From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #183 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Wednesday, May 3 2000 Volume 03 : Number 183 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * eda-thoughts-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY * the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- ET: alcohol ["stephen" ] Re: ET: alcohol ["~* cymbaline *~" ] Re: ET: alcohol ["Kevin Pease" ] Re: ET: alcohol ["~* cymbaline *~" ] ET: Re: beer [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] Re: ET: Re: beer ["~* cymbaline *~" ] Re: ET: Re: beer [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] ET: ani and abortion [Katherine Alexandra ] ET: RAWK [genben@usa.net] ET: UGH! [courtney gordon ] Re: ET: yum..... [zerocool@sunlink.net (Niki)] Re: ET: yum..... [zerocool@sunlink.net (Niki)] Re: ET: yum..... ["~* cymbaline *~" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 02:15:08 -0400 From: "stephen" Subject: ET: alcohol but don't let my rants and bitching stop anyone from drinking.. alcohol has done nothing but cause deaths,accidents, abuse, neglect, and humiliation in my family and it's history.. it has affected me beyond belief and i don't drink at all... I've had a cousin die because of it I've felt the abuse physically when i was younger from it.. and lots of other things that i refuse to talk about.. it is bad for you (.) and there is nothing good that comes from it! Goodbye EDA! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 14:59:17 GMT From: "~* cymbaline *~" Subject: Re: ET: alcohol You have no right to call me a "FUCKING DRUNK!!" when you don't even know me. You don't know me at all. And I never said Jesus was a drunk. Drinking wine at dinner doesn't make someone a drunk. Drinking on occassion doesn't make a physically abusive person, alcoholism does. There is a huge difference between drinking sometimes, and being an alcoholic. Just because you drink, it doesn't mean your an alchie! So don't stereotype everyone who likes the occassional glass of wine, or a few drinks on a saturday night "drunks". You can't wish me to hell either. Because you know what? when I die, I won't be in hell. I'm gonna be with the Lord. Kelly <>< ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 11:14:36 EDT From: "Kevin Pease" Subject: Re: ET: alcohol "stephen" writes: >but don't let my rants and bitching stop anyone from drinking.. alcohol >has done nothing but cause deaths,accidents, abuse, neglect, and >humiliation in my family and it's history.. it has affected me beyond >belief and i don't drink at all... I've had a cousin die because of it >I've felt the abuse physically when i was younger from it.. and lots >of other things that i refuse to talk about.. I'm sorry more than I can say that it has affected you this badly, Stephen. BUT (yes, there's always a but...) >it is bad for you (.) and there is nothing good that comes from it! While you feel that nothing good comes from it (and I'd be inclined to agree - nothing "good" does come from it, although there is some evidence that occasionaly moderate consumption has some health benefits), that does not mean that everything that comes from it is "bad". Plenty of people in the world drink, and do not drink & drive, hurt other people, or themselves, or whatever else you want to say is a result of drinking. I think that the blame for the "bad" stuff that comes from drinking can be more accurately laid at the feet of "carelessness" and "irresponsibility". LOTS of people drink. Lots of drinkers drink without doing something harmful to themselves, or others, while drinking. I enjoy a good beer now and then (Bass or Guinness, preferably) with dinner, and a mixed drink can be great on a warm summer evening. I have NEVER (read: "unequivocally, categorically NEVER", not "NEVER (been caught)") driven drunk -- If I am driving, I am absolutely sober. I have NEVER hurt someone else, or myself, while I'm drinking -- I stand a far greater chance of hurting someone or myself playing hockey on wednesday nights. I actually have hurt myself and other people doing that. Drinking is not a "bad" thing in and of itself. Drinking so much that you lose control, and then acting irresponsibly & carelessly... that is the "bad" that comes from drinking. But let's be honest -- people who are careless and irresponsible do not need to be drinking to act that way... Kevin - ---------- Kevin Pease kbpease@concentric.net ICQ UIN: 3106063 AOL IM: kbpease "Everybody asks me how she's doing / Has she really lost her mind? / I say, 'Hey, I couldn't tell you, I've lost mine. . . '" -----{Dave Matthews Band, "Pay For What You Get"}----- ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 15:43:01 GMT From: "~* cymbaline *~" Subject: Re: ET: alcohol I think there are far worse things to worry about than people drinking. Oh, and also for the note of