From: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com (edheads-digest) To: edheads-digest@smoe.org Subject: edheads-digest V4 #150 Reply-To: edheads@efohio.com Sender: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com Errors-To: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com Precedence: bulk edheads-digest Friday, July 27 2001 Volume 04 : Number 150 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Quick review ["Margaret Allen" ] RE: Quick review ["nick doyle" ] RE: Quick review ["John McIntyre" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:30:38 -0400 From: "Margaret Allen" Subject: RE: Quick review Cheers to Lauren! I'm coming late to the party as I've been out of the country for the last two weeks, and I apologize if I'm covering ground that has already been covered in responses I haven't gotten around to reading yet. Dear Nick, thanks for your comments. Perhaps you've forgotten that this is a FAN list. And while we all appreciate your thoughts and opinions, like any critic, I don't need to hear them because I can make up my own mind. For those of us who like the numbers on Quick!, we'll go on liking them. If you don't like them, you have the option of not listening to them. Your choice. Have a great day, everyone! And have a blast tonight and this weekend, especially if you are going to Wolf Trap and/or FRFF! Margaret >From: "Cryan, Lauren B" >To: "'nick doyle'" , edheads@efohio.com >Subject: RE: Quick review >Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:33:09 -0400 > >You're missing my point as my comments weren't intended as an argument. As >I've already stated, certainly there are some EFO songs I'm not crazy >about, >but I just wanted to balance out the negative with some positive feedback >and point out what some people may not appreciate. I appreciate your >comparisons between Quick and Fishbowl. Quick is still too new for me to >compare it with Fishbowl. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nick doyle [SMTP:nick_doyle@hotmail.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 10:19 > > To: edheads@efohio.com > > Subject: RE: Quick review > > > > well, that's not really an argument. judging songs by saying "i can't > > write > > a song like that, so i can't really judge it" is, well, silly. if that > > were > > the case, there would be no discussion. do i think that robbie and mike > > are > > great songwriters? yes. do i think that the songs on quick are some of >the > > > > weakest they've ever done? yes. i don't judge the songs against the >craft > > of > > songwriting; i judge the songs against robbie and mike's past >songwriting > > achievments, and i think they've done much better in the past. i think > > that > > fishbowl was probably a pinnacle, and quick doesn't even come close to > > surpassing it. > > but, that's just my opinion. > > > > > > >From: "Cryan, Lauren B" > > >To: edheads@efohio.com > > >Subject: RE: Quick review > > >Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 09:45:05 -0400 > > > > > >DAMMIT, I LOVE Mesolithic, Sarahs, Candido,... > > >True, everyone is entitled to an opinion, and there > > >are a few songs I'm not crazy about either, > > >like Fairy Tale Thunder and Town about Hats, > > >(hee hee hee for those of you dinosaur fans like me) > > >but have any of you negative critics actually written a song? > > >Before we are so quick to judge, let's just stop > > >and appreciate the level of talent that goes into > > >song writing, generally, especially the talent of EFO. > > >Sure, maybe the lyrics of Little Man are "simple" > > >or cheesy, or whatever it was that someone said, > > >but if you're going to comment on that, then I'd like > > >to point out the difficulty of writing a four-part harmony > > >a capella song. It's a huge acomplishment and I'm > > >totally impressed. Let's also not forget that Robbie > > >and Mike are brilliant song writers (Robbie, melodically > > >and Mike lyrically, in my opinion). Even if you don't like > > >Mesolithic or Sarahs, or whatever, at least stop and > > >think about what brilliant creations they are, and > > >let's not lose sight of the band's brilliant talent > > >to make beautiful music. Cheers, > > >Lauren > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: carl.simmons@martindale.com > > [SMTP:carl.simmons@martindale.com] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 08:11 > > > > To: edheads@efohio.com > > > > Subject: RE: Quick review > > > > > > > > "....and as a duet Robbie and Julie's vocal personas don't quite > > match. > > > > Robbie has an extra gravely caveman growl, but Julie sounds like. . > > >.well, > > > > Julie (a > > > > wonderful thing!) but does it fit?" > > > > > > > > Two words: "Bonny Brook". But I know what you mean about > > >"Mesolithic".... > > > > Carl Simmons > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 14:15:51 -0400 From: "nick doyle" Subject: RE: Quick review well, again, not to start anything, but this is a DISCUSSION list-not a "fan" list. if i have a like or dislike about an album, or performance, or anything else related to the band, this is where i can mention it. to say that negative opinions should not be posted because this list is only for the great things the band does (of which there are many)is just silly. i don't think quick is as good as fishbowl. while it has grown on me, i don't think it comes anywhere close to being that good. you may see that