From: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com (edheads-digest) To: edheads-digest@smoe.org Subject: edheads-digest V3 #165 Reply-To: edheads@efohio.com Sender: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com Errors-To: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com Precedence: bulk edheads-digest Sunday, November 5 2000 Volume 03 : Number 165 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: A Fun Night in Santa Monica [Seth Hornstein ] Re: A Fun Night in Santa Monica (Seth) ["Ron Rosen" Subject: Re: A Fun Night in Santa Monica Ok, time for my comments on the McCabe's show: First the setlist: Old Dominion Loitering in the Lobby Woman of Faith Great Day 20,000 Hearts Monopoly Farmer Brown Bookends Hail Mary Shy of Redemption Atlantic Number 6 Driver Eddie Solo (on bongo's and drum kit) Irish Dream Stupid American Eddie's Concubine (encore) Operator Now for the review: The show was amazing. It was great mix of older material and new stuff. The details are pretty similar to the Santa Cruz show so I won't go into it too much. Eddie did have his drum kit set up in addition to the bongos/djembe setup. My vote is still out on that one. I LOVE the old sound of nothing but bongo's but agree that some of the newer sounds lend themselves better to a normal drum kit. I think if I was forced to make a decision though, I would lean towards the bongos only. I have to definitely agree with Matt in that Monopoly and Number 6 driver, are very polished now. I saw the band back in Virginia just after they came off the maternity leave and heard those two songs for the first time then (that was probably the first time they had been played by the whole band) I also noticed the absence of my suggestion for Robbie's Hitman. I guess the band didn't agree with me that it would be a great song for the whole band to play. Oh well, maybe some day I can corner Robbie and make him play it for me! :) I should also note, that the band mentioned they had just flow in to California from Virginia THAT day. Anyone who has made that trip knows that it is not a relaxing trip to make. To deal with the travel and the time zone change, and still play two full sets packed with energy won them alot of respect in my mind. Finally, I took two EFO virgins to the show and they both came out praising the band. Interesting story: One of them asked me a question on the way out that I thought was rather funny. He noted that they "seemed to have alot of religious songs." (Operator,Great Day, Woman of Faith, Hail Mary, small section in Farmer Brown) I told him that while they do have a handful of religious songs in their repertoire this show seemed to have a high percentage of them. So now this guy thinks that EFO is a religious band....rather ironic don't you think? I wonder if other people who have only heard EFO in concert and not heard the CD's come away with the same feelings? Ok, For those of you who have made it this far, please allow me to get up on my soapbox for a moment and go on a tirade: As far as venues go, McCabes has a few advantages and some definate disadvantages. The "concert hall" is actually just the back room of a guitar shop so there is really no bad seat in the house. The acoustics were great and it was nice to be able to sit so close to the stage. I don't think I have ever seen EFO in such a "close" environment and it was definitely a treat. However, there were some negatives to McCabes. First, the size factor that I was just praising also leads to some problems. Since they can't fit very many people in the room at one time, McCabes has been generous enough to hold two shows. While this is great for allowing more people to get to see the show, it also limits the amount of time for each show. With the first show at 8:00 and the second show at 10:00 each set can be no longer than 1:30 max. In fact, after EFO finished their first set and they walked off stage the house turned on all the lights as if to say "that's it, time for the first group to leave and the second group to shuffle in." However, EFO ran back down the stairs on to the stage to perform their encore. They even mentioned the fact that they (and Soundman Bob) were probably going to get in trouble for running over but they couldn't leave without doing an encore. (Thanks guys!!) The other negative about the show is that I found out the hard way that the guy who owns the sound equipment for McCabes is not a fan of board taping. When I got there, and asked him where I could setup, he got a bit mad at me and said that he only had one output and someone else was already taking it so I would not be allowed to tape. I asked him if it was ok if I just chained off of the first guy and he