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eda-thoughts-digest       Friday, June 16 2000       Volume 03 : Number 232




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                               Today's Subjects:
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  Re: [ET: what's wrong with koRn?]  ["Scott - 32 flavors ..and then some" <]
  Re: [ET: what's wrong with koRn?]  ["Seth D. Fulmer" <kaosking@voicenet.co]
  ET: new poem                                    ["Claudia" <jaelle@tin.it>]
  Re: [ET: what's wrong with koRn?]          [Naomi <restlessglow@yahoo.com>]
  Re: [ET: what's wrong with koRn?]          [shivergirl <tstevens@ican.net>]
  Re: [ET: what's wrong with koRn?]  ["~* cymbaline *~" <cymbaline76@hotmail]
  Re: [ET: what's wrong with koRn?] (Correction)  ["~* cymbaline *~" <cymbal]
  ET: Re: korn                                       [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com]
  ET: It doesn't take much to write a Korn song  ["~* cymbaline *~" <cymbali]
  ET: Re: mad music                                  [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com]
  ET: Re: death to Briteny                           [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com]
  ET: Re: i don't care for korn                      [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com]
  Re: ET: It doesn't take much to write a Korn song  ["Seth D. Fulmer" <kaos]

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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:23:47 -0400
From: "Scott - 32 flavors ..and then some" <jwlfan112@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [ET: what's wrong with koRn?]

I'm sorry.. You may have been on a mindless ramble.. But that made me
fucking LAUGH so HARD.. The day Ani Difranco is put on the happy music list
with Jewel and Sarah Mclachlan is the day that Joe agrees with everyone's
perspectives (and ya know it's true Joe...but that's good)

<<Ani DiFranco,...happy music like that bugs me when I'm like that.>>


      scott.evans  [[crazy is just YOU and ME.  AMPLIFIED.]]
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        Little Plastic Pages, my site [http://tanweb.com/scott]

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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:51:15 -0400
From: "Seth D. Fulmer" <kaosking@voicenet.com>
Subject: Re: [ET: what's wrong with koRn?]

	Hey, they're direct...When someone's upset/depressed they don't want a
song to insult something with analogies and metaphors but just come out and
say it...That's why I like Emminem as well because he gets the point of the
rap song out without using multiple verbosities or abstractions like "Your
soul is an ink stain" or "Your brother was a rosebud crossbred with a
carwreck"(not to diss Jewel[seriously speaking] but those lines if said to
me would make me laugh at the person saying them to me).  When I'm upset
about things, I don't want to think..I want to just curse the things that
are upsetting me.  Today alone I played "Falling away from me" 3 times in a
row because it said things so perfectly!  But then again I think I'd only
turn them down if they didn't say anything.  If someone just sings "F* you"
the whole time without a specific object or variances, then I may not like
them.  I believe no band is bad, however if the songs speak about something
in my life I will listen to it(even sing it perhaps) over and over.  I'm
not attacking with this post but just those lyrics are not Korn.  Maybe
some of their songs have the F word in them but I don't know of a single
song that they say anything of that nature(below).  hehe Although I do like
the first lyrics as I've said that to the screen to a few people already
the past 2 days(I'm better than you); singing that while staring(or
throwing darts at) a picture of someone really reduces stress tremendously.
- -Seth

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At 08:11 PM 6/15/00 GMT, ~* cymbaline *~ wrote:
>>>I'm sorry..but have you listened to their songs or even read any of their 
>>>lyrics??
>
>Yeah, they're great lyricists!! Check these lyrics out: !!
>
>"Fuck you. I'm fed up with you. I'm not as good as you. In fact I'm better 
>than you. <repeat, repeat, repeat>"
>
>"WHY DON'T YOU GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY FACE?!?!?!?!  Now?"
>
>They're lyrical genuises.
>
>-Cymbaline

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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 23:14:37 +0200
From: "Claudia" <jaelle@tin.it>
Subject: ET: new poem

The sky cries
and the stars look so sad tonight
because you're not here with me.
It's so easy to smile
when the sun makes everything
gold and bright.
But when the night descends
a velvet mantle falls on my heart
and your voice echos in a sweet lullaby
the wind and the trees play
for my lonely tears.
The air is warm and nice
but on my skin i feel only ice.
Night's caresses feel like needles
if i can't fall asleep in your arms.
The stars look like golden tears
in the dark sky
and my heart aches
because i can't see your smile.
I kiss the night's breeze
dreaming of touching your skin,
i close my eyes in the moonlight
and i see your love bringing
endless joy to my life.

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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:55:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Naomi <restlessglow@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ET: what's wrong with koRn?]

