From: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com (edheads-digest) To: edheads-digest@smoe.org Subject: edheads-digest V4 #206 Reply-To: edheads@efohio.com Sender: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com Errors-To: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com Precedence: bulk edheads-digest Tuesday, September 18 2001 Volume 04 : Number 206 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Lucy, Robbie and "Sahara" ["Rob Sullivan" ] Lucy, Robbie, and "Sahara" ["Rob Sullivan" ] Fwd: Great Day ["joseph murphy" ] OT: Observation [YourPalCM@aol.com] Re: September 11 [YourPalCM@aol.com] Re: Lucy & Robbie [Ellen Buckley ] Fwd: Re: September 11 [YourPalCM@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 00:59:03 -0500 From: "Rob Sullivan" Subject: Re: Lucy, Robbie and "Sahara" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 01:10:26 -0500 From: "Rob Sullivan" Subject: Lucy, Robbie, and "Sahara" Into the Wild is a great book. I've read it twice and I'll probably read it again. After reading the book, people are typically divided on whether they think Christopher McCandless is a hero or a complete idiot. Either way, it's sure to touch anyone who has even briefly considered what it would be like to abandon civilization. The first time I ever heard EFO play "Sahara" live was a few years ago at the Old Town School of Folk Music in Chicago. At the time, Robbie talked about reading and re-reading John Krakauer's original article in Outside magazine. If memory serves, he wrote Sahara the same night (I could be wrong about that though.) After getting a huge reader response to the article--including letters from people who'd met Christopher on his journey--Krakauer began the research that led to the book. EFO performed "Sahara" for Christopher's family several years ago. On a completely different note, if you're intrigued by the concept of living off the land as Christopher attempted in Alaska, read Tom Brown, Jr.'s books. When Tom was a young boy, he met Stalking Wolf (aka Grandfather), an Apache Indian who never lived in civilization. For over ten years, Tom spent every free day and weekend learning the ways of the Apache scouts. His books are absolutely fabulous--as are the courses that Tom runs at his tracking, nature, and wilderness survival school (www.trackerschool.com). I've read 12 of Tom's books and taken two of his classes. I simply can't say enough about him. My favorite books by Tom Brown, Jr. are Awakening Spirits, Grandfather, The Search, and The Vision. - -------- Original message: I was at this show, too; I agree it was exactly what we all needed. I also made the EFO connection when Ellis Paul introduced his song -- I hadn't really realized the background of "Sahara," and tho I'd seen Into the Wild on the shelves back when I worked at Waldenbooks, I'd never read it. Now I'm intrigued. Has anyone here read it? What did you think? Inquiring Careys want to know. :) Carey ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 07:33:24 -0400 From: "joseph murphy" Subject: Fwd: Great Day Hi: I thought that you all might be interested in the email I just received from my great-neice. PAX VOBISCUM & AMDG GOD BLESS AMERICA Joe >From: "Victoria Ekstrand" >To: jbmurph@hotmail.com >Subject: Great Day >Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 19:59:56 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [207.69.200.57] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBD6FDA2A008E4136E81FCF45C8391FA90; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 17:02:56 -0700 >Received: from [165.247.131.15] (user-2ivf0of.dialup.mindspring.com >[165.247.131.15])by mclean.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id >UAA06583for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 20:02:54 -0400 (EDT) >From vekstrand@mindspring.com Mon, 17 Sep 2001 18:11:19 -0700 >Message-Id: <200109180002.UAA06583@mclean.mail.mindspring.net> >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) >X-Priority: 3 > >Dear Uncle Joey: > >I was at a wedding this Saturday in Greensboro and the bride and groom >entered to "Great Day!" (They come with me to all the EFO concerts in >Carrboro.) > >Please tell Julie that this song has been so uplifting in light of >everything in the past week.... > >much love, >Tori > >------------------- >Tori Smith Ekstrand >Park Fellow, Ph.D. Program >School of Journalism and Mass Communication >University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill >CB 3365 Carroll Hall, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 08:27:49 EDT From: YourPalCM@aol.com Subject: OT: Observation What I find comical is that I'm on four different e-discussion lists for musical groups and all of them are filling my mailbox with bickering over how someone said something that some thought was uncalled for. I'm not sure what my point is, I just find it curious. (For the record, this is NOT a complaint about off-topic mail, I'm just making an observation.) Your Pal, Chris Mal ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 08:36:05 EDT From: YourPalCM@aol.com Subject: Re: September 11 Question though...