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Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: ET: It doesn't take much to write a Korn song ["Kevin Pease" Subject: Re: ET: It doesn't take much to write a Korn song "~* cymbaline *~" >If you're talking about songs that repeatedly say the F word, then I can >list almost all their songs. Yeah, you have 4 songs, and not one >of them say the F word... lemme guess. . . . while we're on the subject of repetitiveness . . . Kelly, we understand that you hate Korn, and think they suck. Thanks for your input. Some people agree, which is obvious. Some people disagree, which is obvious. Now relax, breathe deeply and hold . . . hold . . . hold . . . exhale . . . THERE... just let it go. You'd think that Korn ran over your dog and beat up your little sister or something, the way you're carrying on. Not liking a band's music is NOT a reason to get this excited. Kevin ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:27:44 GMT From: "Danielle Silveri" Subject: Re: ET: It doesn't take much to write a Korn song Shoots and Ladders is actually a really good song... if you actually know what the rhymes are about. Such as ring around the rosey... (as used in shoots and Ladders) its about disease spreading and people use to carry flowers and herbs in their pockets. They believed that these would keep them for getting sick. To get rid of the bodies they'd burn them. We as children sang and dance to these songs not knowing what they mean (most people still don't). Its actually a pretty morbid song. Today people will still sing along to it and not know what it means.. I find great irony in that... and who knows maybe Davis does too... Dani~ >If you're talking about songs that repeatedly say the F word, then I can >list almost all their songs. Yeah, you have 4 songs, and not one of them say >the F word... lemme guess. > >"Twist" (lyrics "twist...twist...twist...twist...twist....") > >and "Shoots and ladders" (lyrics "knick knack paddy whack give a dog a bone >this old man came rolling home" sound familiar? they cant even write their >own non cursing song, if the song has more than one or two words in it, or >more than just gibberish) > >Those are TWO of the VERY FEW songs that don't have the F word. > >ever hear "K@#0%"? "need to"? "clown"? "faget"? "ass itch"? i can keep >going. remember, i've listened to hours and hours of my friend blaring korn >in my car stereo, because she doesn't like anything i listen to. so i let >her choose the music, even though i hated it. > > > > >>From: "Seth D. Fulmer" >>To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org >>Subject: Re: ET: It doesn't take much to write a Korn song >>Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 23:22:54 -0400 >> >> Ok, this is in summary response to all the Korn posters...Find me(anyone) >>5 songs(they have well over 50..I don't know the exact # so 5 should not be >>difficult) that has that many curse words that were stated...and state the >>titles please. I have 4 songs from Korn on my computer and not a single >>one of them has the f word(implying fornication, intercourse, etc. so as >>not to create for myself a loophole). I also have access to my friend >>Amanda who listens to Korn quite a bit, has pretty much everything about >>them, and got me into them because my poems stated the same types of >>messages at the time. That is my challenge to you all(I shall label you >>"Korn haters" for lack of a better term) however. >> As for those of you who can't relate to the songs, you're frankly living >>under a rock. Everybody gets hurt by other people. I don't know too many >>people who can't honestly say they haven't felt like they were being >>dragged around and played by the world, or lost someone they loved for >>reasons known as fate. Boy Bands even...Britney Spears, Jessica Simpson, >>Backstreet Boys, NSync...My life enveloped their songs this past 2 weeks >>for the most part. Anybody who can't say they've played with someone's >>heart or had their heart played with are living under a rock as well. >>Anyone who hasn't wanted to tell that girl(or guy) who played with their >>heart "good bye"(or as NSync sings "byebyebye") is in my opinion utterly >>stupid! Anyone who hasn't wanted to be the object of another person's >>obsession is living under a rock or well if they're truly in that position >>and admitting it to me, I'd like to steal that life from you. >> Perhaps these bands have "sold themselves out" to write songs and don't >>care about writing songs for art but for money, but in any case what they >>sing about is felt by a LOT of people. I can honestly say in a day I can >>sing with feeling Lonestar's "Amazed", Aerosmith's "I don't wanna miss a >>thing", Celine Dion's "My heart will go on", NSync's "ByeByeBye", Britney >>Spears' "Oops I did it again" and her songs "Lucky" and "Born to make you >>happy", Jessica Simpson's "I wanna love you forever" and "Sweet Kisses", as >>well as probably 10-15 others that I haven't mentioned...with a >>passion..with feeling, because they apply to my(and a majority of others) >>lives out there. Take care everyone -Seth >>==================================================== >>At 01:56 AM 6/16/00 GMT, ~* cymbaline *~ wrote: >> >I find Korn highly offensive lyrically. >> >To show how much it DOESN'T take to write a Korn song, I will write a >>Korn >> >song.... maybe I'll even mail it to them, so they'll use it. >> > >> >My Korn song: >> > >> >you f*king bastard >> >you're a waste of my f*king time >> >sh*t sh*t >> >f*ck f*ck >> >why ya gotta rape me like that?! >> >f*ck you, bastard! >> >f*ck you bastard! >> >f*ck you, bastard! >> > >> >f*ck you, bastard! >> > >> >You're a peice of sh*t! >> >You're a piece of sh*t!! >> >Sh*t Sh*t Sh*t Sh*t!