> I'm like that.  But music like Korn, Limp Biskit,
> Nirvana, Metallica,
> Creed, Garbage, Bush, Matchbox 20...all appeal to me
> when I'm upset.  Korn
> just like fits though no matter my mood because it
> speaks so much about my
> life in general.  Take care peoples :) -Seth
oh yes. you just can't beat limp bizkits "break stuff"
on a crappy day ;)


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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:37:40 -0400
From: shivergirl <tstevens@ican.net>
Subject: Re: [ET: what's wrong with koRn?]

genben@usa.net wrote:

> >
>
> everything is wrong with korn. gotta go with joe on this one.
>

doesn't tell me anything

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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 23:14:22 GMT
From: "~* cymbaline *~" <cymbaline76@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ET: what's wrong with koRn?]

>I'm
>not attacking with this post but just those lyrics are not Korn.  Maybe
>some of their songs have the F word in them but I don't know of a single
>song that they say anything of that nature(below).

Those lyrics are in fact Korn. Trust me. I've been through countless hours 
of my friend blasting Korn in my car stereo, to know that what I posted are 
in fact korn "lyrics".


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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 23:22:20 GMT
From: "~* cymbaline *~" <cymbaline76@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ET: what's wrong with koRn?] (Correction)

>Maybe
>some of their songs have the F word in them

ALL of them.

>but I don't know of a single
>song that they say anything of that nature(below).


Oh really? Check out the first album. (and here is my correection of the 
lyrics of posted):

"Fuck you. I'm fed up with you. I'm not as good as you. Fuck no, I'm better 
than you. <repeat, repeat, repeat>"

"WOULD YOU GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY FACE?!?!?!?!  Now?"



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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:44:45 EDT
From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com
Subject: ET: Re: korn

In a message dated 6/15/00 1:17:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org writes:

<< Date: 15 Jun 00 11:49:03 EDT
 From: genben@usa.net
 Subject: Re: [ET: what's wrong with koRn?]
 
 shivergirl <tstevens@ican.net> wrote:
 > 
 
 everything is wrong with korn. gotta go with joe on this one.
  >>

they're hopelessly bland and little more than a melody-less take on grunge.

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Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 01:56:29 GMT
From: "~* cymbaline *~" <cymbaline76@hotmail.com>
Subject: ET: It doesn't take much to write a Korn song

I find Korn highly offensive lyrically.
To show how much it DOESN'T take to write a Korn song, I will write a Korn 
song.... maybe I'll even mail it to them, so they'll use it.

My Korn song:

you f*king bastard
you're a waste of my f*king time
sh*t sh*t
f*ck f*ck
why ya gotta rape me like that?!
f*ck you, bastard!
f*ck you bastard!
f*ck you, bastard!
<gibberish>
f*ck you, bastard!
<gibberish>
You're a peice of sh*t!
You're a piece of sh*t!!
Sh*t Sh*t Sh*t Sh*t!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hope you die now
die before my eyes
I want to watch you die!
i hope you die
die before my eyes
I want to watch you die!
F*ck yes!
Die die die!!!!
I want to watch you die!
<gibberish>
- --
That my friends is the typical korn song.... now tell me whats so great 
about them. I'd rather listen to new Kids on the Block.

Kelly








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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:56:01 EDT
From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com
Subject: ET: Re: mad music

In a message dated 6/15/00 1:17:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org writes:

<<  I'm sorry..but have you listened to their songs or even read any of their
 lyrics??  I like Korn for the power embedded in their songs and how they
 equate to my life so well.  "Freak on a Leash", "Falling away from me"...I
 mean...These even work better to equate to my life than most of the Boy
 Band music out there.  When I'm depressed and/or upset about something, I
 will not listen to anything happy, and usually to anyone who says stuff
 like "Have a good day" I'll give the finger.  Hence music like Jewel, Tori
 Amos, Sarah McLachlan, Ani DiFranco,...happy music like that bugs me when
 I'm like that.  But music like Korn, Limp Biskit, Nirvana, Metallica,
 Creed, Garbage, Bush, Matchbox 20...all appeal to me when I'm upset.  Korn
 just like fits though no matter my mood because it speaks so much about my
 life in general.  Take care peoples :) -Seth >>


Happy? Sarah? Tori? Ani? Maybe Sarah can be happy, but Ani and Tori no way. 
At any rate, I would like to say that KoRn, Limp Bizkit, Bush, Matchbox 20, 
Bush, Creed, Garbage are as far as I can see, corporate packaged bullshit. 
Nirvana, a band of pioneering leagues and indie roots simply does not belong 
in that category. Shirly Manson from Garbage was at one time in the 
extravagent indie band Goodby Mr. McKenzie, but she was picked up by those 
three producers from who would make up the menfolk of Garbage and basically 
became involved in a bland, overproduced corporate sceme that became the 
Garbage monster, which trully sucks. And Metalica, well, just out of personal 
opinion I cannot stand them. I find them very cliche and I don't understand 
why people like them. That stuff ain't in any way, mad music with a passion, 
it's just blaring shit designed to appeal to mass audiences of bedroom 
rebels. Personally I am not an expert on abrasive music, but I would say 
Sonic Youth and The Pixies are about as far one needs to go. The Pixies 
trilogy "Gigantic"/"River Euphrates"/Where is My Mind?" is about the most 
terryfyingly gorgeous stuff to be heard as far as madness goes. Past Nirvana 
two new bands, Furslide and Verbena are awfully good.

