From: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com (edheads-digest) To: edheads-digest@smoe.org Subject: edheads-digest V5 #152 Reply-To: edheads@efohio.com Sender: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com Errors-To: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com Precedence: bulk edheads-digest Wednesday, July 10 2002 Volume 05 : Number 152 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Incurring the wrath of Edheads... ["Bertram Tunnell" ] Re: Incurring the wrath of Edheads... [Matthew Velazquez Subject: Incurring the wrath of Edheads... This should be a lively discussion... :) I have noticed that I have become a "live recording snob" of Eddie from Ohio. A lot of their studio work is well...too polished...almost to the point of synthetic. The balance is always perfect...it just doesn't sound right to my ears. A bit of what makes them special is missing...that spark, that soul...that possibility that at any moment, anything might happen. I don't know. It hurts to think that there is something I might not like about EFO. As the albums represent their bread and butter, well, I guess it is a necessary evil. Plus...the cow on the cover of fishbowl is just too darn cute. As I sit here listening to Fishbowl and thinking this over, I realize there are some songs of theirs that are better on the album than live...which begs the question: Which songs sound better where? I recommend a simple system. Any EFO song gets one of the three following grades to show which you like better: 1. Live 2. Album 3. Both I don't think we need a complete and all encompassing list of their songs here...just the ones where it is CLEARLY obvious that one medium is better than the other. Try to cap yourself at 10 unless you simply can't help it. Here is my short list: 1. Eddie's Concubine - Live (the tempo on Fishbowl is killing me) 2. Atlantic - Both 3. Minnesota 1945 - Album 4. Let's Get Mesolithic - Live 5. Moons of Jupiter - Live So...let the games begin. I look forward to what others think...on the macro and micro level. Bertram Tunnell NYC Edhead, and currently diligently at work on the "Virtually live" CD for all us Edheads. It is starting to sound really good...now I have to start on the cover art. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:07:11 -0700 (PDT) From: kristen@blondediva.com Subject: Re: Incurring the wrath of Edheads... The Three Fine Daughters of Farmer Brown: LIVE That's my input :) Kristen in California perishing at the thought of not getting my yearly live EFO fix :( ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:23:25 -0400 From: "Jim Merullo" Subject: Re: Incurring the wrath of Edheads... I don't like Mesolithic on the album (not because of the lyrics but because of the way it's sung) but I think it's a great live song. I can't get into the accapella songs much on the albums. I need to see them belted out live. But for the most part, I love the albums. The main reason I enjoy the shows more is for the between-song babble. They really should put out a comedy album. My $.02 Jim - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bertram Tunnell" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 11:53 AM Subject: Incurring the wrath of Edheads... > This should be a lively discussion... > > :) > > I have noticed that I have become a "live recording snob" of Eddie from > Ohio. A lot of their studio work is well...too polished...almost to the > point of synthetic. The balance is always perfect...it just doesn't sound > right to my ears. A bit of what makes them special is missing...that spark, > that soul...that possibility that at any moment, anything might happen. > > I don't know. It hurts to think that there is something I might not like > about EFO. As the albums represent their bread and butter, well, I guess it > is a necessary evil. Plus...the cow on the cover of fishbowl is just too > darn cute. > > As I sit here listening to Fishbowl and thinking this over, I realize there > are some songs of theirs that are better on the album than live...which begs > the question: > > Which songs sound better where? > > I recommend a simple system. Any EFO song gets one of the three following > grades to show which you like better: > > 1. Live > 2. Album > 3. Both > > I don't think we need a complete and all encompassing list of their songs > here...just the ones where it is CLEARLY obvious that one medium is better > than the other. Try to cap yourself at 10 unless you simply can't help it. > > Here is my short list: > 1. Eddie's Concubine - Live (the tempo on Fishbowl is killing me) > 2. Atlantic - Both > 3. Minnesota 1945 - Album > 4. Let's Get Mesolithic - Live > 5. Moons of Jupiter - Live > > So...let the games begin. I look forward to what others think...on the macro > and micro level. > > Bertram Tunnell > NYC Edhead, and currently diligently at work on the "Virtually live" CD for > all us Edheads. It is starting to sound really good...now I have to start on > the cover art. