From: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com (edheads-digest) To: edheads-digest@smoe.org Subject: edheads-digest V4 #126 Reply-To: edheads@efohio.com Sender: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com Errors-To: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com Precedence: bulk edheads-digest Tuesday, July 17 2001 Volume 04 : Number 126 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Quick review [carl.simmons@martindale.com] Cantering on Fool [Thomas Palmer ] I go My quick!!!!! [Robert Bettencourt ] RE: Quick review ["Cryan, Lauren B" ] RE: Quick review ["nick doyle" ] RE: Quick review [carl.simmons@martindale.com] RE: Quick review ["Cryan, Lauren B" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 08:10:49 -0400 From: carl.simmons@martindale.com Subject: RE: Quick review "....and as a duet Robbie and Julie's vocal personas don't quite match. Robbie has an extra gravely caveman growl, but Julie sounds like. . .well, Julie (a wonderful thing!) but does it fit?" Two words: "Bonny Brook". But I know what you mean about "Mesolithic".... Carl Simmons ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 07:20:39 -0500 From: Thomas Palmer Subject: Cantering on Fool For some reason during the first 12 seconds of Cantering on Fool, I anticipate Cyndi Lauper to chime in "Time....After.....Time". Is it just me? Tom Palmer Client Solutions Support Ascential Software, Inc. Lenexa, KS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 05:43:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Bettencourt Subject: I go My quick!!!!! Hey All, I went to Borders this morning and the cerk had reserved my copy of quick for me had it at the counter. I went yesterday to get it from Borders but they told me that they got in trouble for selling it before 7/17. So, all you EFO fans who got quick from Borders before today were lucky too. Figures Boston Borders get caught. Oh well. I will let you known what I think when I play it this afternoon. Rob Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 09:45:05 -0400 From: "Cryan, Lauren B" Subject: RE: Quick review DAMMIT, I LOVE Mesolithic, Sarahs, Candido,... True, everyone is entitled to an opinion, and there are a few songs I'm not crazy about either, like Fairy Tale Thunder and Town about Hats, (hee hee hee for those of you dinosaur fans like me) but have any of you negative critics actually written a song? Before we are so quick to judge, let's just stop and appreciate the level of talent that goes into song writing, generally, especially the talent of EFO. Sure, maybe the lyrics of Little Man are "simple" or cheesy, or whatever it was that someone said, but if you're going to comment on that, then I'd like to point out the difficulty of writing a four-part harmony a capella song. It's a huge acomplishment and I'm totally impressed. Let's also not forget that Robbie and Mike are brilliant song writers (Robbie, melodically and Mike lyrically, in my opinion). Even if you don't like Mesolithic or Sarahs, or whatever, at least stop and think about what brilliant creations they are, and let's not lose sight of the band's brilliant talent to make beautiful music. Cheers, Lauren > -----Original Message----- > From: carl.simmons@martindale.com [SMTP:carl.simmons@martindale.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 08:11 > To: edheads@efohio.com > Subject: RE: Quick review > > "....and as a duet Robbie and Julie's vocal personas don't quite match. > Robbie has an extra gravely caveman growl, but Julie sounds like. . .well, > Julie (a > wonderful thing!) but does it fit?" > > Two words: "Bonny Brook". But I know what you mean about "Mesolithic".... > Carl Simmons ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:18:48 -0400 From: "nick doyle" Subject: RE: Quick review well, that's not really an argument. judging songs by saying "i can't write a song like that, so i can't really judge it" is, well, silly. if that were the case, there would be no discussion. do i think that robbie and mike are great songwriters? yes. do i think that the songs on quick are some of the weakest they've ever done? yes. i don't judge the songs against the craft of songwriting; i judge the songs against robbie and mike's past songwriting achievments, and i think they've done much better in the past. i think that fishbowl was probably a pinnacle, and quick doesn't even come close to surpassing it. but, that's just my opinion. >From: "Cryan, Lauren B" >To: edheads@efohio.com >Subject: RE: Quick review >Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 09:45:05 -0400 > >DAMMIT, I LOVE Mesolithic, Sarahs, Candido,... >True, everyone is entitled to an opinion, and there >are a few songs I'm not crazy about either, >like Fairy Tale Thunder and Town about Hats, >(hee hee hee for those of you dinosaur fans like me) >but have any of you negative critics actually written a song? >Before we are so quick to judge, let's just stop >and appreciate the level of talent that goes into >song writing, generally, especially the talent of EFO. >Sure, maybe the lyrics of Little Man are "simple" >or cheesy, or whatever it was that someone said, >but if you're going to comment on that, then I'd like >to point out the difficulty of writing a four-part harmony >a capella song. It's a huge acomplishment and I'm >totally impressed. Let's also not forget that Robbie >and Mike are brilliant song writers (Robbie, melodically >and Mike lyrically, in my opinion). Even if you don't like >Mesolithic or Sarahs, or whatever, at least stop and >think about what brilliant creations they are, and >let's not lose sight of the band's brilliant talent >to make beautiful music. Cheers, >Lauren > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: carl.simmons@martindale.com [SMTP:carl.simmons@martindale.