From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #298 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Tuesday, August 15 2000 Volume 03 : Number 298 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * eda-thoughts-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY * the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- ET: Re: humanity ["Kevin B. Pease" ] ET: Re: ~silly poh-emm~ ;) ["Kevin B. Pease" ] Re: ET: ~silly poh-emm~ ;) [Naomi ] ET: letter to a lie [shell ] ET: Kerry takes flight *LAAA* ["* devil in a blue dress *" Subject: ET: Re: humanity Katherine writes: > [ . . . ] > and I started thinking, "wow, what really is stopping this from happening > again? From happening here?" then it hit me, Nothing. I wouldn't say "nothing"... there's lots of differences between America today & Nazi Germany... hell, there's a lot of differences between Nazi Germany and Germany today. I'd say that the simple fact that so many people are aware that the Holocaust happened and what it was is a big factor in making sure it doesn't happen again here. > the worst thing that > happened was that nobody tried to stop it and in a way they are just as > guilty as the ones who were killing. That's a pretty harsh condemnation, don't you think? There were plenty of people who tried to stop it, and plenty of people who aided Jewish people in hiding & escaping the Germans. And, of the people who did nothing to stop it, there's a lot of reasons why... to say that they are just as guilty as those who did the killing, well... at the risk of being politically incorrect, I think that's a bit too much. > The catholic church did > nothing and I'm supposed to be happy about this? As a group, nor did the Muslims, nor did the protestants, nor did the mormons, nor did the atheists, nor did the deists, nor did the agnostics, nor did the wiccans. Lots of individuals did lots of stuff about it, though. I don't think anybody's expecting or asking you to be "happy" about the fact that the Holocaust occurred, and that there wasn't as much hue & cry over it as there should have been. However, a simple look at human nature will explain that lack of hue & cry -- people are all too willing to overlook things that are going on so long as it's "not in their backyard" and so long as it doesn't affect them in any major way. That is simply the way people are. I'm not saying it's good or right, simply that it "is". That mentality is a big reason the Holocaust occurred without a lot of outcry. Couple that with the inclincation towards skepticism that a lot of people have -- "if I haven't seen it, if I haven't watched it occur, maybe this other person who is telling me about it is exaggerating..." -- you've got a really great potential for something like this to happen. > I was raised in the cathic > religion, although lately I have been exploring some other not so corrupted > religions (no offense to anyones beliefs)So I'm glad i've been doing that. I'll be honest, I'm not sure how you get from "the holocaust happened, and lots of people didn't do a whole lot about it at the time," to blaming Catholicism, to saying that Catholicism is corrupted. Yes, Catholicism has lots of issues to deal with... but most other organized religions do, as well, and Catholicism is certainly not "to blame" for the Holocaust. If we're talking genocides, there's plenty of other similar situations which you should also look into -- genocides & "purges" in Rwanda, East Timor, Cambodia, Vietnam, Burundi, Sierra Leone, Tibet, Argentina, Chile, Turkey, Yugoslavia... it's tragically nothing new, and it's unfortunately something which we hear very little about when it happens in little third world countries most of us couldn't find on a map if we tried. I've always found our treatment of the Jewish Holocaust as something that's "never happened before or since" to be rather peculiar, given the evidence of other genocides & mass killings elsewhere in the world throughout the past century. I guess the real question to ask, from what I can see, is not, "What's preventing this from happening again," to "What's preventing us from seeing that this has happened again." Kevin - -- Kevin Pease kbpease@concentric.net ICQ UIN: 3106063 AOL IM: kbpease ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 00:03:24 -0400 From: "Kevin B. Pease" Subject: ET: Re: ~silly poh-emm~ ;) "shivergirl" writes: > and kevin are you still on this list, thanks fer > the update.. Indeed, I'm still around, enjoying the poetry, and trying not to go insane with work. In fact, I have even been lured out of retirement with another post tonight. But most nights, that's me in the corner... :) Kev - -- Kevin Pease kbpease@concentric.net ICQ UIN: 3106063 AOL IM: kbpease ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:00:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Naomi Subject: Re: ET: ~silly poh-emm~ ;) > is nai still in bliss? very much in blissful euphoria. hehe. in love w/ my baby... who is leaving me in 2 days (moving 2hrs away to college). *snif, snif* but, it'll be okay. it'll be okay. i love you all... ever, nai. ===== "What is Desire? Desire is... complicated. One person always wants the other person more." -VS __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:02:13 -0700 (PDT) From: shell Subject: ET: letter to a lie Unfinished Letter to a Lie Dear You, Do be honest with you, I hate you. There is not a day that will go by where I will think highly of you. Ever. I can't fathom the idea of being nice to you. I have tried. Believe me, I have tried. But I can't. I am sorry about your daughter. I am. I'm sorry your life is so horrid. But your happiness is not my responsibility. You stole 5 years of something that was not yours to steal from to begin with. There is nothing you can do to redeem yourself. You