From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #356 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Thursday, October 19 2000 Volume 03 : Number 356 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * eda-thoughts-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY * the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- ET: ....voting [Kara Garbe ] Re: ET: ....voting [JonBoy911@aol.com] ET: things [DrkShadws85@aol.com] ET: rev. righttime [shell ] ET: welcome back KARA-KARA!!!!! :) [shivergirl ] ET: you mean the US isn't the only country in the world? [Kara Garbe Subject: ET: ....voting hey hey hey again to all... so i browse the archives every so often and just had to get in on this voting thing that my favorite kat brought up, which of course required me to subscribe to the list, so here we go again... about the third party candidates. they're worth looking into. i personally know a lot of people who like nader a lot, but pretty much everyone who likes nader would rather vote for gore than bush, and they're so afraid that bush will win that they don't want to throw away their vote by voting for nader, who really has no chance of winning. BUT... and this goes for people who want nader, or buchanan, or anyone other than bush/gore... if you think the united states needs to break away from the two party system, then the only way to do this is to begin to vote for third party candidates yourself. to go back to the nader example, voting for nader may help bush to get elected, but if you let that stop you from voting for nader, then that's really short-sighted. our electoral system isn't going to change overnight. if nader can get even 5% in this election, then next time around people may be a little more willing to vote for 3rd party guys, and that kind of slow progress is the only thing that will change our system. some sacrifices have to be made for that process to go, even if that means that some of us have to "throw away" our votes right now. because even though voting for a 3rd party guy may be a throwaway in this election, in the long run that's the way that change is made. of course, if you really think that either bush or gore is the best man for the job, then go for it. but don't immediately cross the third party guys off the list. a public service announcement brought to you by kara (whose absentee ballot is sitting on the floor of her bedroom) _____________________________________________ Under your skin there's something beckoning; There's something that makes me believe in you. -heather nova ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:59:34 EDT From: JonBoy911@aol.com Subject: Re: ET: ....voting I just saw Russel Means speak on Monday night. He is a very outspoken American Indian rights activist. Someone asked him what he felt about the government and third party candidates and he said something that made a lot of since to me, so I'll share it with you all. "You hate an entire governmental system and how it's run, yet you go along with it?" And that is why I am voting third party, because I hate the system, and the Demopublicans don't get anything done, they fight it out in order to keep everything the same. I hate the fact that we live in a one party system, and that is why my vote will be third party, because if people thought that they weren't "throwing their vote away" then maybe we could surpass our governmental problems. In Peace, Jon Hamilton ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:15:08 EDT From: DrkShadws85@aol.com Subject: ET: things heres some...uh stuff - -another hole thats empty- i watch my fears fly over my head they came back they want me, i dont want them borrowed feelings ran out and i have to show my own this time im supposed to care because its about myself that makes me care even less im searching myself for what i need all i found is emptiness i must have hollowed myself long ago cant end it all waiting at the bus stop for the bus i know will never come im dreaming with my eyes open trying to get my body to go away trying to fake another smile for you no londer able to i frown i have hopeless thoughts its all going down the the deepest, darkest hole- where i prounced my soul dead long ago - -make me go go gone- im sorry im not like i used to be keep your silence though i hate myself enough as it is if i hate anymore itll and ill be gone crying eyes run sandy my hands wet reaching to myself to pull out anything i have left i read of other dead people wondering if i could get my name in that newspaper - -gas building- take me to the gas station and fill me up im running low on empty im ready to close my eyes and fall asleep falling off of the roof of a big building in my dreams - -lies to me- im zone out you wanted me to wander off i did i cried in the dark because i was hurt i was scared youd given up on me you almost did give me a list of theing you admire about me strength, caring, courage then i look in the mirror and see nothing im trying to tell myself itll be ok when i know it wont be - -confessions you wouldnt believe- if wat you say is so true bring your head up and meet my eyes i wander around, my lips not being able to meet my brain i stop trying to speak just letting myself fade into the corners i confess