From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #185 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Thursday, May 4 2000 Volume 03 : Number 185 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * eda-thoughts-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY * the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- ET: stop struggling part one [RJonthego@aol.com] ET: stop struggling part two [RJonthego@aol.com] ET: oregon trail [Katherine Alexandra ] Re: ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #183 [Summer Burton ] ET: Farewell ["stephen" ] Re: ET: Farewell ["Kevin Pease" ] ET: Why People are Beautiful(poem) ["Seth D. Fulmer" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 02:06:59 EDT From: RJonthego@aol.com Subject: ET: stop struggling part one and here i am, fighting against this thick swamp i seem to have fallen into. fighting towards the top, i will not let myself drown, but i can't help the little voice in my head that says "once you drown you will have rest" i kick my legs as i try to stay above, my legs cramp, my shoulder pulls with that tendonitis i never got rid of. i am feeling desperate now, as the thickness covers my nose and my mouth, i don't remember to call for help. i am here in the present, only able to think about _now_ trying to shove down the panic that rises in my brain, trying to keep my eyes at least level, at least open. i don't remember how i got here, how i fell in, how i lost my balance. but that doesn't matter now. am i like a trapped animal in quicksand? slow my breath, quiet my heart. that is the first thing you learn; not to struggle. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 02:07:50 EDT From: RJonthego@aol.com Subject: ET: stop struggling part two so i have stopped struggling, i am calming my pounding heart and concentrating on my destination. this is not a call for help. this is a declaration of selfishness and pride. the swamp is thick and swallows me even faster when i narrow my body and my eyes, it's funny that after all my concern of how people see me, i am now in this thick brown mud and can't even see myself. i am thinking irrelevant thoughts, wondering if this is really the right life that is flashing before my eyes. will i hit the bottom soon? will any sign of my early struggle linger? will i walk on the bottom till i find the door that lets me out into a white room with disinfectant, where i can fall asleep like a newborn behind a window, not knowing that i should be self conscious? i am thinking of white clarity even while i fall through this suffocating medium. maybe i should have fought longer, harder, before it was this late. maybe i should have tried a little more, maybe i could have heaved myself out of this, maybe i would have stayed above and clean a little while longer before i misplaced a step and fell in again. that is the one thing i am sure of now. that i would have ended up in here sometime. maybe that isn't a bad thing. maybe there will be room to breathe, if i could just find a place to rest.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 23:16:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Katherine Alexandra Subject: ET: oregon trail hihi i'm leaving tomorrow....i just wanted to say goodbye and that i will arrive in portland on may 14. i'll be back around then. wish me luck with the cross country drive. love, kat __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 22:59:40 -0700 From: Summer Burton Subject: Re: ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #183 >At 11:19 PM -0400 5/3/00, RedWoodenBeads@aol.com wrote: >{Stamps foot and puts hands on hips while making a pouty face}. Gee, when >will we goths get our well deserved respect!!!!!!!! Joe, there's no reason to mock. Really, give it a rest. It only makes YOU look bitter towards the rest of the list. Which maybe you are, and maybe you have reason to be... but don't flaunt it by teasing people, that's so uncool. ~summer - -- "there's a river of people that runs past my eyes and it's beautiful enough just to watch it go by" - -ani difranco ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 23:02:38 -0700 From: Summer Burton Subject: Re: ET: Re: ani and abortion >At 11:20 PM -0400 5/3/00, RedWoodenBeads@aol.com wrote: > >I know a lot of people like Ani's lyrics, but I find them rather poor. Too >self-focused. That's just my opinion, I know tons of people disagree. > >I do like Ani, quite a bit in fact, and I think what she has done in >independant music is tremendous. But as far as her musicianship, I think >she's somewhat overated. I mean, she is a very good guitarist, she has a real >different playing style, but her voice isn't that good and while she has >written good stuff, she's written a lot of mediocre stuff too. Anyways, >that's just my two cents...... Interesting. My dad felt the same way about her lyrics, except that he took it to the point where he strongly disliked her and refused to listen to her in the car... until I bought a concert ticket for him and forced him to see her live. Now he's a huge Ani fan, is always stealing my CDs, and has completely lost his criticisms. Whoo. I find that self-focused lyrics, while maybe slightly overdone, are often the most bonechilling and meaningful to me. When people try to write big whole world general songs, I find them more cliche-ridden and less passionate. - -Summer - -- "there's a river of people that runs past my eyes and it's beautiful enough just to watch it go by" - -ani difranco ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 