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:44:18 -0400 From: Ellen Buckley Subject: Re: Incurring the wrath of Edheads... Bertram Tunnell wrote: > Which songs sound better where? interesting discussion fodder, and i don't think you're going to incur any wrath. ;) i don't think i can make a list because my answer is that i like almost *everything* better live. and not just EFO. i mean everything in my music collection. i'm sure you could make a pretty solid connection between "what ellen likes" and "bands that tour heavily and put a lot into their live show," but whatever. i'm a live music junkie. tie me off, hand me my syringe (or, y'know... my ticket). it's usually better live, IMO. peace, ellen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:48:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew Velazquez Subject: Re: Incurring the wrath of Edheads... One of the things that really turned me on to EFO in the first place was the ability to belt out a tune live that's just *perfect*. The first CD I bought, recommended by a friend, was Actually Not. I thought they were good but not exceptional, until I got to the end of Fruited Plain. The song finished, people started clapping, and I thought "Whoooooooooaaaa, that was LIVE?!". And it's happened every show I've been to since. - -T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:03:25 -0400 From: "John Ryan" Subject: Re: Incurring the wrath of Edheads... I agree with you Ellen, most band are indeed better live, with a few exceptions. One of those exceptions happens to be Radiohead. Their studio albums are mesmerizing, but I found that when the sounds are played live, they sound a lot more repetitive and bland. Great band don't get me wrong, but their albums are works of art, and not the live show. But for most everyone else, the live show can't be beat. And yes, NOTHING beats Live Concubine. Only EFO can encite a mosh pit with that song. :P - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ellen Buckley To: Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 12:44 PM Subject: Re: Incurring the wrath of Edheads... > Bertram Tunnell wrote: > > > Which songs sound better where? > > interesting discussion fodder, and i don't think you're going to incur > any wrath. ;) i don't think i can make a list because my answer is that > i like almost *everything* better live. and not just EFO. i mean > everything in my music collection. i'm sure you could make a pretty > solid connection between "what ellen likes" and "bands that tour heavily > and put a lot into their live show," but whatever. i'm a live music > junkie. tie me off, hand me my syringe (or, y'know... my ticket). it's > usually better live, IMO. > > peace, > ellen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:13:22 -0400 From: "Marli Porth" Subject: Re: Incurring the wrath of Edheads... Live--- Concubine (esp Mike's faces), Hey Little Man (did anyone catch the Somerville Theater show a few months ago? AWESOME), Farmer Brown (nothing beats doin' the Dancing Joe in a crowd of people who've never seen EFO before and think you are just a crackhead who somehow got into the audience), Down to the River to Pray (is it just me or are they way better than the Alison Krauss version?), The Train Song, Tony and Cleo, Oh My Brother, Hojo's on Waukegan (esp when they rap on the bridge), This My Town, Irish Dream, 1000 Sarahs. I guess pretty much everything else is also good on the album. The comedy is what makes the live shows so great though---I would LOVE a comedy album! Marli Belle Porth | Senior Research Associate | Forrester Research | t: +1-617-613-6487 | f: +1-617-613-5487 l e: mporth@forrester.com | 400 Technology Square | Cambridge, MA 02139 Need a strategy to choose the best product for your portal project? Don't miss the 2002 Forrester TechRankings Summit: Building The Best Enterprise Portal, September 18-19, 2002, Salt Lake City, Utah http://www.forrester.com/Events/Overview/0,5158,498,00.html "Bertram Tunnell" Sent by: owner-edheads@efohio.com 07/10/02 11:53 AM To: edheads@efohio.com cc: Subject: Incurring the wrath of Edheads... This should be a lively discussion... :) I have noticed that I have become a "live recording snob" of Eddie from Ohio. A lot of their studio work is well...too polished...almost to the point of synthetic. The balance is always perfect...it just doesn't sound right to my ears. A bit of what makes them special is missing...that spark, that soul...that possibility that at any moment, anything might happen. I don't know. It hurts to think that there is something I might not like about EFO. As the albums represent their bread and butter, well, I guess it is a necessary evil. Plus...the cow on the cover of fishbowl is just too darn cute. As I sit here listening to Fishbowl and thinking this over, I realize there are some songs of theirs that are better on the album than live...which begs the question: Which songs sound better where? I recommend a simple system. Any EFO song gets one of the three following grades to show which you like better: 1. Live 2. Album 3. Both I don't think we need a complete and all encompassing list of their songs here...just the ones where it is CLEARLY obvious that one medium is better than the other. Try to cap yourself at 10 unless you simply can't help it. Here is my short list: 1. Eddie's Concubine - Live (the tempo on Fishbowl is killing me) 2. Atlantic - Both 3. Minnesota 1945 - Album 4. Let's Get Mesolithic - Live 5. Moons of Jupiter - Live So...let the games begin. I look forward to what others think...on the macro and micro level. Bertram Tunnell NYC Edhead, and currently diligently at work on the "Virtually live" CD for all us Edheads. It is starting to sound really good...now I have to start on the cover art. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ End of edheads-digest V5 #152 *****************************