(and I apologize in advance for my ignorance. Not that it's an excuse, but I think I'm like most Americans in that I haven't paid nearly as much attention to what has been going on outside of the U.S. as I should have - until now, of course.)...When we aided Afghanistan in their fight against the former Soviet Union, is it not true that Bin Laden was not IN Afghanistan and the Taliban had not essentially taken control of the Afghani government? If that is the case, that the Taliban was not in Afghanistan during the Soviet conflict, isn't the outrage that we aided Afghanistan in the past and now they are our enemy kind of off-base? Your Pal, Chris Mal In a message dated Mon, 17 Sep 2001 10:50:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "steve roane" writes: > Part of the problem with US foreign policy in Afghanistan is that the US > trained Bin Laden when we needed him to fight the Soviets and then when the > Soviets left, we left the Afghani rebels high and dry to pick up the pieces > of their fractured country. This laid many of the seeds of hate we see > today. Unfortunately this is par for the course with US foreign policy and > is the reason for so much anti-American sentiment around the globe--we do > not follow through on things in which we get involved. We have made many > diplomatic mistakes which are coming back to haunt us, and it's time we > realize that like it or not, the US has to be involved internationally and > stick with committments that we make. > > Steve > > > >From: "Ron Rosen" > >To: > >Subject: Re: September 11 > >Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 19:00:19 -0700 > > > >Jennifer wrote: > > > > > Now I have to speak up. In the last week I have felt more patriotic to > >the > > > USA then I ever imagined possible, but it's hard for me to forget that > >one > > > of the nations America has so generously armed is Afghanistan by way of > > > Pakistan. I don't think the Taliban was in existence at the time, but I > >do > > > think it's possible that we helped to fuel the extremist terrorist fire > >in > > > the east. > > > >Jennifer - Unfortunately history and politics make strange bedfellows. > >Nations > >respond to particular situations that they believe are in their interests > >at > >particular moments. The US supported Afghanistan because it was fighting > >off the > >Russians, whom we had an interest in containing back in the 1980s. The US > >did not > >know that the Taliban would take over. Israel, who is no friend of the > >Iranian > >Ayatollah regime, supported Iran in the Iran - Iraq war because they needed > >Iranian > >oil and because they see Iraq as a greater threat than Iraq. Nations are > >always > >supporting countries that they don't like in particular situations. The > >Terrorist > >Fire is fueled by the fact that Moslem fundamentalists hate the West and > >all its > >values. At bottom, it's not because of what America does or has done in > >particular > >situations. It's because of what we are. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 09:19:09 -0400 From: Ellen Buckley Subject: Re: Lucy & Robbie Carey Farrell wrote: > I was at this show, too; I agree it was exactly what we all needed. I also > made the EFO connection when Ellis Paul introduced his song -- I hadn't > really realized the background of "Sahara," and tho I'd seen Into the Wild > on the shelves back when I worked at Waldenbooks, I'd never read it. Now I'm > intrigued. Has anyone here read it? What did you think? Inquiring Careys > want to know. :) it's a pretty good read. if nothing else, it's a fascinating story. as someone who enjoys camping and backpacking and such, i found it frustrating in a lot of ways, but that has more to do with the choices chris m made and less to do with the book. =) as he is wont to do when he has no first-hand experience of a story (and since there was no chris mccandless to speak for himself anymore), krakauer gives you a lot of What Jon Krakauer Thinks about what was going through chris's mind during the events of the story. this got on my nerves occasionally. but otherwise, i liked the book a lot. something i've always wondered is, given their ages and hometowns, did robbie (or any other EFO member) actually know chris m. i suspect not, but i've never heard robbie say much about the song. it's not like it would change the song at all, but it would be interesting to know. peace, ellen - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it. - -from The Washington Post's Style Invitational ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 10:03:04 EDT From: YourPalCM@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Re: September 11 I think Eric meant for this to go to the whole list... ************************ Return-Path: Received: from rly-ye05.mx.aol.com (rly-ye05.mail.aol.com [172.18.151.202]) by air-ye01.mail.aol.com (v80.27) with ESMTP id MAILINYE19-0918094701; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 09:47:01 -0400 Received: from marlin.bio.umass.edu (marlin.bio.umass.edu [128.119.55.19]) by rly-ye05.mx.aol.com (v80.21) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYE59-0918094556; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 09:45:56 -0400 Received: from [128.119.54.70] (zg4 [128.119.54.70]) by marlin.bio.umass.