can never gain back what you took from me. That was supposed to be the most important part of my life and you ruined it. And so I should forgive you because, woe is you, your life sucks? You didn't think about how it would affect me when you decided jacking off just wasn't quite enough for you. I have never done anything to you. I never did anything to you, though you ruined part of my life. I still do nothing to you, and you still feel you must be as cruel and rude as possible to me. AND I saved your ass. You were in for 3 months, when I could have put you away for at least 5 years. I saved your ass, and I haven't sought out the revenge that you deserve. The way I see it, you owe me. You can pay me back with your life. Because until the day I can see you in the ground and say "it's over. It's all over", I will not be satisfied. And rest assured that your death will come to you on painful wings. God will wreak vengence on you that I cannot. God will make you pay. So you can walk away an immorally free man, but you are alone. You will always be alone. Your daughter is dead. Your wife is dead. All you have is your leaching son, who also hates you. You have nobody. You are by yourself. You will die by yourself. You have nobody to tell you you're okay. I have people that love me. I have beauty. I have nothing to hide. I have friends. I have love. You have yourself. And you best pray your conscience kicks in and God forgives you, because nobody else will. ~~~~~~~~~~ If you didn't like it, lick mine, don't say so. Too personal. Court _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:41:13 MDT From: "* devil in a blue dress *" Subject: ET: Kerry takes flight *LAAA* Hi All I just got done reading all the emails from the weekend, very very good. Court I loved you ne poem, Kat, I hope all is well with the car, keep us updated. Shiver, as always your poems speak to me, I love the way you write =0) Seth, good luck, any one who has your love is a lucky lucky girl. Anywho, Im a happy girl, my baby and I spent the night at my house in each others arms and woke up together today. As pathetik as it is I am so sad to leave him for three days, my devisation level is through the roof on this one. But I am excited to go, Vegas for my sisters wedding, Oh i will be a mess of tears and smiles. I am so excited. I got my water, my crumb donuts, a breakfast of champions. Here's a poems, sappy love like one as always I suppose =0) Take care all and smile, lifes dreams will always come through Kerry*beaR ~The angel with two hands and at least one eye~ *~Without love, it dont mean a thing~* for the rest of my life i will be next to you to hold your hand and show you just how much you mean to me I will hold you while you dream wipe tears away when your blue and cover your body with a blanket of love * ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 21:05:52 -0400 From: "Seth D. Fulmer" Subject: ET: Sick Fairy Tale in French(poem) Hey everyone, How are you? Tonight I was in a wierd mood...ask a few of my friends online and they can attest. This is, if you've been following my poems for a while, just the same as my "Fairy tale" poems...where I use major juxtapositioning...But it's in french. As always I translate my french poems afterwards so just skip below to see what it is. If you don't want my poems, let me know and as always comments and all that jazz are welcome but not required. Thank you :) Take cares and Have a Great Day!! :o) -Seth ============================================ Sick Fairy Tale in French by Seth D. Fulmer 8/14/00 Je pense des epoques anciennes quand les chevaliers aimes par les dames battaient dans les guerres tres sacres et ils ont gagne un amour plus precieux Les fetes ont passe plusieurs journees et soirees Les nobles et les paysans ont danses tres longtemps Un chevalier tres fier a le courage avec une belle fille Il lui demande a etre sa dame d'honneur, et elle a repondue "oui" Le chevalier et la dame ont danses pour plusieurs heures mais puis, les forces ont attaque le chatteau en masse Il est alle pour defendre le chatteau et sa dame mais tous ce qui reviendrait de cette battail etait la reine et sa domestique, et tous les chevaliers etait morts La dame a pleure beaucoup, et le pretre ne pouvait l'aider Elle est allee au pharmacien pour du poison pour cette nuit Elle a bu cette poison et elle a vitement vu la lumiere Elle l'a trouvee dans le ciel, et son prince etait proche de soi La dame et le chevalier ont habites tres heureusement dans le ciel dans un chatteau avec les etoiles Ils ont fetes dans le matin, et aussi dans le midi mais chaque minuit, ils se sont promene par le lac ============================================ (English Translation Follows) I think of ages long ago past when the knights loved by the ladies battled in the holy wars and they won a love more precious The parties took place many days and nights The nobles and peasants danced for a long time A very brave knight had the courage with a beautiful girl He asked her to be his lady in waiting and she said "Yes" The knight and the lady danced for many hours but then the forces attacked the castle en masse He went to defend the castle and his lady but all that returned from this battle was the queen and her servant, and all the knights were dead The lady cried a lot, and the priest couldn't help her She went to the pharmacist for some poison for that night She drank that poison and she quickly saw the light She found herself in the sky/heaven, and her prince was near her The lady and the knight lived happily ever after in heaven in a castle amongst the stars They had parties in the morning and also in the midday But each midnight they would take walks by the lake ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V3 #298 **********************************