as negative, and a comment that doesn't need to be posted. i do think it's something that should be said, because it provokes discussion. which is, presumably, what we're all here for. again, i don't want to start an argument, but i thought i would reply to this, since it singled me out. even though it is something the list had moved past. thanks and take care, nick >From: "Margaret Allen" >To: nick_doyle@hotmail.com, edheads@efohio.com >Subject: RE: Quick review >Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:30:38 -0400 > >Cheers to Lauren! >I'm coming late to the party as I've been out of the country for the last >two weeks, and I apologize if I'm covering ground that has already been >covered in responses I haven't gotten around to reading yet. > >Dear Nick, thanks for your comments. Perhaps you've forgotten that this is >a FAN list. And while we all appreciate your thoughts and opinions, like >any critic, I don't need to hear them because I can make up my own mind. >For those of us who like the numbers on Quick!, we'll go on liking them. If >you don't like them, you have the option of not listening to them. Your >choice. > >Have a great day, everyone! And have a blast tonight and this weekend, >especially if you are going to Wolf Trap and/or FRFF! > >Margaret > > > >From: "Cryan, Lauren B" > >To: "'nick doyle'" , edheads@efohio.com > >Subject: RE: Quick review > >Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:33:09 -0400 > > > >You're missing my point as my comments weren't intended as an argument. >As > >I've already stated, certainly there are some EFO songs I'm not crazy >about, > >but I just wanted to balance out the negative with some positive feedback > >and point out what some people may not appreciate. I appreciate your > >comparisons between Quick and Fishbowl. Quick is still too new for me to > >compare it with Fishbowl. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: nick doyle [SMTP:nick_doyle@hotmail.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 10:19 > > > To: edheads@efohio.com > > > Subject: RE: Quick review > > > > > > well, that's not really an argument. judging songs by saying "i can't > > > write > > > a song like that, so i can't really judge it" is, well, silly. if that > > > were > > > the case, there would be no discussion. do i think that robbie and >mike > > > are > > > great songwriters? yes. do i think that the songs on quick are some of >the > > > > > > weakest they've ever done? yes. i don't judge the songs against the >craft > > > of > > > songwriting; i judge the songs against robbie and mike's past >songwriting > > > achievments, and i think they've done much better in the past. i think > > > that > > > fishbowl was probably a pinnacle, and quick doesn't even come close to > > > surpassing it. > > > but, that's just my opinion. > > > > > > > > > >From: "Cryan, Lauren B" > > > >To: edheads@efohio.com > > > >Subject: RE: Quick review > > > >Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 09:45:05 -0400 > > > > > > > >DAMMIT, I LOVE Mesolithic, Sarahs, Candido,... > > > >True, everyone is entitled to an opinion, and there > > > >are a few songs I'm not crazy about either, > > > >like Fairy Tale Thunder and Town about Hats, > > > >(hee hee hee for those of you dinosaur fans like me) > > > >but have any of you negative critics actually written a song? > > > >Before we are so quick to judge, let's just stop > > > >and appreciate the level of talent that goes into > > > >song writing, generally, especially the talent of EFO. > > > >Sure, maybe the lyrics of Little Man are "simple" > > > >or cheesy, or whatever it was that someone said, > > > >but if you're going to comment on that, then I'd like > > > >to point out the difficulty of writing a four-part harmony > > > >a capella song. It's a huge acomplishment and I'm > > > >totally impressed. Let's also not forget that Robbie > > > >and Mike are brilliant song writers (Robbie, melodically > > > >and Mike lyrically, in my opinion). Even if you don't like > > > >Mesolithic or Sarahs, or whatever, at least stop and > > > >think about what brilliant creations they are, and > > > >let's not lose sight of the band's brilliant talent > > > >to make beautiful music. Cheers, > > > >Lauren > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: carl.simmons@martindale.com > > > [SMTP:carl.simmons@martindale.com] > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 08:11 > > > > > To: edheads@efohio.com > > > > > Subject: RE: Quick review > > > > > > > > > > "....and as a duet Robbie and Julie's vocal personas don't quite > > > match. > > > > > Robbie has an extra gravely caveman growl, but Julie sounds like. >. > > > >.well, > > > > > Julie (a > > > > > wonderful thing!) but does it fit?" > > > > > > > > > > Two words: "Bonny Brook". But I know what you mean about > > > >"Mesolithic".... > > > > > Carl Simmons > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 11:26:36 -0700 From: "John McIntyre" Subject: RE: Quick review With no wish to prolong discussion on this point (nor to be argumentative myself), I'm with Nick on this one. Unreflective fan-dom loses its credibility among all the accolades--and people's comparative evaluations of songs and albums, while entirely personal, does make for interesting discussion. God bless us every one-- - --John >>> "nick doyle" 07/27/01 11:15AM >>> well, again, not to start anything, but this is a DISCUSSION