it, I'd like to say on the list, that I really don't appreciate you accusing me of being a druggie, when I've only smoked pot, 6 or 7 times in my whole life. Kelly ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 11:42:50 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: ET: Re: beer In a message dated 5/2/00 9:02:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org writes: << >drinking alcohol is wrong.. period.. >there is no reason people should drink except to cover up their feelings or >give them something they don't know how to produce on their own.. like being >social.. >> I'm sorry dude, but beer rules, so deal with it. no longer cradled in gravity's memory still in and spinning in spiral drifts of endlessness spinning in torment into the garden of light - -Pale Saints "A Thousand Stars Burst Open" http://www.chickpages.com/musicmania/joepages ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 16:00:36 GMT From: "~* cymbaline *~" Subject: Re: ET: Re: beer >>I'm sorry dude, but beer rules, so deal with it. especially Guinness ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 12:02:46 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: Re: ET: Re: beer In a message dated 5/3/00 9:00:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cymbaline76@hotmail.com writes: << >>I'm sorry dude, but beer rules, so deal with it. especially Guinness ____________________ >> I mean, getting bombed is one thing, but a drink here and there is just a nice little thing to do. You know what the French say, a meal without wine is like a pool without water, or something like that....... no longer cradled in gravity's memory still in and spinning in spiral drifts of endlessness spinning in torment into the garden of light - -Pale Saints "A Thousand Stars Burst Open" http://www.chickpages.com/musicmania/joepages ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 09:11:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Katherine Alexandra Subject: ET: ani and abortion this is one of my favorite ani songs..thought i would put down the lyrics, sense we have been talking about indie stuff and abortion...awesome news, i get to see ani live in new orleans this saturday :) i'm happy lost woman song i opened a bank account when i was 9 years old, i closed it when i was 18. i gave them every penny that id saved and they gave me my blood,and my urine and i a number. now i'm sitting in this waiting room playing with the toys and i am here to EXCERCISE MY FREEDOM OF CHOICE. i passed their handheld signs, went through their picket lines, they gathered when they saw me coming, they shouted when they saw me cross. i said why dont you go home, just leave me alone, im just another woman lost, you are like fish in the water who dont know that they are wet, as far as i CAN TELL THE WORLD ISN'T PERFECT YET. his bored eyes were obcene. on his denim thighs a magazine. i wish he'd never come here with me, I WISH HE'D NEVER COME NEAR ME. i wish his shoulder wasn't touching mine. im growing older waiting in this line. some of lifes best lessons are learned at the worst times. under the fierce flourecent she offered her hand for me to hold, she offered stability, and calm and i was crushing her palm. through the pinch pull wincing, my smile unconvincing. on that sterile battlefield that sees only casualities, never heroes. my heart his absolute zero. lucille, your voice still sounds in me. mine was a relatively easy tragedy. now the profile of our country looks a little less hard nosed. but that picket line persisted and that clinics since closed. THEY KEEP POUNDING THEIR FISTS ON REALITY HOPING IT WILL BREAK, BUT I DONT THINK THERE'S ONE OF US WHO LEADES A LIFE FREE OF MISTAKES __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: 3 May 00 13:47:44 EDT From: genben@usa.net Subject: ET: RAWK agression builds and is released in a fury of sound swelling louder penetrating depths and expanding on angry riffs exploring edges of sonic experience expounding on exhausted passion feeling drenched i turn my ears away and stand in awe ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 16:28:40 -0400 (EDT) From: courtney gordon Subject: ET: UGH! Dear Angels, UGH! F*** me hard! (Not an invitation, promise, or threat, i just say that when I'm stressed) Stress #1 Okay, we're doing MEAP testing at school this week (Michigan Education Assesment Program) which is basically a huge 4 part test to rate our school. But if we get a really good grade and pass all of them (we do this every year) we get scholarship money. Stress #2 F*** me hard, 2 of my friends have recently brought up the thought of going through with suicide. And one of them is this dude that has done this before, and quite frankly it scares the shit out of me. Because much like some of us here, I dont' want to come home, get on line and find out from one of his friends that