From: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com (edheads-digest) To: edheads-digest@smoe.org Subject: edheads-digest V4 #184 Reply-To: edheads@efohio.com Sender: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com Errors-To: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com Precedence: bulk edheads-digest Tuesday, September 4 2001 Volume 04 : Number 184 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Nerissa & Katryna Nields at the Lancaster Coffeehouse [Primecity@aol.com] Re: Tom Burleigh ["Liam Sullivan" ] Harpers Ferry ["Darren E. Drury" ] Re: Tom Burleigh [Ellen Buckley ] Re: Tom Burleigh [CCRIWELLS@aol.com] Fwd: Re: Tom Burleigh [Clay Chilcoat ] Re: Fwd: Re: Tom Burleigh ["Liam Sullivan" ] Tom Burleigh' Dead [tallwoods@earthlink.net] Re: Tom Burleigh ["Jim Merullo" ] Let's change the subject! [Sarah Withanh ] Re: Tom Burleigh [Nicole Carlson ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 14:19:44 EDT From: Primecity@aol.com Subject: Nerissa & Katryna Nields at the Lancaster Coffeehouse I just spoke to the folks at the Lancaster Coffeehouse in Lancaster, MA and they informed me that the door tix price for the Nerissa & Katryna Nields show is $18 (vs. $15 advance.) This seems a little unfair to those of you that are coming a distance because you cannot purchase tix by phone with a credit card. These nice folks have decided to give me permission to issue a coupon for the show which will allow you to purchase the door ticket at the advance price of $15. Please print and bring the coupon below to the Lancaster show this Saturday. For concert Info: 978-365-2043. :-) Patty * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * LANCASTER COFFEEHOUSE Presents N E R I S S A & K A T R Y N A N I E L D S September 8th, 2001 $3 OFF DOOR PRICE (YOU PAY $15) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 14:38:51 -0400 From: "Liam Sullivan" Subject: Re: Tom Burleigh I always find it strange how Robbie introduces "Tom Burleigh's Dead" as being about the first non-slave killed in John Brown's raid, as if a slave's death is insignificant. At any rate, the first person killed in the raid was Hayward Shepherd, who although black was actually a free man and worked as a baggage handler at the train station. There's a good timeline of events at Harper's Ferry at http://johnbrownsbody.net/Ferry_Raid.htm although unfortunately it doesn't mention a Tom Burleigh. Harper's Ferry is a fascinating event in America's history worth further study. The town is also a beautiful place to visit with a great National Park (although the John Brown waxwork is scary). - -Liam _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 14:55:32 -0400 From: "Darren E. Drury" Subject: Harpers Ferry Just thought I would add this little side note to the Harpers Ferry discussions. 2 weeks ago before my 10 year old son started 4th grade, I took him camping for a few days. Of course I had the Quick cd in the portable player and we listened to it quite a bit. He is also a big EFO fan. You know how those songs stay in your head days after you stop hearing them. Well, he started his first day of school and they threw a pop quiz on the class to see what they knew. One of the questions asked in what small town was John Brown executed, or something like that. Well, he had not yet studied about that event, but I had explained to him about what happened at Harpers Ferry while we were listening to the song. Turns out, he was the only one in the class to get the question correct and he told me it was because he started singing Tom Burleigh's dead in his head and remembered the words. Just another example of EFO 's contribution to education... Darren E. Drury Technical Services James Madison University druryde@jmu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 15:10:49 -0400 From: Ellen Buckley Subject: Re: Tom Burleigh Liam Sullivan wrote: > > I always find it strange how Robbie introduces "Tom Burleigh's Dead" as > being about the first non-slave killed in John Brown's raid, as if a slave's > death is insignificant. hmm. i've never heard that implication in the intro. i think the point of the story is that he was the first person-who-had-nothing-to-do-with-the-raid that was killed. it's a unique story b/c he was sort of an innocent bystander. not one of the people taking part in the raid. i.e. there were prolly a lot of slaves killed in the raid, but tom burleigh was the first person killed who wasn't one of them. peace, ellen - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it. - -from The Washington Post's Style Invitational ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:08:30 EDT From: CCRIWELLS@aol.com Subject: Re: Tom Burleigh Well, he wasn't even shot in the head! But the bullet just missed his family jewels! and the end result was the same. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 15:46:20 -0400 From: Clay Chilcoat Subject: Fwd: Re: Tom Burleigh >At 02:38 PM 9/4/01 -0400, you wrote: > >>I always find it strange how Robbie introduces "Tom Burleigh's Dead" as >>being about the first non-slave killed in John Brown's raid, as if a >>slave's death is insignificant. > >I imagine that Robbie introduces the song that way because to say "this >song is about the 47th person to be killed in John Brown's raid" would >sound kinda stupid. > >> At any rate, the first person killed in the raid was Hayward Shepherd, >> who although black was actually a free man and worked as a baggage >> handler at the train station. There's a good timeline of events at >> Harper's Ferry at http://johnbrownsbody.net/Ferry_Raid.htm although >> unfortunately it doesn't mention a Tom Burleigh. Harper's Ferry is a >> fascinating event in America's history worth further study. > >No, Harper's Ferry is a town. John Brown's raid is a fascinating event in >America's history worth further study. > >> The town is also a beautiful place to visit with a great National Park >> (although the John Brown waxwork is scary). >>-Liam > >Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, > >Clay Chilcoat ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 17:24:12 -0400 From: "Liam Sullivan" Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Tom Burleigh Actually it's just more of an historical accuracy thing. Hayward Shepherd was the first person killed in the raid and he was not a slave, therefore the very first person killed in the raid was a non-slave. Also, Shepherd was a baggage handler not an insurgent, therefore he's also the first innocent bystander. So it just sounds odd to say the song's about the first non-slave killed in the raid when it's not true nor does it add anything to the song. They could just introduce it as Julie's ancestor killed in the raid. - -Liam - ----Original Message Follows---- From: Clay Chilcoat To: edheads@efohio.com Subject: Fwd: Re: Tom Burleigh Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 15:46:20 -0400 >At 02:38 PM 9/4/01 -0400, you wrote: > >>I always find it strange how Robbie introduces "Tom Burleigh's Dead" as >>being about the first non-slave killed in John Brown's raid, as if a >>slave's death is insignificant. > >I imagine that Robbie introduces the song that way because to say "this >song is about the 47th person to be killed in John Brown's raid" would >sound kinda stupid. > >> At any rate, the first person killed in the raid was Hayward Shepherd, >>who although black was actually a free man and worked as a baggage >>handler at the train station. There's a good timeline of events at >>Harper's Ferry at http://johnbrownsbody.net/Ferry_Raid.htm although >>unfortunately it doesn't mention a Tom Burleigh. Harper's Ferry is a >>fascinating event in America's history worth further study. > >No, Harper's Ferry is a town. John Brown's raid is a fascinating event in >America's history worth further study. > >> The town is also a beautiful place to visit with a great National Park >>(although the John Brown waxwork is scary). >>-Liam > >Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, > >Clay Chilcoat _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:38:19 -0400 From: tallwoods@earthlink.net Subject: Tom Burleigh' Dead The song about Tom Burleigh, is historically accurate for the most part, and he was the great-great grandfather of Julie's. But, the band found out after recording the song, that Tom was actually shot through the groin--it may have made for some even funnier lyrics--Oh Well! Peace, Wazzy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:40:10 -0400 From: "Jim Merullo" Subject: Re: Tom Burleigh - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liam Sullivan" > I always find it strange how Robbie introduces "Tom Burleigh's Dead" as > being about the first non-slave killed in John Brown's raid, as if a slave's > death is insignificant. What do you expect from a band that promotes spouse abuse and sexism? Jim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:12:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Sarah Withanh Subject: Let's change the subject! So, who's going to the Bay Area California shows on Oct 6th and 7th? I'm looking to meet up with any of yous California guys (I *know* there are at least 2) at the Berkeley show on the 7th, as my boyfriend has stated that he doesn't want to go with me to both shows. I'm so excited, I can finally get my concert fix! - -sarah in Mountain View, CA ===== *** sarah with an h *** sarahrobeson at yahoo dot com Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:18:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Nicole Carlson Subject: Re: Tom Burleigh On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, Jim Merullo wrote: > some battle (I seem to recall it being a slave revolt) in Harper's Ferry. IIRC, the idea was to start a slave revolt (Brown was inspired by Nat Turner's Rebellion, some twenty years previously, in which slaves *had* risen up against owners), but Brown didn't get the manpower he was counting on. No one's even sure how many slaves did join Brown. - --nicole "John Brown's body lies a-mouldering in the grave" twn *** "You're a dangerously disturbed woman, Nicole."--security professor Visit Nicolopolis! http://wwwcsif.cs.ucdavis.edu/~carlsonn nmcarlson@ucdavis.edu ana.ng@tmbg.org carlsonn@seclab.cs.ucdavis.edu ------------------------------ End of edheads-digest V4 #184 *****************************