From: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com (edheads-digest) To: edheads-digest@smoe.org Subject: edheads-digest V4 #161 Reply-To: edheads@efohio.com Sender: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com Errors-To: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com Precedence: bulk edheads-digest Wednesday, August 1 2001 Volume 04 : Number 161 Today's Subjects: ----------------- abraham ["Snow, Stephanie" ] Re: Mesolithic (was Re:My Quick Review) ["Liam Sullivan" ] RE: Mesolithic (was Re:My Quick Review) ["Cryan, Lauren B" Subject: abraham Hi folks, New to the list, loved reading all the commentary about Wolf Trap and Falcon Ridge, as well as the reviews and debate about Quick. No one has mentioned the track Abraham, and I was wondering what folks thought about it. I found it to be pretty intense. I also really liked the instrumental Cantering on Fool that follows it - thought it was a nice transition. Other thoughts, opinions? - -Steph ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 11:41:46 -0400 From: "Liam Sullivan" Subject: Re: Mesolithic (was Re:My Quick Review) Same song. The caveman jokes are the same jokes that were made in comic strips and songs during the Roosevelt administration, not to mention the Flintstones. The male-female relationship jokes are also older than dirt. This song shows none of the wit and humor one would expect from an Eddie from Ohio song. And yes, there are references to domestic violence in this song "I can drag you by your hair," "I need a submissive woman I can hold under my thumb," "I can really take a punch." If you lived next door to a couple and the man was dragging the woman by the hair, holding her down, and punching her, would you call the police? There are certain things such as rape, genocide, and domestic violence, that try as you might, you just can't make funny. I don't think the song's offensive or that Mike intended any harm, I just think it's a bad song. - -Liam >From: Andrew Bray >To: edheads@efohio.com >Subject: Mesolithic (was Re:My Quick Review) >Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 14:46:26 -0700 (PDT) > >I don't mean to club (no pun intended) your opinion of >Mesolithic, but if when you hear that song, you hear >domestic violence jokes - you are really missing a >funny and very witty commentary on the complexity of >modern male-female relationships. > >(I wonder if we are talking about the same band and >song?) > >--- Liam Sullivan wrote: > > > That's part of the reason I can't get into > > "Mesolithic." I just don't find > > jokes about domestic violence funny. And the rest > > of the song is just old, > > recycled caveman jokes, not original EFO wit & > > humor. > > > > -Liam > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 11:49:36 -0400 From: "Liam Sullivan" Subject: Re: abraham Welcome to the listserv. I like "Abraham" more & more each time I listen to it. It's a good introspective and thought-provoking tune (I still haven't figured out what it's "about" and probably never will). And it has a nice melody too. "Cantering on Fool" is a good experiment with different instrumental effects. I wonder if they can play that live, because I'd like to hear it. - -Liam >From: "Snow, Stephanie" >To: "'edheads@efohio.com'" >Subject: abraham >Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 10:51:17 -0400 > >Hi folks, > >New to the list, loved reading all the commentary about Wolf Trap and >Falcon >Ridge, as well as the reviews and debate about Quick. No one has mentioned >the track Abraham, and I was wondering what folks thought about it. I >found >it to be pretty intense. I also really liked the instrumental Cantering on >Fool that follows it - thought it was a nice transition. Other thoughts, >opinions? > >-Steph _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 12:16:14 -0400 From: "Cryan, Lauren B" Subject: RE: Mesolithic (was Re:My Quick Review) I especially love the beat and melodyI Also, I find the song refreshing considering the wave of "PCism" that seems to have stifled humorous expression over the last few years. I'm tired of people in general getting offended by what other people say, or in this case write. I worry that Mike will stop cracking jokes on stage if too many people find his jokes/song lyrics offensive. I love Mike's humor and I hope he continues to crack me up (and others) with his funny, sometimes un-PC Clemisms. I don't really care how old the jokes are, they are still funny to me, especially "...instead of filing jointly we'll just gather sticks and rocks." Lauren > -----Original Message----- > From: Liam Sullivan [SMTP:sleibhtean@hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11:42 > To: ashley20543@yahoo.com; edheads@efohio.com > Subject: Re: Mesolithic (was Re:My Quick Review) > > Same song. The caveman jokes are the same jokes that were made in comic > strips and songs during the Roosevelt administration, not to mention the > Flintstones. The male-female relationship jokes are also older than dirt. > > This song shows none of the wit and humor one would expect from an Eddie > from Ohio song. And yes, there are references to domestic violence in > this > song "I can drag you by your hair," "I need a submissive woman I can hold > under my thumb," "I can really take a punch." If you lived next door to a > > couple and the man was dragging the woman by the hair, holding her down, > and > punching her, would you call the police? There are certain things such as > > rape, genocide, and domestic violence, that try as you might, you just > can't > make funny. I don't think the song's offensive or that Mike intended any > harm, I just think it's a bad song. > > -Liam > > >From: Andrew Bray > >To: edheads@efohio.com > >Subject: Mesolithic (was Re:My Quick Review) > >Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 14:46:26 -0700 (PDT) > > > >I don't mean to club (no pun intended) your opinion of > >Mesolithic, but if when you hear that song, you hear > >domestic violence jokes - you are really missing a > >funny and very witty commentary on the complexity of > >modern male-female relationships. > > > >(I wonder if we are talking about the same band and > >song?) > > > >--- Liam Sullivan wrote: > > > > > That's part of the reason I can't get into > > > "Mesolithic." I just don't find > > > jokes about domestic violence funny. And the rest > > > of the song is just old, > > > recycled caveman jokes, not original EFO wit & > > > humor. > > > > > > -Liam > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 12:59:10 -0400 From: "Jim Merullo" Subject: Re: Mesolithic (was Re:My Quick Review) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liam Sullivan" >There are certain things such as > rape, genocide, and domestic violence, that try as you might, you just can't > make funny. Have you seen "Life is Beautiful?", "Blazing Saddles", or "The Honeymooners?" I see what you mean though. There are all sorts of topics that just shouldn't be joked about. For example: Infidelity (Eddie's Concubine) Murder (Eddie's Concubine) Capital Punishment (Smoke) Jesus endorsing the tobacco companies (smoke) Dead little girls (Three Fine Daughters of Farmer Brown) Stalking (Thirty Second Love Affair) Suicide (The Bridge) Husband Abuse (Rolling Pin) Etc... What else has this horribly insensitive band, Eddie From Ohio (as if they're really from Ohio...) joked about? Humor can, and should, be found in everything. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 13:04:01 -0400 From: "F. Tarek Rogers" Subject: Re: Mesolithic (was Re:My Quick Review) Wow, it's always interesting to see how people interpret lyrics. Having said that - this is *my* interpretation, and is not any more 'correct' than Liam's. The only person who can have a more correct view is Mike ;) While I have to agree the caveman jokes are old, I still find the comparison to modern relationships an amusing twist. But the Domestic violence undertone... I just don't see it. Pulling by the hair is an (older than dirt) stereotype that cavemen found their mate by grabbing her hair and dragging her to the cave. While I agree if you tried this today in America you'd be in a bit of trouble, I only saw it as a reference to the cave-man equivalent of the singles-bar. The 'under my thumb' isn't literal. He's not holding her down, as you say, but it more a reference to the woman's social status at that time period. The line could be considered non-PC because of that whole equal rights thing, but I like the fact he prefaces the line with 'I like my woman dumb - I'll keep her my own equal' which mutes the non-PC nature of the remark by implying that men were stupid. The "I can really take a punch" line is a tough one, and I can easily see where you jump to the violence conclusion there. Personally, I tend to think of the punch as figurative as well, especially as it follows the 'power-lunch' and 'I'm as yes-man among women' lines. Corporate yes-men are expendable and have the deserved reputation for taking the brunt of criticism when things go wrong. Anyway, just my $0.02. Unfortunately, the first images a song brings to mind usually stick around forever. So Mesolithic will probably always leave a bad taste for you - I just hope you don't think Mike or EFO intentionally wrote a violent song under the guise of humor. cheers t > Same song. The caveman jokes are the same jokes that were made in comic > strips and songs during the Roosevelt administration, not to mention the > Flintstones. The male-female relationship jokes are also older than dirt. > This song shows none of the wit and humor one would expect from an Eddie > from Ohio song. And yes, there are references to domestic violence in this > song "I can drag you by your hair," "I need a submissive woman I can hold > under my thumb," "I can really take a punch." If you lived next door to a > couple and the man was dragging the woman by the hair, holding her down, and > punching her, would you call the police? There are certain things such as > rape, genocide, and domestic violence, that try as you might, you just can't > make funny. I don't think the song's offensive or that Mike intended any > harm, I just think it's a bad song. > > -Liam > > >From: Andrew Bray > >To: edheads@efohio.com > >Subject: Mesolithic (was Re:My Quick Review) > >Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 14:46:26 -0700 (PDT) > > > >I don't mean to club (no pun intended) your opinion of > >Mesolithic, but if when you hear that song, you hear > >domestic violence jokes - you are really missing a > >funny and very witty commentary on the complexity of > >modern male-female relationships. > > > >(I wonder if we are talking about the same band and > >song?) > > > >--- Liam Sullivan wrote: > > > > > That's part of the reason I can't get into > > > "Mesolithic." I just don't find > > > jokes about domestic violence funny. And the rest > > > of the song is just old, > > > recycled caveman jokes, not original EFO wit & > > > humor. > > > > > > -Liam > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of edheads-digest V4 #161 *****************************