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f8IDjs312415 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 09:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: erici@marlin.bio.umass.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 09:54:50 -0400 To: YourPalCM@aol.com From: Eric Iannacone Subject: Re: September 11 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi As far as I know Chris is correct. I believe that Bin Laden was still in Saudi Arabia at the time we were supporting the Afghan resistance. I recall hearing, on the news, that what pushed him over the edge was the presence of American troops in Suadi Arabia during the gulf war conflict. I cannot comment as to when the Talleban came into power but it was after the war with the former Soviet Union. There are still forces in Afghanistan that violently oppose the Talleban, and one can only hope that that country will come under the leadership of more levels heads in the years to come. I wish that I knew more about the political history of the region. Unfortunately I was too busy learning algebra to pay attention to foreign policy in the early 80s. Perhaps no amount of diplomacy would subdue a "nut case" like Bin Laden. Eric Iannacone >Question though...(and I apologize in advance for my ignorance. Not that >it's an excuse, but I think I'm like most Americans in that I haven't paid >nearly as much attention to what has been going on outside of the U.S. as >I should have - until now, of course.)...When we aided Afghanistan in >their fight against the former Soviet Union, is it not true that Bin Laden >was not IN Afghanistan and the Taliban had not essentially taken control >of the Afghani government? If that is the case, that the Taliban was not >in Afghanistan during the Soviet conflict, isn't the outrage that we aided >Afghanistan in the past and now they are our enemy kind of off-base? > >Your Pal, >Chris Mal > > > >In a message dated Mon, 17 Sep 2001 10:50:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >"steve roane" writes: > >> Part of the problem with US foreign policy in Afghanistan is that the US >> trained Bin Laden when we needed him to fight the Soviets and then when the >> Soviets left, we left the Afghani rebels high and dry to pick up the pieces >> of their fractured country. This laid many of the seeds of hate we see >> today. Unfortunately this is par for the course with US foreign policy and >> is the reason for so much anti-American sentiment around the globe--we do >> not follow through on things in which we get involved. We have made many >> diplomatic mistakes which are coming back to haunt us, and it's time we >> realize that like it or not, the US has to be involved internationally and >> stick with committments that we make. >> >> Steve >> >> >> >From: "Ron Rosen" >> >To: >> >Subject: Re: September 11 >> >Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 19:00:19 -0700 >> > >> >Jennifer wrote: >> > >> > > Now I have to speak up. In the last week I have felt more >>patriotic to >> >the >> > > USA then I ever imagined possible, but it's hard for me to forget that >> >one >> > > of the nations America has so generously armed is Afghanistan by way of >> > > Pakistan. I don't think the Taliban was in existence at the time, >>but I >> >do >> > > think it's possible that we helped to fuel the extremist terrorist fire >> >in >> > > the east. >> > >> >Jennifer - Unfortunately history and politics make strange bedfellows. >> >Nations >> >respond to particular situations that they believe are in their interests >> >at >> >particular moments. The US supported Afghanistan because it was fighting >> >off the >> >Russians, whom we had an interest in containing back in the 1980s. The US >> >did not >> >know that the Taliban would take over. Israel, who is no friend of the >> >Iranian >> >Ayatollah regime, supported Iran in the Iran - Iraq war because they >>needed >> >Iranian >> >oil and because they see Iraq as a greater threat than Iraq. Nations are >> >always >> >supporting countries that they don't like in particular situations. The >> >Terrorist >> >Fire is fueled by the fact that Moslem fundamentalists hate the West and >> >all its >> >values. At bottom, it's not because of what America does or has done in >> >particular >> >situations. It's because of what we are. >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of edheads-digest V4 #206 *****************************