From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #228 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Tuesday, June 13 2000 Volume 03 : Number 228 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * eda-thoughts-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY * the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: ET: Re: vampire [Reecord2@aol.com] Re: ET: Re: vampire (Joe's Defense) [DPS8315@aol.com] Fwd: ET: Re: vampire (Joe's defense p2) [DPS8315@aol.com] ET: Bloodsucking Poets in Love... [Harrisbros@aol.com] ET: un-ex-pec-tad-lie ["Kerry Ekenstam" ] Re: ET: Re: vampire (Joe's Defense) ["Kevin Pease" ] ET: Re: the world is a vampire, sent to drain [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] ET: Judy Staring at the Sun [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] ET: *sigh* ["Dr. RomeAntic" ] ET: Joe is a vampire??? :))) ["Dr. RomeAntic" ] ET: powems [RJonthego@aol.com] ET: Ode to Erin(poem) ["Seth D. Fulmer" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 00:26:49 EDT From: Reecord2@aol.com Subject: Re: ET: Re: vampire Well I thought it was funny. Write your own world-class philisophic analysis of the work of poetry :-P ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 01:13:35 EDT From: DPS8315@aol.com Subject: Re: ET: Re: vampire (Joe's Defense) Joe, I dont like you. On a scale of one to ten I dont like you about 8. you irritate me when I think about it.. but aside from that, I dont care if you're dead, alive, or barely breathing. On the other hand, I do believe.. and although this may be a stretch.. I think your "so is the world" comment may have been a bonafide acceptance of what maggie was saying- that the world is indeed a lonely, blood thirsty place- my stretch being that you could have actually been extending her original metaphor- the lonliness is a vampire, that the world is a vampire, hence the world is a lonely place or at least that's how a willing participant in an intellectual forum might react- i've noticed however, and I may be wrong on this too, that Maggie, you are a bit overzealous... a little too defensive when it comes to any comment whatsoever, irregardless whether it is based in sarcasm or a more amiable constructive criticism, you've got serious issues. Joe, I hope you don't disappoint my valiant defense. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 01:15:33 EDT From: DPS8315@aol.com Subject: Fwd: ET: Re: vampire (Joe's defense p2) - --part1_64.39f505e.26771d75_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --part1_64.39f505e.26771d75_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: DPS8315@aol.com Full-name: DPS8315 Message-ID: <42.6b794e4.26771d5d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 01:15:09 EDT Subject: Re: ET: Re: vampire (Joe's defense p2) To: lunachik_@hotmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 110 Maggie- (removes foot from ass) noticed it wasn't your piece, and like I said I might have been wrong..but I remember commenting somewhere along the line and getting a nasty response..if it wasn't you then, I apologize. It wasn't you this time, I apologize. still, tone it just a bit aight? - --part1_64.39f505e.26771d75_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 02:46:31 EDT From: Harrisbros@aol.com Subject: ET: Bloodsucking Poets in Love... ***DPS8315@aol.com wrote: >Joe, I dont like you. On a scale of one to ten I dont like you about 8. >you irritate me when I think about it.. but aside from that, I dont care if >you're dead, alive, or barely breathing. So, can you tell us how do you REALLY feel about Joe? ;-) EDA thoughts. EveryDay Angel thoughts. Hmmm, works for me. Hey, EveryDay Angels have every right to every emotion, including anger and resentment. I appreciate people with opinions and emotions. I appreciate people who give things a little thought, too (writers usually fall into that category). About critiques and comment from others, well... to quote Bill Cosby, I think we should all have a Coke and a smile. But then again, my first thought about anything is typically a humorous one. Overly serious people make my ass hurt. People who can't laugh at themselves make it hurt a little worse. I guess poets naturally tend to fall on the painful side of my ass... A quick (honest, it's short) related story : Several years ago, Steph K. attended an annual EDA Bearsville campout. I spent the better part of the weekend making late night sheep noises and trying to get Steph to rewrite her poems so they would rhyme more, which in my layman's way of thinking, would make them work better and be more accessible to a larger audience. Steph was not initially amused, but did eventually make a token effort to appease me, however. The bottom line? "Baaa" always seems to best rhyme with "baaa" and Steph's poetry still doesn't rhyme very often. BTW, and a Pepsi and a smile works, too. Dennis, which rhymes with menace... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 00:23:32 MDT From: "Kerry Ekenstam" Subject: ET: un-ex-pec-tad-lie ~They are random, they are short, but their my thoughts!~ * you say you stole my heart but shhhhhhh i let you have it * it is simply said heavenly felt and very much observed i am loved * finaly the one i have waited for my fairytale love to fill my hoplessly romantic heart * dreams do come true just b e l i e v e * the greatest thing is I got to you without looking without thinking we found eachother with a small push from fate * ive never wanted to be held ive never needed to wake up with someone there but i dont want to be anywhere else but lying here in your arms * this little girls heart goes pit ter pat whenever you are near * this smile is all because of you * i cant even find the words to say how I feel I get thinking and I just sit and smile absorbed in every thought of you the way it feels to take your hand the way i find myself just staring at you tracing your every curve with my finger wondering how i was lucky enough to find this love * s o m