let out a big sigh and said "well, I guess you can but you'll have to ask him first." So I went to ask Paul Barr (who was the other taper) and he said of course I could chain off of him. When we got back to the soundroom, the soundguy came out and said "I've decided the answer is no. I already told Paul he could tape but I won't let anyone else back here." After begging and pleading, he finally relented a bit and said I could leave my equipment back there but would not be allowed back in the sound room so I would have to show Paul how to operate my equipment and make the necessary tape changes. Paul agreed it was no problem and said he would take care of it (Thanks Paul! I owe you one! In fact, Even though he was recording on a DAT tape that had plenty of time to cover the whole show on one tape, Paul watched his watch for me and went back to switch my minidisc out at the appropriate time so I would get the whole show! I owe you two!) So back to the soundguy, he mentioned that from then on, he was probably going to disallow taping at McCabe's. Let me just say "That sucks!" I have been taping EFO for the last three years and absolutely love having recorded memories of all the shows I have gone to. So now that I have moved to Southern California I will only get to see EFO roughly once a year. Add to that the news that I will possibly never get to tape them again and that leaves one very disappointed edhead. :( The Roxy in West Hollywood seems like it might be a great next step for EFO since they seem to be drawing larger and larger crowds in SoCal. Ok, off my soapbox...I now return you to your regularly scheduled email. adios all, keep folkin' around! Seth - ----------------------- Seth Hornstein seth@astro.ucla.edu UCLA Department of Physics & Astronomy Whether the chicken crossed the road or the road moved beneath the chicken depends upon your frame of reference. - -Albert Einstein ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 16:36:22 -0800 From: "Ron Rosen" Subject: Re: A Fun Night in Santa Monica (Seth) Good comments, Seth, and it was nice meeting you. Regarding your comment about the brevity of the set when there are two shows - Often at McCabes there is an opening act, so even if there is only one show, you usually will not get more than 1 1/2 hours. I saw Lucy Kaplansky there last week and with the opener, she only did about 1 1/2 hours. As for the Roxy, I don't know. Even though it's a larger venue, I doubt that it would draw the right crowd for EFO, and a lot of people who enjoy McCabes, might be put off by having to deal with the whole Hollywood thing. It's always a hassle to go to that area for a show. Sorry about your taping problems - Paul Barr is a nice guy, and a music maniac. Not only did he tape both EFO shows on Friday, he was at the Tish Hinojosa show last night, and drove up to Berkeley today for both EFO shows tonight! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Seth Hornstein" To: Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 3:53 PM Subject: Re: A Fun Night in Santa Monica > Ok, time for my comments on the McCabe's show: > > First the setlist: > Old Dominion > Loitering in the Lobby > Woman of Faith > Great Day > 20,000 Hearts > Monopoly > Farmer Brown > Bookends > Hail Mary Shy of Redemption > Atlantic > Number 6 Driver > Eddie Solo (on bongo's and drum kit) > Irish Dream > Stupid American > Eddie's Concubine > (encore) Operator > > Now for the review: > The show was amazing. It was great mix of older material and new stuff. > The details are pretty similar to the Santa Cruz show so I won't go into it > too much. Eddie did have his drum kit set up in addition to the > bongos/djembe setup. My vote is still out on that one. I LOVE the old sound > of nothing but bongo's but agree that some of the newer sounds lend > themselves better to a normal drum kit. I think if I was forced to make a > decision though, I would lean towards the bongos only. I have to definitely > agree with Matt in that Monopoly and Number 6 driver, are very polished > now. I saw the band back in Virginia just after they came off the maternity > leave and heard those two songs for the first time then (that was probably > the first time they had been played by the whole band) I also noticed the > absence of my suggestion for Robbie's Hitman. I guess the band didn't agree > with me that it would be a great song for the whole band to play. Oh well, > maybe some day I can corner Robbie and make him play it for me! :) > I should also note, that the band mentioned they had just flow in to > California from Virginia THAT day. Anyone who has made that trip knows that > it is not a relaxing trip to make. To deal with the travel and the time > zone change, and still play two full sets packed with energy won them alot > of respect in my mind. > Finally, I took two EFO virgins to the show and they both came out > praising the band. Interesting story: One of them asked me a question on > the way out that I thought was rather funny. He noted that they "seemed to > have alot of religious songs." (Operator,Great Day, Woman of Faith, Hail > Mary, small section in Farmer Brown) I told him that while they do have a > handful of religious songs in their repertoire this show seemed to have a > high percentage of them. So now this guy thinks that EFO is a religious > band....rather ironic don't you think? I wonder if other people who have > only heard EFO in concert and not heard the CD's come away with the same > feelings? > > Ok, For those of you who have made it this far, please allow me to get up > on my soapbox for a moment and go on a tirade: > As far as venues go, McCabes has a few advantages and some definate > disadvantages. The "concert hall" is actually just the back room of a > guitar shop so there is really no bad seat in the house. The acoustics were > great and it was nice to be able to sit so close to the stage. I don't > think I have ever seen EFO in such a "close" environment and it was > definitely a treat. > However, there were some negatives to McCabes. First, the size factor that > I was just praising also leads to some problems. Since they can't fit very > many people in the room at one time, McCabes has been generous enough to > hold two shows. While this is great for allowing more people to get to see > the show, it also limits the amount of time for each show. With the first > show at 8:00 and the second show at 10:00 each set can be no longer than > 1:30 max. In fact, after EFO finished their first set and they walked off > stage the house turned on all the lights as if to say "that's it, time for > the first group to leave and the second group to shuffle in." However, EFO > ran back down the stairs on to the stage to perform their encore. They even > mentioned the fact that they (and Soundman Bob) were probably going to get > in trouble for running over but they couldn't leave without doing an > encore. (Thanks guys!!) > The other negative about the show is that I found out the hard way that > the guy who owns the sound equipment for McCabes is not a fan of board > taping. When I got there, and asked him where I could setup, he got a bit > mad at me and said that he only had one output and someone else was already > taking it so I would not be allowed to tape. I asked him if it was ok if I > just chained off of the first guy and he let out a big sigh and said "well, > I guess you can but you'll have to ask him first." So I went to ask Paul > Barr (who was the other taper) and he said of course I could chain off of > him. When we got back to the soundroom, the soundguy came out and said > "I've decided the answer is no. I already told Paul he could tape but I > won't let anyone else back here." After begging and pleading, he finally > relented a bit and said I could leave my equipment back there but would not > be allowed back in the sound room so I would have to show Paul how to > operate my equipment and make the necessary tape changes. Paul agreed it > was no problem and said he would take care of it (Thanks Paul! I owe you > one! In fact, Even though he was recording on a DAT tape that had plenty of > time to cover the whole show on one tape, Paul watched his watch for me > and went back to switch my minidisc out at the appropriate time so I would > get the whole show! I owe you two!) So back to the soundguy, he mentioned > that from then on, he was probably going to disallow taping at McCabe's. > Let me just say "That sucks!" I have been taping EFO for the last three > years and absolutely love having recorded memories of all the shows I have > gone to. So now that I have moved to Southern California I will only get to > see EFO roughly once a year. Add to that the news that I will possibly > never get to tape them again and that leaves one very disappointed edhead. :( > The Roxy in West Hollywood seems like it might be a great next step for > EFO since they seem to be drawing larger and larger crowds in SoCal. > Ok, off my soapbox...I now return you to your regularly scheduled email. > > adios all, keep folkin' around! > Seth > > ----------------------- > Seth Hornstein > seth@astro.ucla.edu > UCLA Department of Physics & Astronomy > > Whether the chicken crossed the road or the road moved beneath the chicken > depends upon your frame of reference. > -Albert Einstein > > > ------------------------------ End of edheads-digest V3 #165 *****************************