his funeral is in a couple God damned f***ing days. Stress 3. I'm getting oral surgery done which may not seem like a big deal to some of you, but I am getting an IV anesthetic. Whoppdee fucking do! *oops, sorry* I am terrified of needles, so this is a big problem for me. and stress #4, I have french and algebra homework up the God damned river and I don't get it! Oh, and top it all off, my boyfriend is being a dick. He's all whiney and pissed off at me because I've gone goth. I'm not wearing black dresses and such everywhere, and i won't dress that way around him because he doesn't like it, and the boy is 17 frikkin years old, and he's litterally whining about it! Words for the wise, don't every marry a guy. They're dicks. DOn't date one, don't marry one, don't look at them if you can help it. COurt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 17:02:07 -0500 From: zerocool@sunlink.net (Niki) Subject: Re: ET: yum..... Sweetie-you forgot peach schnopps. And if you haven't had one of those...well...I *highly* recommend it. Delicious! >You know what I love? > >Tequila Sunrises. >Marguiritas. >Sex on the Beach (the drink... not activity, lol) >Fuzzy Navels. >Pina Coladas. >Screwdrivers. >Strawberry Daquiris. >Cranberry Vodka. >Captain Morgan's Rum. (STRAIGHT!!!) >and... GUINNESS!! >Old English. >Mickie's >Southern Comfort. >Rumpelmints. >Yagermeister. > >I'm not a drunk... I just drink several times a year, in moderation, and >thats it. But when I do... I absolutely love those drinks! (and no, I don't >drink them all together. I mix my drinks well... and only drink a FEW, so I >get slightly BUZZED and not drunk!) and drunk> > > > > > > >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 17:21:03 -0500 From: zerocool@sunlink.net (Niki) Subject: Re: ET: yum..... Just thought all of you should see this. >From: "stephen" >To: "Niki" >Subject: Re: ET: yum..... >Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 17:17:18 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 > >I have looked it up.. they now sell a pill that is the same thing as the red >wine without the alcohol.. if it were the alcohol then every thing made from >alcohol would be good for you not just red wine. > >i hate all of you.. i really do.. you are doing nothing but poking fun at >me.. >i truly hope one day you see what is going on in this world.. you will never >know the extent of your abilities as a person or an individual because you >have already hindered it. > >i hope someone dear to you dies from alcohol poisoning or something related >to drugs or alcohol.. then maybe it will start to set in... > > >goodbye to all of you. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Niki" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 6:02 PM >Subject: Re: ET: yum..... > > >> Sweetie-you forgot peach schnopps. And if you haven't had one of >> those...well...I *highly* recommend it. Delicious! >> >> >> >You know what I love? >> > >> >Tequila Sunrises. >> >Marguiritas. >> >Sex on the Beach (the drink... not activity, lol) >> >Fuzzy Navels. >> >Pina Coladas. >> >Screwdrivers. >> >Strawberry Daquiris. >> >Cranberry Vodka. >> >Captain Morgan's Rum. (STRAIGHT!!!) >> >and... GUINNESS!! >> >Old English. >> >Mickie's >> >Southern Comfort. >> >Rumpelmints. >> >Yagermeister. >> > >> >I'm not a drunk... I just drink several times a year, in moderation, and >> >thats it. But when I do... I absolutely love those drinks! (and no, I >don't >> >drink them all together. I mix my drinks well... and only drink a FEW, so >I >> >get slightly BUZZED and not drunk!) > >and drunk> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >________________________________________________________________________ >> >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com >> >> >> > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 22:19:02 GMT From: "~* cymbaline *~" Subject: Re: ET: yum..... if we're gonna be forwarding messages, here's some y'all should see. - ---- From: "stephen" To: "~* cymbaline *~" Subject: Re: ET: morals Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 19:10:37 -0400 You don't get it either.. that's why i never should have started this conversation on this list.. Controlling your intake of alcohol? how do you know how much is enough.. you are basing all your assumptions of alcohol being bad on the moment (puking) not the long term affects.. not the mental affects.. not how it changes everything.. the mood of the dinner.. the things you talk about.. the intimidation it can have on some people.. there is a whole world of things most of us never think about when we drink.. it's fine to some extents, as long as you know what your doing?.. Aren't you the same person that did a lot of drugs.. ? I guess you knew what you were doing. Ever wonder why you like alcohol? does it taste good?.. I usually don't drink bitter things. the coke i buy