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> >I hope you die now >> >die before my eyes >> >I want to watch you die! >> >i hope you die >> >die before my eyes >> >I want to watch you die! >> >F*ck yes! >> >Die die die!!!! >> >I want to watch you die! >> > >> >-- >> >That my friends is the typical korn song.... now tell me whats so great >> >about them. I'd rather listen to new Kids on the Block. >> > >> >Kelly >> > >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:39:55 EDT From: BRONCOBAND@aol.com Subject: ET: Poem that I love...written by a friend I know I don't post a lot, and lately I have had no poetry...BUT, I felt the need to post this poem that I personally love, but maybe I am biased because it was written by a dear friend of mine. I didn't know he wrote like this. Comments would be loved because I want to know if ya'll like it as much as I do. Thanks and have a great day! Laura JADED MATE Broken and conquered I'll faithfully divide Years of Experience By willful pride Faded and fearful I fall to my desires Jaded and tearful Ive become a sanctful liar Meaning alone Is a search for trust Being alone Is sacrificed lust Sacrifice to much Means a Hellish fate Sacrifice enough Proves a heavenly trait Degrade Now tired and pushed Strength becomes illusion But weakness means resolve and bitter cold confusion Satisfaction on low Proves pain on high To be all that is Proves easier than to be this guy Now that whore is me But to prove a lie Would you still love me Without your reason why Now that whore is me But that's just a name Was depth and compassion What created this game Then the whore is all Who accepts her fate Who all will find Their jaded mate ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:16:11 EDT From: Spacelily3@aol.com Subject: Re: ET: It doesn't take much to write a Korn song >Not liking a band's music is NOT a reason to get this excited.< That's just it! Korn is not music! It's CRAP!!!!!!!!!! *Jes* ***Turning tears into oceans, words into sand*** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 18:54:31 GMT From: "~* cymbaline *~" Subject: Re: ET: Music Vs Crap (was: Korn..) > >Not liking a band's music is NOT > a reason to get this excited.< > >That's just it! Korn is not music! It's CRAP!!!!!!!!!! Phish. Now there's a band with talent... they're talneted in every way. The best guitarist, the best drummer, the best pianist, the best bassist, all in one band. The lyrics are pretty great too. (and they don't even curse every other second, in fact out of the Phish albums I own, I have yet to hear one "F***, Sh*t, Pi$$, ect. ect. ect.) I love Trey Anastasio... he's the best guitarist of today. I've been listening to the album "Rift" over and over for the past 2 months. Out of all the CDs I own, it is by far the best one. Phish rocks Kelly ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:54:57 EDT From: JonBoy911@aol.com Subject: Re: ET: It doesn't take much to write a Korn song In a message dated 06/16/2000 10:33:42 AM Mountain Daylight Time, space@jps.net writes: << Such as ring around the rosey... (as used in shoots and Ladders) its about disease spreading and people use to carry flowers and herbs in their pockets. They believed that these would keep them for getting sick. >> I just thought that you all should know this, I hate the spreading of false information, .....the posies(flowers) were not put in the pockets as a "cure", but the disease caused the flesh to rot while they were still alive, which did not smell very well. So, they carried flowers in their pockets to counteract the scent. Ring around the rosey, because they got red rings on their skin. The original rhyme(before being adapted as a children's rhyme) ends with, "We all fall dead". Namaste, Jon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:22:19 EDT From: W1GGY2@aol.com Subject: Re: ET: Music Vs Crap (was: Korn..) Know what the beautiful thing about music is (or poetry for that matter)? Different pieces speak to different people. I personally wouldn't know a Korn song if I tripped over it, but if someone finds value in it, gets something from it, or enjoys listening to it, than it has worth. AND for everyone that does like a song/poem/piece of art/play/movie/book there will be 5 people who hate it or think it's crap. That's why it's called art. There is no right and wrong here, just a bottomless pit of arguing and chest-thumping. If you dig it, do it! If you don't, don't. And, for the record, I would also never refer to Tori Amos as "happy music"!! I love listening to her when I'm depressed. AND EVERYONE ELSE SHOULD TOO! :-) Heheh, just kidding! amy, in her debut post on ET ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:32:53 GMT From: "Danielle Silveri" Subject: Re: ET: It doesn't take much to write a Korn song *GASP* Then my philosophy professor was wrong. Damn college classes giving you the wrong information and all.. tisk~tisk Dani~ >In a message dated 06/16/2000 10:33:42 AM Mountain Daylight Time, >space@jps.net writes: > ><< Such as ring around the rosey... (as used in shoots and > Ladders) its about disease spreading and people use to carry flowers and >herbs > in their pockets. They believed that these would keep them for getting sick. >>> > I just thought that you all should know this, I hate the spreading of >false information, .....the posies(flowers) were not put in the pockets as a >"cure", but the disease caused the flesh to rot while they were still alive, >which did not smell very well. So, they carried flowers in their pockets to >counteract the scent. Ring around the rosey, because they got red rings