From: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com (edheads-digest) To: edheads-digest@smoe.org Subject: edheads-digest V4 #151 Reply-To: edheads@efohio.com Sender: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com Errors-To: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com Precedence: bulk edheads-digest Friday, July 27 2001 Volume 04 : Number 151 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Few extra tickets.... [Megan Smith ] RE: Quick review ["Margaret Allen" ] RE: Quick review [Dave Read ] The newbie interjects ["Nicole Ryan" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 14:28:59 -0400 From: Megan Smith Subject: Few extra tickets.... Hey folks, after all my efforts to secure extra tickets, one of my friends is sick and won't be able to make it to the Wolf Trap show tonight. So we have two tickets (unfortunately not together) if anyone would like to buy them, face value plus the service charge, so $25 each. I know its late, but hopefully someone there will be able to enjoy them. Let me know via e-mail if you would like one or both! - -M - -- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 14:29:41 -0400 From: "Margaret Allen" Subject: RE: Quick review Hey, Nick, well, now, I beg to differ. Because I think that most of the people that signed up for this list did so because they are FANS, not because they want to DISCUSS the band. But that's MY OPINION. Enough said. What I didn't say in my last message that I meant to, was that you should take some good advice - if you don't have anything nice to say, shut up. That also is MY opinion. A lot of time, sweat and tears go into what you so quickly dismiss as a weak effort. You are entitled to not like it or like it, as you see fit. But it doesn't mean that anyone has to agree with you or like your opinion, as we see fit. And I will also share another piece of advice. Your opinions, which you are so quick to share as a "discussion" also impact those people who you profess to like and/or admire. Fine way to show them your appreciation. Have a great day. Hope you find some music you can appreciate down the road. Margaret >From: "nick doyle" >To: giz_mom@hotmail.com, edheads@efohio.com >Subject: RE: Quick review >Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 14:15:51 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: [65.97.28.31] >Received: from 65.97.28.31 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP;Fri, 27 >Jul 2001 18:15:51 GMT > >well, again, not to start anything, but this is a DISCUSSION list-not a >"fan" list. if i have a like or dislike about an album, or performance, or >anything else related to the band, this is where i can mention it. to say >that negative opinions should not be posted because this list is only for >the great things the band does (of which there are many)is just silly. >i don't think quick is as good as fishbowl. while it has grown on me, i >don't think it comes anywhere close to being that good. you may see that as >negative, and a comment that doesn't need to be posted. i do think it's >something that should be said, because it provokes discussion. which is, >presumably, what we're all here for. again, i don't want to start an >argument, but i thought i would reply to this, since it singled me out. >even though it is something the list had moved past. >thanks and take care, >nick > > >From: "Margaret Allen" > >To: nick_doyle@hotmail.com, edheads@efohio.com > >Subject: RE: Quick review > >Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:30:38 -0400 > > > >Cheers to Lauren! > >I'm coming late to the party as I've been out of the country for the last >two weeks, and I apologize if I'm covering ground that has already been >covered in responses I haven't gotten around to reading yet. > > > >Dear Nick, thanks for your comments. Perhaps you've forgotten that this >is a FAN list. And while we all appreciate your thoughts and opinions, like >any critic, I don't need to hear them because I can make up my own mind. >For those of us who like the numbers on Quick!, we'll go on liking them. If >you don't like them, you have the option of not listening to them. Your >choice. > > > >Have a great day, everyone! And have a blast tonight and this weekend, >especially if you are going to Wolf Trap and/or FRFF! > > > >Margaret > > > > > > >From: "Cryan, Lauren B" > > >To: "'nick doyle'" , edheads@efohio.com > > >Subject: RE: Quick review > > >Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:33:09 -0400 > > > > > >You're missing my point as my comments weren't intended as an argument. > As > > >I've already stated, certainly there are some EFO songs I'm not crazy >about, > > >but I just wanted to balance out the negative with some positive >feedback > > >and point out what some people may not appreciate. I appreciate your > > >comparisons between Quick and Fishbowl. Quick is still too new for me >to > > >compare it with Fishbowl. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: nick doyle [SMTP:nick_doyle@hotmail.com] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 10:19 > > > > To: edheads@efohio.com > > > > Subject: RE: Quick review > > > > > > > > well, that's not really an argument. judging songs by saying "i >can't > > > > write > > > > a song like that, so i can't really judge it" is, well, silly. if >that > > > > were > > > > the case, there would be no discussion. do i think that robbie and >mike > > > > are > > > > great songwriters? yes. do i think that the songs on quick are some >of the > > > > > > > > weakest they've ever done? yes. i don't judge the songs against the >craft > > > > of > > > > songwriting; i judge the songs against robbie and mike's past >songwriting > > > > achievments, and i think they've done much better in the past. i >think > > > > that > > > > fishbowl was probably a pinnacle, and quick doesn't even come close >to > > > > surpassing it. > > > > but, that's just my opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Cryan, Lauren B" > > > > >To: edheads@efohio.com > > > > >Subject: RE: Quick review > > > > >Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 09:45:05 -0400 > > > > > > > > > >DAMMIT, I LOVE Mesolithic, Sarahs, Candido,... > > > > >True, everyone is entitled to an opinion, and there > > > > >are a few songs I'm not crazy about either, > > > > >like Fairy Tale Thunder and Town about Hats, > > > > >(hee hee hee for those of you dinosaur fans like me) > > > > >but have any of you negative critics actually written a song? > > > > >Before we are so quick to judge, let's just stop > > > > >and appreciate the level of talent that goes into > > > > >song writing, generally, especially the talent of EFO. > > > > >Sure, maybe the lyrics of Little Man are "simple" > > > > >or cheesy, or whatever it was that someone said, > > > > >but if you're going to comment on that, then I'd like > > > > >to point out the difficulty of writing a four-part harmony > > > > >a capella song. It's a huge acomplishment and I'm > > > > >totally impressed. Let's also not forget that Robbie > > > > >and Mike are brilliant song writers (Robbie, melodically > > > > >and Mike lyrically, in my opinion). Even if you don't like > > > > >Mesolithic or Sarahs, or whatever, at least stop and > > > > >think about what brilliant creations they are, and > > > > >let's not lose sight of the band's brilliant talent > > > > >to make beautiful music. Cheers, > > > > >Lauren > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: carl.simmons@martindale.com > > > > [SMTP:carl.simmons@martindale.com] > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 08:11 > > > > > > To: edheads@efohio.com > > > > > > Subject: RE: Quick review > > > > > > > > > > > > "....and as a duet Robbie and Julie's vocal personas don't quite > > > > match. > > > > > > Robbie has an extra gravely caveman growl, but Julie sounds >like. . > > > > >.well, > > > > > > Julie (a > > > > > > wonderful thing!) but does it fit?" > > > > > > > > > > > > Two words: "Bonny Brook". But I know what you mean about > > > > >"Mesolithic".... > > > > > > Carl Simmons > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 14:04:06 -0500 From: Dave Read Subject: RE: Quick review Longtime fan (7 years), not-so-longtime member of this list (2-3? years), I wanted to chime in and support Nick on both fronts. I think that his observation that blind loyalty weakens fan credibility. An example: if you were trying to interest someone in EFO and were going to recommend a disc, would you recommend Quick! or would you pick another one? I, for one, would pick *any* of the earlier EFO CDs over Quick! Now the (only semi rhetorical) question: how is recommending one disc over another one any different from saying that you think the non-recommended disc is worse than the other one? I would also point out that the edheads list can be both a 'fan' list and a 'discussion' list. Those two terms are not mutually exclusive. Just because you're a "fan" doesn't mean that you can't have open & honest discussions about the music. So why am I not so enamored of Quick! ? Because, after a dozen or more listenings, I just don't find myself toe-tapping and singing along like I did for all the previous releases. This album, for the most part, lacks the melange of harmonies that I have come to associate with EOF songs. The title track comes closest, but after that I find myself wondering where the fun-to-consider-while-singing tunes went. BTW, the "Einstein was never good at math" thing is total urban legend, and has no basis in fact. :) Anyway, I'm not ragging on the band or the album. I just don't think it's as good as the previous releases. And I expect people to debate me on *why* I feel that way, not whether or not I have to the right to stand up in public and say so. BTW, did anyone make the Austin or Houston shows? I'd love to hear about them. I was/am totally crushed to have to miss those shows (the first in Texas in many years). With perfect timing, especially after I begged Mike to bring the band to Austin, they scheduled their shows here for the exact week I was leading a dive trip to the Caribbean. :( Cheers, Dave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 15:12:18 -0400 From: "Nicole Ryan" Subject: The newbie interjects I've just recently joined. Maybe a few weeks ago now? Right after the release of "Quick"... Anyways, that's not the point of this. Now we could quibble and spend bandwidth day in and day out on this argument of who's opinion's what and if it should be posted here... Or we could let it drop. Neither side will ever agree-- Can't we agree to disagree then please? I enjoyed Quick-- But when I put it on to play I invariably program the player not a play a couple of the songs. This does not mean the songs I do not play are "worthless" and/or "weak"-- They simply just aren't what I am in the mood to listen to. My whole point is-- Be nice, okay? Everyone? Can we work on this please? Most of you guys seem pretty roll with the punches, but... you get my point. :) I hope so, anyways. Realize that not everyone is going out and screaming "ohmygodthisisthebestcdIhaveeverowned!" like crazed teenagers-- but at the same time some people do love it that much. Respect that. This means do not demean them for posting their feelings EITHER way. And for pity's sake respect the work put into the album-- You don't have to love it but they did put a lot of time and effort into making this CD, as well as promoting it. That's undeniable. That said...(crawls off the soapbox) - --- Nicole Ryan - --- galebird@earthlink.net - --- "You may only be one person in the world, but you are the world to one person" ------------------------------ End of edheads-digest V4 #151 *****************************