isn't bitter.. neither is the cool-aid... maybe they should start making pine rosin flavored cool-aid.. or horse piss tea.. as far as what Jesus drank.. I don't really believe in all that stuff I have not seen enough proof.. the bible contradicts itself on the very first page. were you there when he drank it? and like you said you like it to be social.. even if you want to drink your doing it for the wrong reasons.. you know it totally impairs your judgment.. and I'm not talking about how to walk I'm talking about who you meet.. who becomes acceptable to you to associate with.. i wonder how many bf's you've had that were on drugs or alcohol.. I'm sure they were wonderful to you. sorry if I'm being mean and hurtful.. i think i should leave this list anyway. its way out of hand - --- >From: "stephen" >To: "~* cymbaline *~" >Subject: Re: ET: morals >Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 01:49:55 -0400 > >fuck you and the whoel goddamn list.. > >go to fucking hell > >I hate this fucking place >----- Original Message ----- >From: "~* cymbaline *~" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 9:03 PM >Subject: Re: ET: morals > > > > what you think is right is right for YOU. as Niki said. > > > > There is absolutely nothing wrong with drinking in moderation, > > occassionally. > > > > Maybe its you who doesn't get it. - --- From: "stephen" To: "~* cymbaline *~" Save Subject: Re: ET: morals Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 01:53:56 -0400 you are so fucking ignorant.. i guess some of us should kill our selves in moderation ALCOHOL IS A FUCKING DRUG... DUH!!! IT KILLS THOUSANDS OF BRAIN CELLS EVERYTIME YOU DRINK IT... AND WHEN YOU FEEL THAT BURNING SENSATION SOMETIMES THOSE ARE MICRO LESIONS BEING CAUSED ON YOUR THROAT.. HOW IN THE FUCKING NAME OF GOD IS THAT GOOD AND I NEVER READ WHERE JESUS WAS A FUCKING DRUNK.. THE SHIT COULD HAVE BEEN GRAPE JUICE FOR ALL WE KNOW.... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "~* cymbaline *~" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 9:03 PM Subject: Re: ET: morals >what you think is right is right for YOU. as Niki said. > >There is absolutely nothing wrong with drinking in moderation, >occassionally. > >Maybe its you who doesn't get it. - --- From: "stephen" To: "~* cymbaline *~" Save Subject: Re: ET: morals Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 CAUSE YOUR A FUCKING DRUNK.. AND I FUCKING HATE PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT DO NOTHING BUT TELL ME HOW STUPID I AM BECAUSE I DON'T DRINK... F...U...C..K.. Y..O..U.. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "~* cymbaline *~" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 9:10 PM Subject: ET: yum..... >You know what I love? > >Tequila Sunrises. >Marguiritas. >Sex on the Beach (the drink... not activity, lol) >Fuzzy Navels. >Pina Coladas. >Screwdrivers. >Strawberry Daquiris. >Cranberry Vodka. >Captain Morgan's Rum. (STRAIGHT!!!) >and... GUINNESS!! >Old English. >Mickie's >Southern Comfort. >Rumpelmints. >Yagermeister. > >I'm not a drunk... I just drink several times a year, in moderation, and >thats it. But when I do... I absolutely love those drinks! (and no, I don't >drink them all together. I mix my drinks well... and only drink a FEW, so I >get slightly BUZZED and not drunk!) and drunk> > >From: zerocool@sunlink.net (Niki) >To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org >Subject: Re: ET: yum..... >Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 17:21:03 -0500 > >Just thought all of you should see this. > > > > >From: "stephen" > >To: "Niki" > >Subject: Re: ET: yum..... > >Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 17:17:18 -0400 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >X-Priority: 3 > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 > > > >I have looked it up.. they now sell a pill that is the same thing as the >red > >wine without the alcohol.. if it were the alcohol then every thing made >from > >alcohol would be good for you not just red wine. > > > >i hate all of you.. i really do.. you are doing nothing but poking fun at > >me.. > >i truly hope one day you see what is going on in this world.. you will >never > >know the extent of your abilities as a person or an individual because >you > >have already hindered it. > > > >i hope someone dear to you dies from alcohol poisoning or something >related > >to drugs or alcohol.. then maybe it will start to set in... > > > > > >goodbye to all of you. > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Niki" > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 6:02 PM > >Subject: Re: ET: yum..... > > > > > >> Sweetie-you forgot peach schnopps. And if you haven't had one of > >> those...well...I *highly* recommend it. Delicious! > >> ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V3 #183 **********************************