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Today's Subjects: ----------------- ET: karmic kares+krams [shivergirl ] ET: ~missing mythical hot chocolate&other magicial entities~ [shivergirl ] Re: [ET: what's wrong with koRn?] [genben@usa.net] Re: [ET: Re: billy corgan] [genben@usa.net] ET: Re: A local way we can help... ["Danielle Silveri"] Re: [ET: what's wrong with koRn?] ["Seth D. Fulmer" Subject: ET: karmic kares+krams scanning verbose verbiage about angelic auras and lack thereof down here on earth, i just want to send all my best selfless thoughts to martin, my cheerful lantern, who's recuperatin. i lub you, swedie. tee* + you, again 12 out of 27 numbers and men waiting for my swedish slice of heaven to begin on loan from god my blessings given tangibility in your human frailty can you hear 'can i wake up with you into eternity' when i ask the mundane and feeling oh-so far away 'how have you been?' + ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:23:03 -0400 From: shivergirl Subject: ET: ~missing mythical hot chocolate&other magicial entities~ i make columns of songs to classify my love defined versus my love done wrong + the call i never got picked up oh god the end could it have been different could i have prevented it? + pulling an all-nighter but failing the exam anyways these days you can't see me because she's standing in my way she's standing in front of me blocking me but i'm feeling a presence a poltergeist with my eyes closed as you wrap yourself around a fleeting thought a wisp of your memory unfolds + the home pregnancy test in the garbage at least it isn't a bona fide baby per say but maybe it would be psychologically if i was with child if she were with me yeah, then you know things might have been buried differently + ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jun 00 11:49:03 EDT From: genben@usa.net Subject: Re: [ET: what's wrong with koRn?] shivergirl wrote: > everything is wrong with korn. gotta go with joe on this one. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jun 00 12:08:12 EDT From: genben@usa.net Subject: Re: [ET: Re: billy corgan] as far as i, manager of an independent record store who does this for a living and is surrounded by music industry bullshit all day long, am concerned, the smashing pumpkins and billy corgan are a bunch of art snob wanker sellouts who do not deserve the adoration that they receive from their fans. these guys make FUCKING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OFF OF YOU. do you really think billy corgan is not part of the music business? he is as dependent on the industry as anyone else. his music is self-important obnoxious crap, and as far as joe's comment about broadening the scope of alternative rock radio, that wasn't his doing. that's what was selling in the early 90s, so that's what the stations played. period. the record business is a BUSINESS, moreso than i think a lot of us allow ourselves to believe. at the end of the day, this business is about money. period. that's why you see people like dr. dre talking about how napster is "taking food off of his children's plates." these artists have been duped by the system into believing that they actually DESERVE all the money they make. whatever happened to integrity and love of sound and constructing beautiful noises out of instruments crafted by human hands? we should all make the extra effort to support musicians and labels and retailers that are actually in this to enjoy a record instead of making money off of one. better yet, go get an instrument and some friends with instruments and make you own music. music is about love and sound and ritual and enjoying one another and celebration and all things beautiful. it's about expression and joy and pain and the marrow of life. it's not about billboard charts and celebrity and arena concerts and t-shirts and shit like that. find what you like and enjoy it for what it is, but realize that a whole lot of the stuff they shove down your throat is crap, and you have to see it as such. they have target audiences, marketing departments, and all sorts of trickery to sell you a record. the smashing pumpkins have promotional support and advertising schemes and shit just like britney spears or the backstreet boys. don't make it sound like it's four people in a van when smashing pumpkins tour, it's not. it's private jets and limos and luxury hotels and guest appearances on the simpsons. thanks to anyone who read this far, i need to vent sometimes. ben ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:19:46 GMT From: "Danielle Silveri" Subject: ET: Re: A local way we can help... I can bring some things down there with me. I'll drop them off at your house Jason *HEH*. I'm not really from the area, so I can't really go arounding starting things, but maybe you (as in anyone) could have show to raise money. Find some people who are willing to play for free. Talk to radio stations and see if they'll plug the event. Hold the show at a park .. something out doors. I think parks make you rent space out, I'm not sure...... but maybe you could talk with the people who run the park... and maybe they wont charge? Talk to the local news stations... things like that.. Come up with some way to get the people out~side of the list involved... But, that's just a thought. Dani(elle) > >This was brought to my attention through another >organization's (Support your Local Artists and >Musicians) mailing list and I thought I would submit >it to the list round abouts here for discussion. Does >this sound like something we could/would want to help >with? Here it is: > >*********Special Local Needs >There is a shelter