e d a y * the problem is in trying to find the words i realize someone already said it best 'what's simple is true i love you' * the worst part of sleeping alone is your not there * tonight i will dream with my heart open * my world is now complete ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:53:47 EDT From: "Kevin Pease" Subject: Re: ET: Re: vampire (Joe's Defense) >From: DPS8315@aol.com >On the other hand, I do believe.. and although this may be a stretch.. I >think your "so is the world" comment may have been a bonafide >acceptance of what maggie was saying- that the world is indeed a >lonely, blood thirsty place- [...] And here we see plainly the reason why I do not even try to write poetry. :) I didn't consider the whole metaphor thing, and thought he was making an oblique reference to "Bullet With Butterfly Wings," by Smashing Pumpkins, whose first line is, "The world is a vampire / sent to drain..." Is it worth flipping out over, either way? I don't think so. As all the literature here at my company notes... "Past performance is no guarantee of future results." Just because Joe made some comments, once upon a time, that were nasty and/or rude, does not mean that every time he says something he's being mean, petty, and spiteful. Do I like Joe? Nah, not especially. Do I want him to be my drinking buddy? No way. Do I think there may be a little TOO MUCH being read into this last comment from him? You bet. Lighten up, folks... let bygones be bygones. Kevin - ---------- Kevin Pease kbpease@concentric.net ICQ UIN: 3106063 AOL IM: kbpease "Everybody asks me how she's doing / Has she really lost her mind? / I say, 'Hey, I couldn't tell you, I've lost mine. . . '" -----{Dave Matthews Band, "Pay For What You Get"}----- ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:56:05 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: ET: Re: the world is a vampire, sent to drain In a message dated 6/12/00 9:03:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org writes: << Wow. That was not only asinine and uncalled for, it was original! I would rather you commented on the incredible metaphor that is rather than point out your own idiocy. No offense. (yeah, right. I'm lying right there. You can just hear the sarcasm in my typing, can't you?!) >> >> Lighten up. You sound like someone from the thought police in "1984". ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:25:12 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: ET: Judy Staring at the Sun Smacked up again behind the door Beggind please give me some more A fame that's open for the day Feel the palse beneath the skin And smiling as it all begins Oh, where have you been Judy, starinmg at the sun? So ampliphy this little word She's a volume freak She hears as much as she can see And what she sees she can't believe It's just that judy needs a moment of release To get her peace Judt staring at the sun ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 23:50:22 +0200 From: "Dr. RomeAntic" Subject: ET: *sigh* I know it's not important, but still there's no way to describe how devastated I am and most of our little country. As some of you may know I come from a small young country called Slovenia and last year we succeeded in qualifying for European Soccer Championships 2000 that was the biggest team sport success in our history, where everybody has written us off as complete outsiders. In England bets were 200-1 against our country winning the championship, which of course was mot realistic to expect, but we aren't accidentally there. And just about half an hour ago our first match finished. We played Yugoslavia and humiliated them, dominated the field and were leading 3:0, 20 minutes into the second half. And then suddenly something gave... and 7 minutes later it was 3:3. Fireworks that were exploding around here like it was New Year's Eve, suddenly stopped and nobody could believe what just happened. The rest of the match we were better again, but the score hasn't changed. It was the historic event, that could've and should've ended so gloriously, but it was too good to be true. I'm not gonna get over this for a while, unless we win one of our next 2 matches, which will be even harder after this disaster. Realisticly if we were offered a draw, before the game we would take it, but after being the superior team for over 9/10 of the game and leading by 3 we can't help but feel disappointed even though scoring a point on such a huge event is a big deal, but this time we lost 2 even though Yugoslav team were the favorites. I guess it's called experience... I don't know. Sorry to bug yall, I just had to get it off my chest and this is the only place I know... - -- Have fun and stay beautiful Chim-Chim BubbleChunks A.K.A. Dr. RomeAntic, an angel with the worst stroke of luck and a flash of revelation who is totally bummed out. "Oh, no! If she couldn't sleep I know she'd tell herself that she might need A little time to stop her heart from bleeding so Like me, but I guess she's doing fine I wonder if she knows she's on my mind" Blessid Union Of Souls ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 00:16:04 +0200 From: "Dr. RomeAntic" Subject: ET: Joe is a vampire??? :))) I've been quite amused by this whole world is a vampire thing, since I immediately picked up on the refference. I guess some of you need an extra lesson in music education! :))) That was a classic one line opener. Although I didn't come up with it while reading the poem. Thumbs up Joe! :)) Oh and by the way... even if this would've been a ridicule... people who post should be prepeared to deal with that or add a note to their post that they do not wish any comments on their work. I know there's rarely a moment when ridicule and criticism go hand in hand, but did you read reviews of A Night Without Armor???????? What was that... 1 in 2 were making fun of Jewel not just the poems and most of the time there wasn't a shred of objective criticism... I do agree that even though she was a teenager when she wrote those I have read some much better poetry on this list from you people who are also in your teens... and mind you I really like the book! Oh and this time Joe didn't even get heat from the author (at least through the list) and that is even more interesting. I agree that we should stick together and help and support eachother... but comments on the other's work are essential regardless of their nature. 