From: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com (edheads-digest) To: edheads-digest@smoe.org Subject: edheads-digest V4 #127 Reply-To: edheads@efohio.com Sender: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com Errors-To: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com Precedence: bulk edheads-digest Tuesday, July 17 2001 Volume 04 : Number 127 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Quick review [Victoria_Smith@ao.uscourts.gov] RE: Quick review ["steve roane" ] RE: Quick review [corbe001 ] Re: Quick Review [Buddy Brannan ] RE: Quick review [carl.simmons@martindale.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:38:40 -0400 From: Victoria_Smith@ao.uscourts.gov Subject: RE: Quick review I love the band and love the new album. I was just surprised that the focus of the list went so quickly from "I got my copy!!!" to "here are the songs I don't like." It's not so much that everyone needs to adore the album in equal measure (or that you need to be a gifted songwriter in your own right to know what you enjoy) ...it was just a little deflating to have the focus be so negative at such an exciting time for the band. "nick doyle" Sent by: owner-edheads@efohio.com 07/17/2001 10:18 AM To: edheads@efohio.com cc: Subject: RE: Quick review well, that's not really an argument. judging songs by saying "i can't write a song like that, so i can't really judge it" is, well, silly. if that were the case, there would be no discussion. do i think that robbie and mike are great songwriters? yes. do i think that the songs on quick are some of the weakest they've ever done? yes. i don't judge the songs against the craft of songwriting; i judge the songs against robbie and mike's past songwriting achievments, and i think they've done much better in the past. i think that fishbowl was probably a pinnacle, and quick doesn't even come close to surpassing it. but, that's just my opinion. >From: "Cryan, Lauren B" >To: edheads@efohio.com >Subject: RE: Quick review >Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 09:45:05 -0400 > >DAMMIT, I LOVE Mesolithic, Sarahs, Candido,... >True, everyone is entitled to an opinion, and there >are a few songs I'm not crazy about either, >like Fairy Tale Thunder and Town about Hats, >(hee hee hee for those of you dinosaur fans like me) >but have any of you negative critics actually written a song? >Before we are so quick to judge, let's just stop >and appreciate the level of talent that goes into >song writing, generally, especially the talent of EFO. >Sure, maybe the lyrics of Little Man are "simple" >or cheesy, or whatever it was that someone said, >but if you're going to comment on that, then I'd like >to point out the difficulty of writing a four-part harmony >a capella song. It's a huge acomplishment and I'm >totally impressed. Let's also not forget that Robbie >and Mike are brilliant song writers (Robbie, melodically >and Mike lyrically, in my opinion). Even if you don't like >Mesolithic or Sarahs, or whatever, at least stop and >think about what brilliant creations they are, and >let's not lose sight of the band's brilliant talent >to make beautiful music. Cheers, >Lauren > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: carl.simmons@martindale.com [SMTP:carl.simmons@martindale.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 08:11 > > To: edheads@efohio.com > > Subject: RE: Quick review > > > > "....and as a duet Robbie and Julie's vocal personas don't quite match. > > Robbie has an extra gravely caveman growl, but Julie sounds like. . >.well, > > Julie (a > > wonderful thing!) but does it fit?" > > > > Two words: "Bonny Brook". But I know what you mean about >"Mesolithic".... > > Carl Simmons _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:45:32 -0400 From: "steve roane" Subject: RE: Quick review I dont there is anyone on this list who doesnt appreciate and respect EFOs hard work and talent. Those of us who have written about songs we dont prefer arent doing it out of enmity. I think it is interesting to read what people dont like as well as what they like. Ive never written a song. Does this mean I have to like every song thats ever been written? Steve >but have any of you negative critics actually written a song? >Before we are so quick to judge, let's just stop >and appreciate the level of talent that goes into >song writing, generally, especially the talent of EFO. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:10:00 -0500 From: corbe001 Subject: RE: Quick review Just to toss in my two cents about the album and what everyone is saying... I wouldn't necessarily call the songs on Quick weak. I would be more likely to say that the band is branching out into a slightly different style. They're going for more overt humor than usual. Do I like it? Heck yeah. I enjoy goofy songs. I LOVE goofy songs that have brilliant lyrics and musicianship. (Mezolithic is a great song...but is it even greater live...major HECK YEAH!!) But some people don't like the directions that bands go in (thinks back to myself and listening to BNL's Stunt and Maroon). Changes are more obvious to people that have been listening to a band since the beginning. I discovered EFO by chance three years ago (thought an interview in the paper was funny enough to warrant buying a cd). And that cd I took a chance on was a wonderful investment. I think Candido and America is an awesome song (gotta track down that book...I really like T.C. Boyle). Quick and #6 Driver are all way up there on my great songs list. I'm liking this path, and I hope they keep it up! Kim P.S. Anyone understand the spanish at the end of Candido? My high school spanish left me years and years ago. >> do i think that robbie and mike >> are >> great songwriters? yes. do i think that the songs on quick are some of the >> >> weakest they've ever done? yes. ##################################################################### Bought a Venus Fly Trap today. I was going to name it 'Republican', but the fly trap is beneficial to the enviroment. I'll save that name - someday I might find a plant that eats poor people and minorities. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:20:45 -0500 From: Buddy Brannan Subject: Re: Quick Review Well, dammit, I still love the album, and I've listened to it a bunch of times. Think I'll listen to it again in fact. But I tell you what, I love the older stuff, too, and "Actually Not" will always be very special to me, as it's the first EFO CD I ever got. I didn't get the rest until about three, make that four years later, and it was great to rediscover "Hail Mary Shy Of Redemption", since that was one of the first EFO songs I'd ever heard (on a February afternoon, mere minutes before I got the previously mentioned "Actually Not".) I dunno, but for some reason, if we wanna talk about least favorite songs, the better part of "Big Noise" never has really grabbed me, but that's just me. Anyway, as for Quick, the first thing that struck me about the CD was the amount of energy you could feel from it. The second thing, and not that far behind the first, was, "Man, these guys sure sound like they had a lot of fun making this one!" I'm sure that there are fun moments in making any album, but it's a lot of work, too. And I think they have fun playing together and all that, but I just sorta felt like they had a lot of fun making this one in particular. That counts for quite a lot, IMO. Well anywho, that's it from here, I think. - -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV | History is made by stupid people. Email: davros@ycardz.com | Clever people wouldn't even try. Phone: (972) 276-6360 | If you want a place in the history books ICQ: 36621210 | Then do something dumb before you die. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:25:51 -0400 From: carl.simmons@martindale.com Subject: RE: Quick review I was gonna go offline with this, then thought "heck, why not....." So, Victoria - yes, you're right, BUT.... ....actually, the first several dozen posts re: Quick last week were along the lines of "this is so incredible" - i.e., so uncritical as to make me wonder whether I'd actually stumbled onto the Backstreet Boys list. I held off over the weekend, as a result, to see if it'd continue along these lines. It did. Thus, even I finally did vent my reservations (basically, after a couple dozen listens, I'm in general agreement with nick that while Quick has its share of moments & that WFUV oughta be getting off their more-earnest-than-thou butts and start playing them, Fishbowl was a moment in its entirety), my subject line started "I don't want to spoil the party, but...." I guess it made it OK for everyone else, because then the backlash started - which probably didn't sound very good (and depending on when people got their respective copies might've sounded even worse) but I think is a good thing 'cause now it seems OK to think what you want about Quick (or anything else the boys & girl have ever done, apparently....).... which ultimately makes for a healthier list.... and besides, if they didn't want critics on their list they shouldn't be such a bunch of talented wiseasses & attract us all in the first place. :-) Anyway, capsule summary: I don't think the Quick-spin is as negative as it appears, it's just that the negativity had some catching up to do to get where it belonged. Yin & yang & all that. I think it's pretty much there now.... so blow the bubble back up and I'll personally do my best not to pop it from here on out.... besides, I don't want to mess with the government.... :-) Carl Simmons I love the band and love the new album. I was just surprised that the focus of the list went so quickly from "I got my copy!!!" to "here are the songs I don't like." It's not so much that everyone needs to adore the album in equal measure (or that you need to be a gifted songwriter in your own right to know what you enjoy) ...it was just a little deflating to have the focus be so negative at such an exciting time for the band. "nick doyle" Sent by: owner-edheads@efohio.com 07/17/2001 10:18 AM To: edheads@efohio.com cc: Subject: RE: Quick review well, that's not really an argument. judging songs by saying "i can't write a song like that, so i can't really judge it" is, well, silly. if that were the case, there would be no discussion. do i think that robbie and mike are great songwriters? yes. do i think that the songs on quick are some of the weakest they've ever done? yes. i don't judge the songs against the craft of songwriting; i judge the songs against robbie and mike's past songwriting achievments, and i think they've done much better in the past. i think that fishbowl was probably a pinnacle, and quick doesn't even come close to surpassing it. but, that's just my opinion. >From: "Cryan, Lauren B" >To: edheads@efohio.com >Subject: RE: Quick review >Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 09:45:05 -0400 > >DAMMIT, I LOVE Mesolithic, Sarahs, Candido,... >True, everyone is entitled to an opinion, and there >are a few songs I'm not crazy about either, >like Fairy Tale Thunder and Town about Hats, >(hee hee hee for those of you dinosaur fans like me) >but have any of you negative critics actually written a song? >Before we are so quick to judge, let's just stop >and appreciate the level of talent that goes into >song writing, generally, especially the talent of EFO. >Sure, maybe the lyrics of Little Man are "simple" >or cheesy, or whatever it was that someone said, >but if you're going to comment on that, then I'd like >to point out the difficulty of writing a four-part harmony >a capella song. It's a huge acomplishment and I'm >totally impressed. Let's also not forget that Robbie >and Mike are brilliant song writers (Robbie, melodically >and Mike lyrically, in my opinion). Even if you don't like >Mesolithic or Sarahs, or whatever, at least stop and >think about what brilliant creations they are, and >let's not lose sight of the band's brilliant talent >to make beautiful music. Cheers, >Lauren > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: carl.simmons@martindale.com [SMTP:carl.simmons@martindale.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 08:11 > > To: edheads@efohio.com > > Subject: RE: Quick review > > > > "....and as a duet Robbie and Julie's vocal personas don't quite match. > > Robbie has an extra gravely caveman growl, but Julie sounds like. . >.well, > > Julie (a > > wonderful thing!) but does it fit?" > > > > Two words: "Bonny Brook". But I know what you mean about >"Mesolithic".... > > Carl Simmons _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of edheads-digest V4 #127 *****************************