in Costa Mesa that is currently in >special need of disposable razors and canned goods >(available at the 99c stores and swap >meets) for their guests that are being assisted in >their emergency housing dilemmas. > >There are up to 6 families sharing each small >apartment. > >Many have had to flee with their little children from >life threatening situations, in too much of a >desperate hurry to even be able to collect >any of their belongings. > >So they could also use any donations of infant to >adult size clothes and shoes, personal care and small >household items and appliances ( I was told >they have enough soap tho ) > >At this time, they don't have available storage for >furniture donations, so .....if anyone has storage >near Costa Mesa that could be make availabe >for this purpose, please notify them. >Also, at no cost to you (other than gas) many local >grocery stores will give you useable items with >damaged packaging that they would normally just >throw in the trash if you tell them you are willing to >deliver it to the shelter or give them the shelter's >phone number to arrange for pick up from volunteers > >I also noticed that the kids there don't have many >bikes, skates, helmets or outside play equiptment >and/or games. They are really sweet and need some >happiness to help make up for whatever they have been >and are currently going through. > >Since some will be staying there for 6 months, it >would be nice for them to have as many pleasant fun >diversions as possible. > >So if anyone has anything at all share, they would >really appreciate >it. > >Anything that they are not able to use will be donated >to Children's Hospital of Orange County. ( choc ) > >For further information on how you may help, please >call >949~631~7213 >Ps >No one requested any impractical items, but they would >probably enjoy >some >arts/crafts/music etc... >and inexpensive sparkly, glittery, colorful hair and >nail accessories >always >make little girls ( and their moms ) feel special >regardless of >circumstances >and some of your leftover fabrics can always be used >for costumes and >make >believe...which would help cheer up all the little >kids ( and their >parents ) >************** > >What do you think gang? > > >Jason V > > > >===== >EveryDay Angels Foundation (visit at www.edaf.org) > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! >http://photos.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:09:48 -0400 From: "Seth D. Fulmer" Subject: Re: [ET: what's wrong with koRn?] At 11:49 AM 6/15/00 EDT, genben@usa.net wrote: >shivergirl wrote: >> > >everything is wrong with korn. gotta go with joe on this one. I'm sorry..but have you listened to their songs or even read any of their lyrics?? I like Korn for the power embedded in their songs and how they equate to my life so well. "Freak on a Leash", "Falling away from me"...I mean...These even work better to equate to my life than most of the Boy Band music out there. When I'm depressed and/or upset about something, I will not listen to anything happy, and usually to anyone who says stuff like "Have a good day" I'll give the finger. Hence music like Jewel, Tori Amos, Sarah McLachlan, Ani DiFranco,...happy music like that bugs me when I'm like that. But music like Korn, Limp Biskit, Nirvana, Metallica, Creed, Garbage, Bush, Matchbox 20...all appeal to me when I'm upset. Korn just like fits though no matter my mood because it speaks so much about my life in general. Take care peoples :) -Seth "I thought you were special..I thought you should know" - Garbage, "Special" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:27:44 -0500 From: zerocool@sunlink.net (Niki) Subject: Re: [ET: Re: billy corgan] Whoaaaah! I haven't been following this whole vampire discussion but I did read something about Billy and one of his songs... I'd just like to say that I absolutely LOVE the Smashing Pumpkins! I'd like to ask you a question Ben- just how are the Pumpkins sellouts? I agree with you that they make millions of dollars off of their fans and whatnot (but so does Brittany Spears) but just how are they sellouts... A sellout is someone/something that changes to go along with the 'in' thing. And it may be just me but I'm not seeing him change his lyrics and music so he can open for N'Sync or the BSB. The Pumpkins are definately not sellouts. Their evolving-sure-I mean the stuff in the early 80's doesn't exactly sound like their latest album, but it's still the Pumpkins... Let me call Brittany Spears a sellout for just a moment (I'm not sure if people here on this list like her music or whatever, but personally I think she's a sellout, but I know that there are people out there who like her and that's their business) Okay so what you're saying is that since *for my example* Brittany Spears is a sellout, she doesn't and I quote "deserve the adoration she receives from her fans"? I mean even though I'm not exactly her biggest fan and all, I will admit that she can dance and she can sing and she is pretty. But I guess since she's a sellout she doesn't deserve all the money she gets. She has to work for her money and so do Billy and the rest of the Pumpkins. Both Brittany and Billy deserve the money they make. Every artist who busts their ass to write lyrics, put together albums, and put together vidoes deserves what money they make. And what's this? you're saying that Billy doesn't enjoy making music and writing? That's bullshit. I read enough interviews and seen enough concerts to assure you that he likes what he's doing. He isn't one to force himself to do something he doesn't like. And you say that this business is about making money. period. Hmm... well