on >their skin. The original rhyme(before being adapted as a children's rhyme) >ends with, "We all fall dead". >Namaste, >Jon > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:30:02 -0500 From: zerocool@sunlink.net (Niki) Subject: ET: mr ben Dearest Ben ;-) Not much time but I want to address something that really irks me... I understand this whole money business thing. Not only that, but I understand WHY a band would do that... You have to know where your next meal is coming from and where you're going to be spending the night, and hey if it's at a five star restuarant and a five star hotel EVEN BETTER. I mean, if YOU had a band, and someone offered you a record deal with some nice benefits-don't tell me you wouldn't sign with them. And as for "field representatives whose whole purpose it is to SELL THOSE RECORDS to people" OF COURSE THERE ARE THOSE PEOPLE. What the heck good is a record that just sits in boxs??? Aghhhh. Everyone from Ani to ZZ Topp has people who work to sell their records!! And as for the 'youth who can't decide what to like" Well that isn't Billy's fault. That is the person's own mind working. Billy can't say 'Hey kiddo-we're a kewl band-you should go buy all our records" No way. And SP and Virgin most likely don't agree on what all Virgin does, but hey, you gotta take what you can get. And marketable music? I really don't think SP puts out marketable music... maybe back when they were first signed...but not today. Today it's the BSB and N'Sync. Definately not the SPs. "i mean, if we're too busy wondering what britney's wearing or what billy meant by that oh so clever lyrical turn of phrase" Don't even compare her to Billy. That's like comparing giving a hug and kiss to someone to ripping someone's arm off and beating them with it. NOT to say that Britney is like a hug and kiss and Billy is well...that whole thing was just to show the VAST difference between them. On a final note "to identify with so many, doesn't one have to be relatively ambiguous and nonspecific?" Well, here is my absolute favorite song in the whole wide world, hehe just happens to be written by Billy. I can totally relate to this song and I am SURE that 'so many' can relate to it too. Billy's lyrics are broad based and nonspecific, which is why he appeals to so many. Tonite Tonite Time is never time at all You can never ever leave Without leaving a piece of youth And our lives are forever changed We will never be the same The more you change the less you feel Believe Believe in me Believe That life can change That you're not stuck in vain We're not the same but different tonite Tonite so bright Tonight And you know you're never sure But you're sure you could be right If you held yourself up to the light And the embers never fade In the city by the lake The place where you were born Believe Believe in me Believe In the resolute urgency of now And if you believe there's not a chance tonite Tonite so bright Tonite We'll crucify the insincere tonite We'll make things right we'll feel it all tonite we'll find a way to offer up the night tonite the indescribable moments of your life tonite the impossible is possible tonite believe in me as i believe in you tonite.... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:36:16 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: ET: Re: KoRn rocks.......in your dreams In a message dated 6/16/00 7:07:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org writes: << Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 01:41:15 EDT From: DPS8315@aol.com Subject: ET: KoRn ROCKS! I love Korn they have the best lyrics and they just have so much meaning and the sound is great and i fucking love that one guy that does that one thing for them. >> Gee, if I say fuck and godamn over and over again does that make me a great lyricist? Gezzus, sometimes it seems as though, no matter what kind of nonmusical fodder people record, there's always somebody out there that actually values it. If somebody puked into a microphone would you like that too? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:39:59 -0500 From: zerocool@sunlink.net (Niki) Subject: ET: can't resist sometimes Okay here is my second favorite song by SP. Once again easy to relate to. And as for what Naomi said in a past post-you are absolutely right-'break stuff' is awesome on a shitty day. - -Niki Muzzle I fear that I am ordinary just like everyone To lie here and die among the sorrows Adrift among the days For everything I ever said And everything I've ever done is gone and dead As all things must surely have to end And great loves will one day have to part I know that I am meant for this world My life has been extraordinary blessed and cursed and won time heals but i'm forever broken By and by the way have you ever heard the words i'm singing in these songs it's for the girl I've loved all along can a taste of love be so wrong? as all things must surely have to end and great loves will one day have to part i know that i am meant for this world and in my mind as i was floating far above the clouds some children laughed i'd fall for certain for thinking that i'd last forever but i knew exactly where i was and i knew the meaning of it all and i knew the distance to the sun and i knew the echo that is love and i knew the secrets in your spires and i knew the emptiness of youth and i knew the solitude of heart and i knew the murmurs of the soul and the world is drawn into your hands and the world is etched upon your heart and the world so hard to understand is the world you can't live without and i knew the silence of the world... ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V3 #234 **********************************