From: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com (edheads-digest) To: edheads-digest@smoe.org Subject: edheads-digest V4 #205 Reply-To: edheads@efohio.com Sender: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com Errors-To: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com Precedence: bulk edheads-digest Tuesday, September 18 2001 Volume 04 : Number 205 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: September 11 ["Ron Rosen" ] Re: September 11 (in defense of Shawn) ["Ron Rosen" ] Re: Lucy & Robbie ["Carey Farrell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 19:00:19 -0700 From: "Ron Rosen" Subject: Re: September 11 Jennifer wrote: > Now I have to speak up. In the last week I have felt more patriotic to the > USA then I ever imagined possible, but it's hard for me to forget that one > of the nations America has so generously armed is Afghanistan by way of > Pakistan. I don't think the Taliban was in existence at the time, but I do > think it's possible that we helped to fuel the extremist terrorist fire in > the east. Jennifer - Unfortunately history and politics make strange bedfellows. Nations respond to particular situations that they believe are in their interests at particular moments. The US supported Afghanistan because it was fighting off the Russians, whom we had an interest in containing back in the 1980s. The US did not know that the Taliban would take over. Israel, who is no friend of the Iranian Ayatollah regime, supported Iran in the Iran - Iraq war because they needed Iranian oil and because they see Iraq as a greater threat than Iraq. Nations are always supporting countries that they don't like in particular situations. The Terrorist Fire is fueled by the fact that Moslem fundamentalists hate the West and all its values. At bottom, it's not because of what America does or has done in particular situations. It's because of what we are. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 19:42:48 -0700 From: "Ron Rosen" Subject: Re: September 11 (in defense of Shawn) > I think that separately both of these messages below contain valid > points, but to directly rebutt what Kristin has posted in such a manner is > uncalled for. I think what's uncalled for is commenting on the style in which posts are presented rather than their contents. You cannot imagine hostile it comes across. It's a complete changing of the subject from what's important to the writer to what's not important to the writer. It also smacks of the PC Thought Control that you will hear me railing against as often as I see it. Address what the posters wrote, not that they didn't sugar coat it according to the rules that paper the inside of your mind. Kudos to Shawn McCausland for making a clear post addressing the issues. Kudos to Steve Roane for recognizing that getting up in arms because two people disagree is exactly the weakness of our culture that these terrorists prey on. This is exactly what I've been trying to convey for the last couple days. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 22:48:36 -0400 From: "steve roane" Subject: Re: September 11 Part of the problem with US foreign policy in Afghanistan is that the US trained Bin Laden when we needed him to fight the Soviets and then when the Soviets left, we left the Afghani rebels high and dry to pick up the pieces of their fractured country. This laid many of the seeds of hate we see today. Unfortunately this is par for the course with US foreign policy and is the reason for so much anti-American sentiment around the globe--we do not follow through on things in which we get involved. We have made many diplomatic mistakes which are coming back to haunt us, and it's time we realize that like it or not, the US has to be involved internationally and stick with committments that we make. Steve >From: "Ron Rosen" >To: >Subject: Re: September 11 >Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 19:00:19 -0700 > >Jennifer wrote: > > > Now I have to speak up. In the last week I have felt more patriotic to >the > > USA then I ever imagined possible, but it's hard for me to forget that >one > > of the nations America has so generously armed is Afghanistan by way of > > Pakistan. I don't think the Taliban was in existence at the time, but I >do > > think it's possible that we helped to fuel the extremist terrorist fire >in > > the east. > >Jennifer - Unfortunately history and politics make strange bedfellows. >Nations >respond to particular situations that they believe are in their interests >at >particular moments. The US supported Afghanistan because it was fighting >off the >Russians, whom we had an interest in containing back in the 1980s. The US >did not >know that the Taliban would take over. Israel, who is no friend of the >Iranian >Ayatollah regime, supported Iran in the Iran - Iraq war because they needed >Iranian >oil and because they see Iraq as a greater threat than Iraq. Nations are >always >supporting countries that they don't like in particular situations. The >Terrorist >Fire is fueled by the fact that Moslem fundamentalists hate the West and >all its >values. At bottom, it's not because of what America does or has done in >particular >situations. It's because of what we are. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 03:46:10 +0000 From: "Carey Farrell" Subject: Re: Lucy & Robbie Jeff Wade wrote: >I had a very interesting experience Saturday when I saw Lucy Kaplansky. She >put on a fantastic show and it was exactly what everyone needed. There was >a >EFO connection made when Ellis Paul, who opened for Lucy, sang a song about >Chris McCandless. He said he had recently read Into the Wild. It made me >think of Robbie who of course wrote Sahara. I might mention it to Robbie if >I >get a chance at the Warner Theater show next month. Take care everyone! I was at this show, too; I agree it was exactly what we all needed. I also made the EFO connection when Ellis Paul introduced his song -- I hadn't really realized the background of "Sahara," and tho I'd seen Into the Wild on the shelves back when I worked at Waldenbooks, I'd never read it. Now I'm intrigued. Has anyone here read it? What did you think? Inquiring Careys want to know. :) Carey _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of edheads-digest V4 #205 *****************************