From: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com (edheads-digest) To: edheads-digest@smoe.org Subject: edheads-digest V4 #128 Reply-To: edheads@efohio.com Sender: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com Errors-To: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com Precedence: bulk edheads-digest Tuesday, July 17 2001 Volume 04 : Number 128 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Quick review ["shelley adams" ] EFO: So much negativity [Clay Chilcoat ] Re: EFO: So much negativity ["steve roane" ] EFO: So much negativity [carl.simmons@martindale.com] RE: Quick review [Nicole Carlson ] Fw: Least favorite EFO tunes/Favorite tune they never play ["Shawn McCaus] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:30:18 -0400 From: "shelley adams" Subject: RE: Quick review hrm... just a comment about that 'four-part-harmony' statement. yes, i will agree that song writing is a difficult craft, and those that have a gift for it count among the very talented. but, once you've written a melody, harmonies fall into place very easily. yes, it's super easy to just do simple thirds (pmb), but that gets boring very fast. but even the more intricate harmonies are not hard to find. once you get an ear for that sort of thing, you can almost hear the other parts around the melody without having to sit down and 'write' new parts. i don't want to diminish any of their song writing abilities. i think they're all very talented. i do not however think harmonies infer a more difficult song, and i don't think that anything on quick is the best they've ever done. here's hoping their next album doesn't disappoint.... shelley >>From: "Cryan, Lauren B" >>To: edheads@efohio.com >>Subject: RE: Quick review >>Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 09:45:05 -0400 >> >>DAMMIT, I LOVE Mesolithic, Sarahs, Candido,... >>True, everyone is entitled to an opinion, and there >>are a few songs I'm not crazy about either, >>like Fairy Tale Thunder and Town about Hats, >>(hee hee hee for those of you dinosaur fans like me) >>but have any of you negative critics actually written a song? >>Before we are so quick to judge, let's just stop >>and appreciate the level of talent that goes into >>song writing, generally, especially the talent of EFO. >>Sure, maybe the lyrics of Little Man are "simple" >>or cheesy, or whatever it was that someone said, >>but if you're going to comment on that, then I'd like >>to point out the difficulty of writing a four-part harmony >>a capella song. It's a huge acomplishment and I'm >>totally impressed. Let's also not forget that Robbie >>and Mike are brilliant song writers (Robbie, melodically >>and Mike lyrically, in my opinion). Even if you don't like >>Mesolithic or Sarahs, or whatever, at least stop and >>think about what brilliant creations they are, and >>let's not lose sight of the band's brilliant talent >>to make beautiful music. Cheers, >>Lauren >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: carl.simmons@martindale.com [SMTP:carl.simmons@martindale.com] >> > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 08:11 >> > To: edheads@efohio.com >> > Subject: RE: Quick review >> > >> > "....and as a duet Robbie and Julie's vocal personas don't quite match. >> > Robbie has an extra gravely caveman growl, but Julie sounds like. . >>.well, >> > Julie (a >> > wonderful thing!) but does it fit?" >> > >> > Two words: "Bonny Brook". But I know what you mean about >>"Mesolithic".... >> > Carl Simmons > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:32:31 -0400 From: Clay Chilcoat Subject: EFO: So much negativity Wow. I think the recent discussion on the list has done a beautiful job of illustrating the weaknesses of communication via email. We each type our opinions into our machine and hurtle them through cyberspace at the others on the list, with the best of intentions. But because the printed word is so sterile, and because there is no way to directly clarify our points, and because the writer's tone is so rarely discernable in the writer's text, we often times result in inflaming the people we were trying to communicate with. Perhaps if we were all a little more careful in our writing and a LOT more careful in our reading, we could avoid some of this aggravation. With that said, perhaps now is not the best time for a list of our least favorite EFO tunes. It is probably fair to say that we all (being devoted enough to the band to be on this list) are very excited about receiving the new disc, and that we all (being rational human beings) don't absolutely adore every single note ever played by the band over the past 10 years. Focusing on our least favorite songs is (at least for me) really dampening the excitement of having new tunes to hear for the first time. It's kinda like running around spouting "NASCAR is stupid" on the day after Dale Earnhardt's death - that may be your opinion (it's mine), and you (we) are entitled to it, but expressing yourself at that time and in that way is only going to anger people. And when people are angry, they don't listen to what your saying anyway, so you haven't communicated your thoughts, you've just pissed people off. Man can I ramble. So with THAT said, if we could give the critical critique a couple of days rest, I'd appreciate it... it's been stomping' on my buzz. My other option is to stop reading/sign off of the list, which I'd rather not do, because in general I really enjoy hearing other people's opinions of the band. ESPECIALLY when they differ from mine. Plus, this would allow everyone a chance to hear the CD we've been analyzing and to form an informed opinion. Just my opinion, and I'm sorry for forcing it upon you, Clay Chilcoat ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:37:48 -0400 From: "steve roane" Subject: Re: EFO: So much negativity Thanks for the last post Carlyou summed up my feeling better than I could. I felt this was the most intersting back and forth in the almost 3 years Ive been on the list. We are