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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:58:39 EDT
From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com
Subject: ET: Re: death to Briteny

In a message dated 6/15/00 1:17:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org writes:

<<  Let me call
 Brittany Spears a sellout for just a moment (I'm not sure if people here on
 this list like her music or whatever, but personally I think she's a
 sellout, but I know that there are people out there who like her and that's
 their business) >>


You're utterly correct. Spears has been traveling the country since she was 
in grade school, entering talent contests and just doing anything to "make 
it". She's a tootal sellout. Her music is what I call "sacraligious". (sp)

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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:00:38 EDT
From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com
Subject: ET: Re: i don't care for korn

In a message dated 6/15/00 1:17:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org writes:

<< 
 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:11:34 GMT
 From: "~* cymbaline *~" <cymbaline76@hotmail.com>
 Subject: Re: [ET: what's wrong with koRn?]
 
 >>I'm sorry..but have you listened to their songs or even read any of their 
 >>lyrics??
 
 Yeah, they're great lyricists!! Check these lyrics out: !!
 
 "Fuck you. I'm fed up with you. I'm not as good as you. In fact I'm better 
 than you. <repeat, repeat, repeat>"
 
 "WHY DON'T YOU GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY FACE?!?!?!?!  Now?"
 
 They're lyrical genuises. >>

>>>>>>>.

they're worthless pieces of shit who deserve to be hung on their own filthy 
ropes of bullshit.

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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 23:22:54 -0400
From: "Seth D. Fulmer" <kaosking@voicenet.com>
Subject: Re: ET: It doesn't take much to write a Korn song

	Ok, this is in summary response to all the Korn posters...Find me(anyone)
5 songs(they have well over 50..I don't know the exact # so 5 should not be
difficult) that has that many curse words that were stated...and state the
titles please.  I have 4 songs from Korn on my computer and not a single
one of them has the f word(implying fornication, intercourse, etc. so as
not to create for myself a loophole).  I also have access to my friend
Amanda who listens to Korn quite a bit, has pretty much everything about
them, and got me into them because my poems stated the same types of
messages at the time.  That is my challenge to you all(I shall label you
"Korn haters" for lack of a better term) however.  
	As for those of you who can't relate to the songs, you're frankly living
under a rock.  Everybody gets hurt by other people.  I don't know too many
people who can't honestly say they haven't felt like they were being
dragged around and played by the world, or lost someone they loved for
reasons known as fate.  Boy Bands even...Britney Spears, Jessica Simpson,
Backstreet Boys, NSync...My life enveloped their songs this past 2 weeks
for the most part.  Anybody who can't say they've played with someone's
heart or had their heart played with are living under a rock as well.
Anyone who hasn't wanted to tell that girl(or guy) who played with their
heart "good bye"(or as NSync sings "byebyebye") is in my opinion utterly
stupid!  Anyone who hasn't wanted to be the object of another person's
obsession is living under a rock or well if they're truly in that position
and admitting it to me, I'd like to steal that life from you.  
	Perhaps these bands have "sold themselves out" to write songs and don't
care about writing songs for art but for money, but in any case what they
sing about is felt by a LOT of people.  I can honestly say in a day I can
sing with feeling Lonestar's "Amazed", Aerosmith's "I don't wanna miss a
thing", Celine Dion's "My heart will go on", NSync's "ByeByeBye", Britney
Spears' "Oops I did it again" and her songs "Lucky" and "Born to make you
happy", Jessica Simpson's "I wanna love you forever" and "Sweet Kisses", as
well as probably 10-15 others that I haven't mentioned...with a
passion..with feeling, because they apply to my(and a majority of others)
lives out there. Take care everyone  -Seth
====================================================
At 01:56 AM 6/16/00 GMT, ~* cymbaline *~ wrote:
>I find Korn highly offensive lyrically.
>To show how much it DOESN'T take to write a Korn song, I will write a Korn 
>song.... maybe I'll even mail it to them, so they'll use it.
>
>My Korn song:
>
>you f*king bastard
>you're a waste of my f*king time
>sh*t sh*t
>f*ck f*ck
>why ya gotta rape me like that?!
>f*ck you, bastard!
>f*ck you bastard!
>f*ck you, bastard!
><gibberish>
>f*ck you, bastard!
><gibberish>
>You're a peice of sh*t!
>You're a piece of sh*t!!
>Sh*t Sh*t Sh*t Sh*t!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>I hope you die now
>die before my eyes
>I want to watch you die!
>i hope you die
>die before my eyes
>I want to watch you die!
>F*ck yes!
>Die die die!!!!
>I want to watch you die!
><gibberish>
>--
>That my friends is the typical korn song.... now tell me whats so great 
>about them. I'd rather listen to new Kids on the Block.
>
>Kelly

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