07:06:21 -0400 From: "stephen" Subject: ET: Farewell The Prevalence of Alcohol Problems in the Population Alcohol-related problems are often believed to occur predominantly among "alcoholics" and problem drinkers (i.e. those normally described as showing a greater or lesser degree of dependence on alcohol). Such drinkers do indeed tend to experience many, often severe, problems related to alcohol, but in terms of the total impact on society as a whole it appears that most of the problems are contributed/experienced by regular, heavy drinkers who are not and may never become "alcoholics", combined with the results of intoxication experienced by a wide range of drinkers. This paradox occurs because although as individuals heavy and moderate drinkers experience fewer alcohol problems than do those who are alcohol dependent, there are so many more of them in the population that, collectively, they contribute the larger share of the total amount of harm, especially in relation to the social problems related to alcohol consumption. http://www.ias.org.uk/factsheets/default.htm this is probably the last email I will write to this list. I appreciate the help I received on here a long long time ago I'm sure many of you don't like me now and don't worry I already expect and expected all the things you are telling yourselves .. Next time I need help maybe I'll reach for Jack Daniel's ... Maybe then I will be satisfactory as a person.. just one final little thought before I go.. and I'm sure 99% of you won't even understand what I mean by this. But just imagine if you were the only person on earth that consumed alcohol. Think about it.. Think about going out with your friends and being the only one that has that beer or mixed drink Think about being at a party and being the only one that drinks Imagine going to a restaurant and everyone ordering Tea and you ordering tequila.. How would you feel?.. If it were like that.. If you were the one that was different how would you feel? How. Would. YOU. Feel? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 09:48:46 EDT From: "Kevin Pease" Subject: Re: ET: Farewell "stephen" writes: >this is probably the last email I will write to this list. I appreciate >the help I received on here a long long time ago Sorry to hear that you feel this is necessary. Might I ask WHY this melodramatic act is necessary? A disagreement over whether alcohol is "good" or "bad" seems a bit underwhelming, as far as reasons to storm off go. >I'm sure many of you don't like me now and don't worry I already expect >and expected all the things you are telling yourselves .. Why would we "not like you"? Again, why the melodrama? Just because you have a different mindset on an issue doesn't mean I don't like you, or that I hate you. >Next time I need help maybe I'll reach for Jack Daniel's ... >Maybe then I will be satisfactory as a person.. ?? Who said that that would be a viable solution? >just one final little thought before I go.. and I'm sure 99% of you >won't even understand what I mean by this. I don't mean to be rude, but do YOU understand what you mean by this? You're preaching to us about how alcohol causes abuse, and hurt, and pain... and now you're giving us an example of what basically amounts to "I've been pressured to drink alcohol, because everybody around me does, and I feel different, and it's all YOUR fault." >But just imagine if you were the only person on earth that consumed >alcohol. Think about it.. Think about going out with your friends and >being the only one that has that beer or mixed drink Think about being >at a party and being the only one that drinks Imagine going to a restaurant >and everyone ordering Tea and you ordering tequila.. >How would you feel?.. If it were like that.. >If you were the one that was different >how would you feel? How. Would. YOU. Feel? This may come off as unduly critical... but I'd like to THINK, at least, that I'd be secure enough in my own skin that I wouldn't CARE what everybody else thought of me. I'm really trying to understand, Stephen, but you're jumping from "alcohol induces abuse & makes people hurt themselves and others," to "I feel like the odd man out because I don't drink when I go out with my friends. You don't drink, fine. I salute you. But don't confuse "us drinking" with "us thinking you're a loser because you don't drink," please. Maybe you have friends who put a lot of pressure on you to drink, I don't know. But I haven't seen anybody saying, "Come on Steve, have a drink, you'll feel GOOOD..." on this list. So, one last time, why the meoldrama? Kevin - ---------- Kevin Pease kbpease@concentric.net ICQ UIN: 3106063 AOL IM: kbpease "Everybody asks me how she's doing / Has she really lost her mind? / I say, 'Hey, I couldn't tell you, I've lost mine. . . '" -----{Dave Matthews Band, "Pay For What You Get"}----- ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 10:40:46 -0400 From: "Seth D. Fulmer" Subject: ET: Why People are Beautiful(poem) Hey everyone, I wrote this last night/this morning after I signed off to go to bed. I dunno what I was thinking...for this one or the next one which I'll post. hehe I was messed up in the head(of course)...If you don't want to receive my poems, that's cool...just tell me. Take care and Have a Great Day! -Seth ==================================================== Why People are Beautiful by Seth D. Fulmer 5-3-00 Why people are beautiful is a reason yet untold Their eyes Their ears Their dimples and tears are way more powerful than words Why people are beautiful One can never give a reason Some one person can write a library of poems in a heartbeat Another person can just strip naked Some people are beautiful within with personalities shining with gold Another person can screw it up with only a few words without thinking the moment they say them. Other people's beauty is skin deep they can strip but are mean underneath Money and popularity does not make a person Alcohol and drugs do not either Only a single masterpiece can really make a ringer Heaven and Hell will define people It will divide the true winners and losers Those who had friends for their smiles and those who had friends for their IDs will each go in their proper place in time. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 10:43:15 -0400 From: "Seth D. Fulmer" Subject: ET: A walk through the Forest(poem) This one I wrote this morning just now. It survived in my mind several computer crashings too. You sorta have to look past the words to what I mean to see a bit of what's bugging me in life. Take care and Have a Great Day!! -Seth ================================================ A walk through the Forest by Seth D. Fulmer 5-4-00 I run through the forest I get stuck on a twig A little red robin redbreast lays her eggs by my ear I like this, I need help I'm barely able to move Yet all this little bird can do is think about her babies Maybe I ask too much of people Respect is a big thing I hear I'd just like to think though that I have friends I can count on A lizard goes to eat her eggs I put my hand in there to stop him What is the birds response except I get bitten in the hand How Rude! How amoral! I was only trying to help Why is it that even when I shouldn't yet I help, I get torn to shreds An angel comes along to save me I thank her with a hug She tells me to get lost before her husband comes along I asked her why she doesn't stop him She said that she's too scared I said I'd stay right here and kick his ass to Neptune I stay there in my spot alright, he comes along as planned Only instead of his going to Pluto My ass was torn to shreds. She stood there laughing and made love to him She failed to tell me she loved him she thought that I was hitting on her What a jerk! Why would she think that? What did I do to deserve this? Sometimes I think people get an idea and rely on it no matter how irrational I wonder where all my friends are They come when they have nobody else I wonder sometimes what I am a human or a circus toy. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 14:12:18 -0400 From: MrBB Subject: ET: MrBB:Jewel Invites You To A Very Special Event! Hi All, In a few days, thousands of Jewel's online fans who've previously made contact with JMerch (the jeweljk.com store) will be receiving a postcard in the mail containing some free Jewel stickers. This postcard will say: "Your Invitation To A Very Special Event" We want to personally invite each and every EDA to our special event, so here's the information, in advance, for everyone here. Beginning Wednesday May 17th, Auctions.com will host the first time ever official JEWEL AUCTION to benefit Higher Ground For Humanity (HGH). This is your chance to bid on many very collectible Jewel items including rare tapes (Yes, we have several REAL "Shiva Diva Doo Wop" cassettes!!), rare CDs (including staff-only 1998 Christmas CDs with UNRELEASED MUSIC and "Save The Linoleum"!), rare t-shirts (yes, some original Jewelstock t-shirts from Lenedra's private stash), Jewel's surfboard, her mountain bike and the list goes on and on!! There's a few things I'm not mentioning that will blow a few minds, I'm sure! ;-) Also, don't fear that everything will go at high prices because at the JEWEL AUCTION, you'll also be able to bid on JMerch merchandise that respects humanity & the Earth & buy it at your price! The auction will run for three weeks. To participate in the JEWEL AUCTION to benefit HGH or to enjoy viewing all the items, simply go to www.auctions.com/jewel.asp starting Wednesday, May 17th. It's that easy! Please tell others who might be interested and feel free to post this information everywhere appropriate including Jewel message boards & fansites. Thanks! Educate yourself about HGH at their website at: http://www.highergroundhumanity.org Good luck to everyone who participates and enjoy! Alan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 20:11:37 GMT From: "~* cymbaline *~" Subject: Re: ET: Farewell >Next time I need help maybe I'll reach for Jack Daniel's ... >Maybe then I will be satisfactory as a person.. Reach for a nice cold Guinness. Its Irish stout, and its great. >just one final little thought before I go.. and I'm sure 99% of you won't >even understand what I mean by this. > >But just imagine if you were the only person on earth >that consumed >alcohol. Think about it.. >Think about going out with your friends and being the >only one that has >that beer or mixed drink >Think about being at a party and being the only one >that drinks Imagine >going to a restaurant and everyone >ordering Tea and you ordering >tequila.. How would you feel?.. If it were like that.. >If you were the one that was different how would you >feel? How. Would. >YOU. Feel? Call me crazy, but I'd feel pretty damn good!! They wouldn't now what they're missing, and I like being different anyway. hell, the way I dress is so non-conforming... And just for the note of it... it'll never BE like that. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V3 #185 **********************************