99% of the time there is at least a shred of truth behind them! True, nobody ripped apart even one of my poems yet, even though it would be refreshing to get a few pointers... but..... I won't beg for it! :))))) Let's all take a deep breath and get over this issue already... - -- Have fun and stay beautiful Chim-Chim BubbleChunks A.K.A. Dr. RomeAntic, an angel with the worst stroke of luck and a flash of revelation "Oh, no! If she couldn't sleep I know she'd tell herself that she might need A little time to stop her heart from bleeding so Like me, but I guess she's doing fine I wonder if she knows she's on my mind" Blessid Union Of Souls ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:10:05 EDT From: RJonthego@aol.com Subject: ET: powems I am looking for those words those perfect words looking for the why's the how's I am calling for them caressing and pounding them out of a drum. My neck arches and I feel sweat and anxiety drip down my back words aren't found here But I am speaking clearer than I ever have before. The perfection here isn't for the saying the scrutinizing the analyzing But for the feeling the being the healing Powers of a massage traveling over a distance carrying our bodies on the beat. I realized the perfection at work here made our voices louder than we could shout any words. ~~ I felt protected in that circle of arms of breathing and heart beats. I felt surrounded by warmth and people intent on being and on being the best they can be. You were sitting on the other side of the group and although I couldn't hold you, I thought maybe you could feel our connection pulsing through the linked bodies. and the most comforting thing was knowing you were thinking of me. ~~ We talk quickly of nothing while our voices gobble up the phone line we could have our backs to each other and not know it. The skye is not so blue the jasmine not so sweet this phone call not so good the second part to the nightmare dream that came before. I should remember that the next time it rings in the middle of the day. ~~ All of the moments that have made me me All of the words of defintion that I singscreamshout and whisper The hands with bracelets like they are choking in shackles I am choosing my indenture knowing my fingers will cramp Before I write myself free. ~~ What is calling to me in the middle of the morning? A dusty blur of movie scenes from a dream I didn't remember when I first woke up How is it that now, the stops have been opened as glad as I am that my pen is moving swiftly across the page again. ~~ Her voice dulls my face and pounds in my ears. while i scream on the inside telling her (to myself) how unjust she is. My eyes roll up to the top of my head as i turn off any sign of outward feeling letting it boil inside till i explode and run for the comfort of a hot shower where if tears trickle at least i can't tell. ~~ Was the pain in which I was born into (the pain of every baby) comparable at all to this? you storm to your room and sometimes i can hear you crying. i try to be courteous. i close the door and have worked hard to cry without noise. when i was born did you look at me with love? or were you too hurt still. whose were the first eyes upon me. whose were the first arms that held me. maybe there is that gap even now, a loss felt between us when you still do not see me. still don't hold me and even beyond that, restrict me from arms and eyes that WILL. ~~~ roya "you change like sugar cane, says my northern lad.." tori amos ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 21:25:34 -0400 From: "Seth D. Fulmer" Subject: ET: Ode to Erin(poem) Hey everyone, Ok, so like my life is messed up :/ If you really wanna know, let me know and I'll tell you but I don't think it's something to be blabbing around to people. I wrote this Sunday night after Erin left me off at my hotel. I didn't send this to her as well with the rest of you but I did send an e-card with this poem to her specifically(so I'm not some jerk). I hope you all like it. Comments, Questions, and the like are welcome but not required. Also, if you don't want my poetry anymore, let me know and I won't send it to you. Thank you very much! Take care and I hope you all have an excellent day! :o) -Seth ==================================== Ode to Erin by Seth D. Fulmer 6-11-00 You're such a sweet girl You really do deserve the world living with a man who would die just to be with you Kisses meant for seraphim A body just like Venus paying for things needlessly That kind of life is just saintly One day I promise you I will take you out with style Fancy limo, many candles, and more fine wine more than you can imagine Fire the cannons, shoot off the fireworks I do care for you, much the same as the goddess Once when the day comes, when I can see you every day You and I will make Guinevere and Richard look like novices You and I both are into computers We both dislike children We've both been screwed many times by those of the opposite gender You don't want marriage or kids and you don't like your body You value money like birdseed and by God's grace you like me Other females would never give me the current date or time of day You've given me much more than that, many kisses and new experiences I wish I could help you and give you the whole world make sure you never hurt any more and be so happy you don't care Those other guys who hurt you need never make you cry any more You're an angel, just believe it! I'm sorry if I ever hurt you. ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V3 #228 **********************************