From: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com (edheads-digest) To: edheads-digest@smoe.org Subject: edheads-digest V4 #163 Reply-To: edheads@efohio.com Sender: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com Errors-To: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com Precedence: bulk edheads-digest Thursday, August 2 2001 Volume 04 : Number 163 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Mesolithic (was Re:My Quick Review) ["Liam Sullivan" ] Re: The Tortilla Curtain [Nicole Carlson ] Re: The Tortilla Curtain ["Nicole Ryan" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 16:46:31 -0400 From: "Liam Sullivan" Subject: Re: Mesolithic (was Re:My Quick Review) >Since when has folk music ever laid claim to being 100% original with every >song? The very basis of folk music is that it borrows from common >stories,myths, events, and jokes that all "folk" can understand. Agreed. Except that if you hear a joke a million times, you're not going to laugh the millionth and first time you hear the joke. Especially when it comes from a source known for it's highly original wit and humor, who are known for looking things from a different angle (Think "A Very Fine Funeral," "The Bridge," "No Left Turns in Jersey," and "Eddie's Concubine," which all put a uniquely EFO humorous twist into familiar situations) >You also misinterpret the narrative voice if you honestly believe that the >song promotes domestic violence. Where have I written that I believe the song promotes domestic violence? I said the song MAKES LIGHT OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE in a way the I DON'T FIND HUMOROUS. For the third time, I write: I don't find this song OFFENSIVE, nor do I believe MIKE INTENDED ANY HARM, I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S FUNNY. I apologize if the capitals make it looks as if I am shouting, I just want to make my point clear. This is the last I will be commenting on "Let's Get Mesolithic" as I believe I have said all I can on the topic. To those who have discussed this song with me and offered me insight into your feelings and opinions on the song, I thank you for the mature debate. To those who have chosen to be antagonistic, twist my words around, and try to stiffle debate, I can only say I've treated you with the courtesy and respect that I believe everyone deserves and if you are too immature to carry on a civil conversation then it only reflects poorly on yourself. - -Liam _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:48:17 -0400 From: "Nicole Ryan" Subject: The Tortilla Curtain I must say, Candido and America is far better than the song on which it was based, _in my humble opinion_. (that added to ward off random flames ;-) ). It built up to the point that I could not put it down, then left me hanging. This makes me most displeased, but such is life. I do however like the fact that I can put a face to Candido and his young wife.. :) And I understand why they say what they do... I won't even touch the Mesolithic debate-- Too many emails on it already today :) ta! - --- Nicole Ryan - --- galebird@earthlink.net - --- "You may only be one person in the world, but you are the world to one person" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 17:19:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Nicole Carlson Subject: Re: The Tortilla Curtain On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Nicole Ryan wrote: > I must say, Candido and America is far better than the song on which it was > based, _in my humble opinion_. (that added to ward off random flames ;-) ). It > built up to the point that I could not put it down, then left me hanging. This > makes me most displeased, but such is life. You know, I think TC Boyle was very consciously trying for a modern Grapes Of Wrath, and the ending is a nearly perfect parallel. (Really, the only difference between Rose of Sharon Joad and America Rincon is that America's husband sticks around.) I thought GoW ended abruptly, too, until I thought about it and realized that Steinbeck's point was made by then, and anything after that would be anticlimactic. He just graphically showed how a young woman who'd just suffered a shattering loss still managed to reach out to someone worse off than herself. It's a powerful example of a theme Steinbeck had been developing throughout the book--the dignity and generosity of the have-nots compared to the haves. OK, enough lit crit for me today. Back to coding... :) - --nicole twn *** "Just because you're floating doesn't mean you haven't drowned."--They Might Be Giants Visit Nicolopolis! http://wwwcsif.cs.ucdavis.edu/~carlsonn nmcarlson@ucdavis.edu ana.ng@tmbg.org carlsonn@seclab.cs.ucdavis.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 20:43:31 -0400 From: "Nicole Ryan" Subject: Re: The Tortilla Curtain Okay, I can understand what he was trying for, but I just wanted the closure... I am a huge fan of that. :) But I am still glad that I did try the book, and things make more sense. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Nicole Carlson To: Cc: edheads@efohio.com Sent: 8/1/01 8:19:05 PM Subject: Re: The Tortilla Curtain On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Nicole Ryan wrote: I must say, Candido and America is far better than the song on which it was based, _in my humble opinion_. (that added to ward off random flames ;-) ). It built up to the point that I could not put it down, then left me hanging. This makes me most displeased, but such is life. You know, I think TC Boyle was very consciously trying for a modern Grapes Of Wrath, and the ending is a nearly perfect parallel. (Really, the only difference between Rose of Sharon Joad and America Rincon is that America's husband sticks around.) I thought GoW ended abruptly, too, until I thought about it and realized that Steinbeck's point was made by then, and anything after that would be anticlimactic. He just graphically showed how a young woman who'd just suffered a shattering loss still managed to reach out to someone worse off than herself. It's a powerful example of a theme Steinbeck had been developing throughout the book--the dignity and generosity of the have-nots compared to the haves. OK, enough lit crit for me today. Back to coding... :) - --nicole twn *** "Just because you're floating doesn't mean you haven't drowned."--They Might Be Giants Visit Nicolopolis! http://wwwcsif.cs.ucdavis.edu/~carlsonn - --- Nicole Ryan - --- galebird@earthlink.net - --- "You may only be one person in the world, but you are the world to one person" ------------------------------ End of edheads-digest V4 #163 *****************************