all very passionate about EFO and Im glad we could have this exchange, but now is the time to hum Great Day to ourselves and reflect on the Tao of EFO. :) Steve _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:53:07 -0400 From: carl.simmons@martindale.com Subject: EFO: So much negativity So there IS a Tao of EFO? Even while humming Great Day? How ecumenical.... :-) Well, Thomas Merton (aka "Tommy the Frenchtercian") would probably buy into it, anyway, so that's good enough for me.... Carl Simmons P.S. Thanks, Steve, I needed that just about now.... Thanks for the last post Carl_you summed up my feeling better than I could. I felt this was the most intersting back and forth in the almost 3 years I_ve been on the list. We are all very passionate about EFO and I_m glad we could have this exchange, but now is the time to hum _Great Day_ to ourselves and reflect on the Tao of EFO. :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:02:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Nicole Carlson Subject: RE: Quick review On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, corbe001 wrote: > P.S. Anyone understand the spanish at the end of Candido? My high school > spanish left me years and years ago. I actually do speak Spanish a little (my Spanish has been pronounced "very good" by Tommy the Canexican); it's a survival skill here in California. So I tackled the Spanish with gusto. And got roughly nowhere. The first and last bits are easy. "Cuando el fogon se apaga" = "when the fire diminishes", or, more artistically, "as the campfire dies"; "suen~a de su tierra querida" = "she [1] dreams of her beloved country". Now the middle part: "America se aquesta". I saw this and concluded that it was a conjugated form of some verb whose infinitive would be *aquestarse, of whose exact meaning I was ignorant but which, from context, seemed to mean something like "to continue", which would make the entire sentence mean "As the fire dies, America continues dreaming of her beloved land;" [2] more or less a translation of the English lyrics. Except it's wrong, of course. There IS no verb *aquestarse. Every single Spanish dictionary I consulted said that "aquesta" means "these" (it's a poetic variant of "esta"). And here I concede defeat. I cannot assemble "America", "se" (a pronoun "she" [1]), and "aquesta" into anything that makes any sense when followed by "she dreams of her beloved land." Suggestions from better translators welcomed. - --nicole twn [1] Actually "he/she/it", but the context makes it clear that it's "she" [2] But this can't be right either; you'd have to use the present progressive--suen~ando--to indicate an activity that's continuing. *** "Rides first, THEN food."--helpful advice from the California State Fair commission Visit Nicolopolis! http://wwwcsif.cs.ucdavis.edu/~carlsonn nmcarlson@ucdavis.edu ana.ng@tmbg.org carlsonn@seclab.cs.ucdavis.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:42:36 -0400 From: "Shawn McCausland" Subject: Fw: Least favorite EFO tunes/Favorite tune they never play - ----- Original Message ----- From: Shawn McCausland To: Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 1:13 PM Subject: Re: Least favorite EFO tunes/Favorite tune they never play > I have to agree that it's been nice to have a diversion from the usual EFO > love-fest on this list and hear the types of things people don't like as > much. Personally, I think the love-fest is usually justified because > there's just not that much EFO music that I don't like. However, I enjoy > hearing opinions on why certain songs don't click with others (and I'll add > "Jack Can't Cook" to the middle section of "Actually Not" on my list of > could-do-withouts). I don't think anyone should feel bad for not liking a > particular song or expressing that view, as long as it doesn't get personal. > > I haven't heard the new CD yet (picking mine up at the Fairfax Borders show > tomorrow night), but I've heard them do most of the songs on it a time or > two. Seems like "#6 Driver" has been around for a year or more on stage and > I love it every time - it speaks to the traveler in me, the call of the road > as well as of home, and I've had an interesting talk with Robbie about that > theme. I love "Best of Me" for many reasons, not the least of which is that > it's one of the few Mike songs I "got" on the first go-round. "Great Day" > is simply one of the best songs they've ever done. I'm really looking > forward to hearing them jam with Great Big Sea and Fighting Gravity on some > of these tunes next Friday. > > Someone mentioned that they've always wanted to see "Fly South" live. They > did it at last March's Barns of Wolf Trap show, after I had been asking them > for a while to do something off Juggler. We don't get to see much of the > "old" EFO on stage and that song did a good job of representing that. If > the new CD goes back to that style a little more, that sounds good to me. > > > Shawn McCausland > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 6:20 PM > Subject: Re: Least favorite EFO tunes/Favorite tune they never play > > > > In a message dated 7/16/01 5:53:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > LTSMass@excite.com writes: > > > > > In addition to the aforemention "Mesolithic," I've never liked "Stupid > > > American" or "Jack Can't Cook". No offense to anyone who likes these > > songs, > > > I just find them grating. > > > > I like Jack Can't Cook myself, but I'm always surprised when they play it, > > since I figure that absolutely no one in the audience ever gets it. > > Especially since I've never seen them play anywhere near the D.C. area. > > > > On a somewhat more positive note, I'd like to say that I've always wanted > > them to play Fly South live, but I've never heard it. Santa Margherita > and > > Continents of Time would fall into this category too, but they've played > them > > at least once. > > > > Eric ------------------------------ End of edheads-digest V4 #128 *****************************