at home, and while the system at work here is > quite > > decent and fast, if they don't have Flash (and they don't), or any other > item (like > > RealAudio) that requires a Plug-In, the network does not allow any > downloading like > > that, making it impossible. > > > > I bet the new site's really cool -- I just wish I could see it... > > > > Scott > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Dave Read wrote: > > > > > At 09:47 AM 1/17/2003 -0500, John Clem wrote: > > > >Note: The new web site is Flash-based programming. You need the Flash > > > >Plug-In to view the new site. > > > > > > IMO Flash is a terrible thing to do to a web site. It's OK to make light > use of > > > Flash, but to make the site navigable only through Flash -- or worse, to > make > > > all content on the site Flash-based, is a huge mistake. > > > > > > Why? Because 99% of all Flash on the web is intrusive advertising that > can't > > > be turned off. As a result, a large and growing number of people > (including > > > myself) either refuse to have Flash on their machines or turn off > ActiveX > > > controls > > > in order to avoid all the advertising. > > > > > > We won't even get into the issue of visitors who don't have Flash > available for > > > their systems... > > > > > > Regardless, the new web site does look good (after I re-enabled Flash). > The > > > extra new content is really great. > > > > > > D ------------------------------ End of edheads-digest V6 #12 ****************************