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 08:11 > > To: edheads@efohio.com > > Subject: RE: Quick review > > > > "....and as a duet Robbie and Julie's vocal personas don't quite match. > > Robbie has an extra gravely caveman growl, but Julie sounds like. . >.well, > > Julie (a > > wonderful thing!) but does it fit?" > > > > Two words: "Bonny Brook". But I know what you mean about >"Mesolithic".... > > Carl Simmons _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:28:08 -0400 From: carl.simmons@martindale.com Subject: RE: Quick review > 1) Yes, plenty of 'em, although that's really neither here nor there either way - but if you wanna use songwriting experience as a prerequisite for having an opinion about someone else's songs, then yes; 2) there's a world of difference, interrelated though they may often be, between songwriting and arranging (even between instrumental and vocal arranging, for that matter, as you pretty much alluded below) - yes, EFO is talented enough to do both (or all three, for that matter), but that doesn't mean they always do them simultaneously, let alone equally well at all times; 3) who's losing sight of anything? I'd think being on this list'd be a pretty firm acknowledgement of the sadly-little-known fact that EFO rules. Nonetheless, as you said before adding yr own :-), "everyone is entitled to an opinion"... Carl Simmons wasn't the "cheesy" guy but has weighed in on Mesolithic (& the general Mike Quick output) a couple times already, & thus is feeling all defensive & stuff :-) Lauren started cryan: "DAMMIT, I LOVE Mesolithic, Sarahs, Candido,... True, everyone is entitled to an opinion, and there are a few songs I'm not crazy about either, like Fairy Tale Thunder and Town about Hats, (hee hee hee for those of you dinosaur fans like me) but have any of you negative critics actually written a song? "Before we are so quick to judge, let's just stop and appreciate the level of talent that goes into song writing, generally, especially the talent of EFO. Sure, maybe the lyrics of Little Man are "simple" or cheesy, or whatever it was that someone said, but if you're going to comment on that, then I'd like to point out the difficulty of writing a four-part harmony a capella song. It's a huge acomplishment and I'm totally impressed. Let's also not forget that Robbie and Mike are brilliant song writers (Robbie, melodically and Mike lyrically, in my opinion). Even if you don't like Mesolithic or Sarahs, or whatever, at least stop and think about what brilliant creations they are, and let's not lose sight of the band's brilliant talent to make beautiful music." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:33:09 -0400 From: "Cryan, Lauren B" Subject: RE: Quick review You're missing my point as my comments weren't intended as an argument. As I've already stated, certainly there are some EFO songs I'm not crazy about, but I just wanted to balance out the negative with some positive feedback and point out what some people may not appreciate. I appreciate your comparisons between Quick and Fishbowl. Quick is still too new for me to compare it with Fishbowl. > -----Original Message----- > From: nick doyle [SMTP:nick_doyle@hotmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 10:19 > To: edheads@efohio.com > Subject: RE: Quick review > > well, that's not really an argument. judging songs by saying "i can't > write > a song like that, so i can't really judge it" is, well, silly. if that > were > the case, there would be no discussion. do i think that robbie and mike > are > great songwriters? yes. do i think that the songs on quick are some of the > > weakest they've ever done? yes. i don't judge the songs against the craft > of > songwriting; i judge the songs against robbie and mike's past songwriting > achievments, and i think they've done much better in the past. i think > that > fishbowl was probably a pinnacle, and quick doesn't even come close to > surpassing it. > but, that's just my opinion. > > > >From: "Cryan, Lauren B" > >To: edheads@efohio.com > >Subject: RE: Quick review > >Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 09:45:05 -0400 > > > >DAMMIT, I LOVE Mesolithic, Sarahs, Candido,... > >True, everyone is entitled to an opinion, and there > >are a few songs I'm not crazy about either, > >like Fairy Tale Thunder and Town about Hats, > >(hee hee hee for those of you dinosaur fans like me) > >but have any of you negative critics actually written a song? > >Before we are so quick to judge, let's just stop > >and appreciate the level of talent that goes into > >song writing, generally, especially the talent of EFO. > >Sure, maybe the lyrics of Little Man are "simple" > >or cheesy, or whatever it was that someone said, > >but if you're going to comment on that, then I'd like > >to point out the difficulty of writing a four-part harmony > >a capella song. It's a huge acomplishment and I'm > >totally impressed. Let's also not forget that Robbie > >and Mike are brilliant song writers (Robbie, melodically > >and Mike lyrically, in my opinion). Even if you don't like > >Mesolithic or Sarahs, or whatever, at least stop and > >think about what brilliant creations they are, and > >let's not lose sight of the band's brilliant talent > >to make beautiful music. Cheers, > >Lauren > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: carl.simmons@martindale.com > [SMTP:carl.simmons@martindale.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 08:11 > > > To: edheads@efohio.com > > > Subject: RE: Quick review > > > > > > "....and as a duet Robbie and Julie's vocal personas don't quite > match. > > > Robbie has an extra gravely caveman growl, but Julie sounds like. . > >.well, > > > Julie (a > > > wonderful thing!) but does it fit?" > > > > > > Two words: "Bonny Brook". But I know what you mean about > >"Mesolithic".... > > > Carl Simmons > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of edheads-digest V4 #126 *****************************