to them what really happened ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:56:16 -0700 (PDT) From: shell Subject: ET: rev. righttime Dear Angels, Okay, I need some help here. If there are any angels here from around the Flint area of Michigan, I need ya. There's this local band that just got signed to Atlantic records, Reverend Righttime and the 1st Cuzins of Funk. They're a kick ass band, and I need anybody here who knows who they are to help me out. Or, if you're around here and wanna know who they are, I'd like you too... So anybody around the flint or detroit area of michigan that knows who they are or would like to, please email me. thanks all! Court _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:24:53 -0400 From: shivergirl Subject: ET: welcome back KARA-KARA!!!!! :) what a nice surprise! :) the kara-kat finally comes back! notice it wasn't poh-etry but political discussion that lured her... ;) thanks for the common-sense public service announcement, even for those of us who's main political reality is not contingent (hopefully) on whether mr. boring or mr. cocky comes across better on tv. in other news, the lead guy from rage against the machine has quit. nobody answered me when i asked if anyone had seen their latest video, testify, but it deals directly with u.s. politics and the bore/gush election, even melding their faces/body into one amalgamated mush. even more eerie is how it shows little voice-overs from both of them saying exactly the same thing re: certain issues. on a final note, i have to say i have never seen a country more obsessed with its politics than the states. guess that's how you got to be the elephant. tarA. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:41:24 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: Kara Garbe Subject: ET: you mean the US isn't the only country in the world? the lovely tara-tara told us all, > on a final note, i have to say i have never seen a country more > obsessed > with its politics than the states. guess that's how you got to be the > elephant. what's funny is that i read tara's whole message having completely forgotten that she doesn't live in the u.s.... and yet she knows all about american politics... hmm... along these lines, i had a very frightening wake-up call this summer when i was traveling through europe (YES KAT! :) and i was on a bus with about 15 other people. i was there with a bunch of canadians, new zealanders, australians, south africans, and our scottish bus driver/tour guide man. now, mr. scotland decides that we should all sing our respective national anthems, because we have a boring drive back to edinburgh. the various groups begin to comply, so i'm sitting there happily being introduced to all of these other national anthems, which is pretty interesting, because i've never heard any of them before. then suddenly it's time for the united states anthem, at which point i realize i'm the only american on board. now i have a really hideous voice so i start to attempt to weasel out of the responsibility of singing. mr. scotland won't let me. finally i shamefacedly admit, "i um... i don't know all the words." oh horror of horrors. mr. scotland says, "okay, let's all help kara out. ready?" at which point the entire bus begins to hum and sing the star-spangled banner. i am absolutely flabbergasted. when they're done, i look at everyone and ask, "how did you guys know that?!" and one canadian girl turns around and gives me a horrible glare, then blurts out, "because your fucking culture is shoved in my face every single day!" of course i couldn't do anything before her hostility except stare back in silence. later on, i wished i'd have said, "it's not any more right for you to blame me, as america, for spreading my culture around the world, than it is for me to blame you, as the rest of the world, for being so hungry to eat it up." but that's a tangent. the point is that i can't even hum the national anthem of canada, my next-door neighbor, and yet there are people thousands of miles away in new zealand who know the words to the star-spangled banner. in a similar vein, at one point on my trip, this girl from australia started talking about chelsea clinton's going to stanford... and i realized, you know, i don't know even know if australia has a president vs. a prime minister, and here she is knowing the name of our president's daughter and what college she goes to. i couldn't name a single college in australia, much less a single political figure. and yet i was driving around in scotland, listening to scottish radio, and they were playing sound bites of american actors and musicians speaking to the united states congress. i'm not sure what my point is except that it's pretty scary how isolated we americans are. i didn't realize how extensive that isolation was until i left the country. maybe it's because we're so big, it's easy to ignore the outside world because it impinges so little on our daily lives. then again, i don't know, in my experience, canadians seem to be much more well-informed than americans, yet by that reasoning, they should be equally oblivious. who knows? just an observation. ~kara ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V3 #356 **********************************