Jewel is raking in the money...I'll bet she's up there on cloud 9...oh wait.. hmm she gives her money to charity? SHE'S not doing it for the money... oh but I guess she must be because the business she's in is all about making money. Period. And on a final note I'd just like to say that it is a rare occurence for me to see the Pumpkins advertising. Niki >as far as i, manager of an independent record store who does this for a living >and is surrounded by music industry bullshit all day long, am concerned, the >smashing pumpkins and billy corgan are a bunch of art snob wanker sellouts who >do not deserve the adoration that they receive from their fans. these guys >make FUCKING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OFF OF YOU. do you really think billy corgan >is not part of the music business? he is as dependent on the industry as >anyone else. his music is self-important obnoxious crap, and as far as joe's >comment about broadening the scope of alternative rock radio, that wasn't his >doing. that's what was selling in the early 90s, so that's what the stations >played. period. the record business is a BUSINESS, moreso than i think a lot >of us allow ourselves to believe. at the end of the day, this business is >about money. period. that's why you see people like dr. dre talking about how >napster is "taking food off of his children's plates." these artists have been >duped by the system into believing that they actually DESERVE all the money >they make. whatever happened to integrity and love of sound and constructing >beautiful noises out of instruments crafted by human hands? we should all make >the extra effort to support musicians and labels and retailers that are >actually in this to enjoy a record instead of making money off of one. better >yet, go get an instrument and some friends with instruments and make you own >music. music is about love and sound and ritual and enjoying one another and >celebration and all things beautiful. it's about expression and joy and pain >and the marrow of life. it's not about billboard charts and celebrity and >arena concerts and t-shirts and shit like that. find what you like and enjoy >it for what it is, but realize that a whole lot of the stuff they shove down >your throat is crap, and you have to see it as such. they have target >audiences, marketing departments, and all sorts of trickery to sell you a >record. the smashing pumpkins have promotional support and advertising schemes >and shit just like britney spears or the backstreet boys. don't make it sound >like it's four people in a van when smashing pumpkins tour, it's not. it's >private jets and limos and luxury hotels and guest appearances on the >simpsons. thanks to anyone who read this far, i need to vent sometimes. > >ben > >____________________________________________________________________ >Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:06:30 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: Re: [ET: Re: billy corgan] Well, all I can say is i disagree, and let me tell you why. First of all I understand absolutely that the music buisness is about money and only money, and that the corporate promotional bullshit that involves the whole thing is just that, bullshit. My parents were in the most popular band in Tulsa for years, and I still remember a lot of it from when I was younger. They had a record deal which they ended up trashing cause of all the shit. I remember the annoyance and the pain and the musicians lamenting the hideousness of the buisness and how draining it is. Mainstream music pisses me off in a way I cannot describe. In fact, I would say I barely even touch anything that isn't indie now a days. But the issue of the Smashing Pumpkins i feel must be addressed. It is understandable that the indie world is down on mainstream artists. Cause most of them suck. They're machines. They're there to create an image for moronic mainstream fans to lick up. But the thing is, Smashing Pumpkins never went looking for that kind of corporate lifestyle. Billy Corgan played in and around the east coast underground scene in a band goth band called the Marked. James Iha was a huge Smiths fan. The band signed to an indie label, CAROLINE and made an indie album, Gish in 1991. So they came from the underground. It wasn't until all the Nirvana stuff happened and all of the sudden the band found themselves ushered into the mainstream. They could've refused the contract with VIrgin, but what would that have done? The chance to live securely and do what you love is something that anyone would go for. The fact is, SP's early records sound quite different from a lot of the early 90's grunge. It was unique, atmospheric and it had an edge to it. The endless parade of Nirvana/Pearl Jam bullshitters was without a doubt nothing but corporate crap, but SP, you must admit, had a VERY unique sound. And so, while SP surely got ushered into the mainstream, they never asked for it, and they sure did a good job of getting that Mariah Carey bullshit of the radio for a little while. Give em some credit. Joe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:11:34 GMT From: "~* cymbaline *~" Subject: Re: [ET: what's wrong with koRn?] >>I'm sorry..but have you listened to their songs or even read any of their >>lyrics?? Yeah, they're great lyricists!! Check these lyrics out: !! "Fuck you. I'm fed up with you. I'm not as good as you. In fact I'm better than you. " "WHY DON'T YOU GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY FACE?!?!?!?! Now?" They're lyrical genuises. - -Cymbaline ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V3 #231 **********************************