list-not a "fan" list. if i have a like or dislike about an album, or performance, or anything else related to the band, this is where i can mention it. to say that negative opinions should not be posted because this list is only for the great things the band does (of which there are many)is just silly. i don't think quick is as good as fishbowl. while it has grown on me, i don't think it comes anywhere close to being that good. you may see that as negative, and a comment that doesn't need to be posted. i do think it's something that should be said, because it provokes discussion. which is, presumably, what we're all here for. again, i don't want to start an argument, but i thought i would reply to this, since it singled me out. even though it is something the list had moved past. thanks and take care, nick >From: "Margaret Allen" >To: nick_doyle@hotmail.com, edheads@efohio.com >Subject: RE: Quick review >Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:30:38 -0400 > >Cheers to Lauren! >I'm coming late to the party as I've been out of the country for the last >two weeks, and I apologize if I'm covering ground that has already been >covered in responses I haven't gotten around to reading yet. > >Dear Nick, thanks for your comments. Perhaps you've forgotten that this is >a FAN list. And while we all appreciate your thoughts and opinions, like >any critic, I don't need to hear them because I can make up my own mind. >For those of us who like the numbers on Quick!, we'll go on liking them. If >you don't like them, you have the option of not listening to them. Your >choice. > >Have a great day, everyone! And have a blast tonight and this weekend, >especially if you are going to Wolf Trap and/or FRFF! > >Margaret > > > >From: "Cryan, Lauren B" > >To: "'nick doyle'" , edheads@efohio.com > >Subject: RE: Quick review > >Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:33:09 -0400 > > > >You're missing my point as my comments weren't intended as an argument. >As > >I've already stated, certainly there are some EFO songs I'm not crazy >about, > >but I just wanted to balance out the negative with some positive feedback > >and point out what some people may not appreciate. I appreciate your > >comparisons between Quick and Fishbowl. Quick is still too new for me to > >compare it with Fishbowl. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: nick doyle [SMTP:nick_doyle@hotmail.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 10:19 > > > To: edheads@efohio.com > > > Subject: RE: Quick review > > > > > > well, that's not really an argument. judging songs by saying "i can't > > > write > > > a song like that, so i can't really judge it" is, well, silly. if that > > > were > > > the case, there would be no discussion. do i think that robbie and >mike > > > are > > > great songwriters? yes. do i think that the songs on quick are some of >the > > > > > > weakest they've ever done? yes. i don't judge the songs against the >craft > > > of > > > songwriting; i judge the songs against robbie and mike's past >songwriting > > > achievments, and i think they've done much better in the past. i think > > > that > > > fishbowl was probably a pinnacle, and quick doesn't even come close to > > > surpassing it. > > > but, that's just my opinion. > > > > > > > > > >From: "Cryan, Lauren B" > > > >To: edheads@efohio.com > > > >Subject: RE: Quick review > > > >Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 09:45:05 -0400 > > > > > > > >DAMMIT, I LOVE Mesolithic, Sarahs, Candido,... > > > >True, everyone is entitled to an opinion, and there > > > >are a few songs I'm not crazy about either, > > > >like Fairy Tale Thunder and Town about Hats, > > > >(hee hee hee for those of you dinosaur fans like me) > > > >but have any of you negative critics actually written a song? > > > >Before we are so quick to judge, let's just stop > > > >and appreciate the level of talent that goes into > > > >song writing, generally, especially the talent of EFO. > > > >Sure, maybe the lyrics of Little Man are "simple" > > > >or cheesy, or whatever it was that someone said, > > > >but if you're going to comment on that, then I'd like > > > >to point out the difficulty of writing a four-part harmony > > > >a capella song. It's a huge acomplishment and I'm > > > >totally impressed. Let's also not forget that Robbie > > > >and Mike are brilliant song writers (Robbie, melodically > > > >and Mike lyrically, in my opinion). Even if you don't like > > > >Mesolithic or Sarahs, or whatever, at least stop and > > > >think about what brilliant creations they are, and > > > >let's not lose sight of the band's brilliant talent > > > >to make beautiful music. Cheers, > > > >Lauren > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: carl.simmons@martindale.com > > > [SMTP:carl.simmons@martindale.com] > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 08:11 > > > > > To: edheads@efohio.com > > > > > Subject: RE: Quick review > > > > > > > > > > "....and as a duet Robbie and Julie's vocal personas don't quite > > > match. > > > > > Robbie has an extra gravely caveman growl, but Julie sounds like. >. > > > >.well, > > > > > Julie (a > > > > > wonderful thing!) but does it fit?" > > > > > > > > > > Two words: "Bonny Brook". But I know what you mean about > > > >"Mesolithic".... > > > > > Carl Simmons > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of edheads-digest V4 #150 *****************************