From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #180 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Tuesday, May 2 2000 Volume 03 : Number 180 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * eda-thoughts-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY * the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #179 [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] ET: Re: Jeff Buckley [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #179 [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] ET: morality? [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] Re: ET: morality? ["~* cymbaline *~" ] Re: ET: morality? [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] Re: ET: morality? ["Seth D. Fulmer" ] ET: dancing around [Katherine Alexandra ] Re: ET: ooookay. [shivergirl ] ET: sharing kewlies#1 [shivergirl ] ET: no more mahallo [courtney gordon ] ET: moral ["stephen" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 00:03:43 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #179 In a message dated 4/30/00 9:02:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org writes: << Hurricane #1 - a brit-pop group... sorta Oasis style. >> do you listen to Ride? They're god no longer cradled in gravity's memory still in and spinning in spiral drifts of endlessness spinning in torment into the garden of light - -Pale Saints "A Thousand Stars Burst Open" http://www.chickpages.com/musicmania/joepages ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 00:06:05 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: ET: Re: Jeff Buckley I would like to take this oppurtunity to say that Jeff buckley is a genius. He's better than Ani Difranco, that's how good he is. Or should I say was. It's quite sad that he's left us.... no longer cradled in gravity's memory still in and spinning in spiral drifts of endlessness spinning in torment into the garden of light - -Pale Saints "A Thousand Stars Burst Open" http://www.chickpages.com/musicmania/joepages ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 00:05:06 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #179 In a message dated 4/30/00 9:02:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org writes: << Don't know where she's living these days, though Boston is as good a guess as any, I suppose. But yep, she started off in London, then Boston, singing in the subways. She's quite good, although her voice does grate on me at points, when it gets a little too whispery-sweet... >> God, I love sweet SWEET vocals, the purer the better no longer cradled in gravity's memory still in and spinning in spiral drifts of endlessness spinning in torment into the garden of light - -Pale Saints "A Thousand Stars Burst Open" http://www.chickpages.com/musicmania/joepages ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 00:18:03 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: ET: morality? Due to a lot of buisiness, and just having a lot of better things to do, I kinda stopped responding to all the stuff about abortion. But, in any case, it is a lovely late night, and I feel like making a point, and so I have a question.... Is morality relavent? Is it up for grabs? In a sense, does each person create his/her own morality? Furthermore, is this created morality bound only to that person, and void to others? no longer cradled in gravity's memory still in and spinning in spiral drifts of endlessness spinning in torment into the garden of light - -Pale Saints "A Thousand Stars Burst Open" http://www.chickpages.com/musicmania/joepages ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 13:39:32 GMT From: "~* cymbaline *~" Subject: Re: ET: morality? Yes. Everyone makes up their own morality I think. Morals have changed alot in the past 50 years anyway. My psychology teacher showed us an example. In 1950, a question was asked of 100 people. "Is sex before marriage okay?" 60 people said no. 30 people said yes. 10 people weren't sure. (okay I'm not sure of the exact statistics he used, but thats close enough). In 1990, the same question was asked. 60 people said yes. 30 people said no. 10 people weren't sure. What happened to our morals? I try to live my life morally right each day. I try to live by the morals the Bible teaches... to me, thats the moral guideline. Nothing else. if the Bible says its wrong, then its wrong. If the Bible says its right, its right. I know I'm not perfect, but at least I can try. And I'm living a hell of a lot different than i was a year ago. I was about to get into a long story about morlas clashing between an ex and I... but I don't really feel like it now. Lets just say, he dumped me because I decided it was wrong for me to have sex w/ him... when we had no real relationship. He thought it was okay to have sex just to have sex. That sex didn't need to be out of love.... if not until marriage, i want to at least be in a relationship thats based on love, trust, honesty, communication, understanding, emotional attraction.... that way it'll be for all the right reasons. but when its just for pleasure, and out of physical attraction, and nothing else. I think thats wrong. Peace, cymbaline ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 10:14:37 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: Re: ET: morality? In a message dated 5/1/00 6:40:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cymbaline76@hotmail.com writes: << Yes. Everyone makes up their own morality I think. Morals have changed alot in the past 50 years anyway. >> So in other words anything that I decide is moral, is moral in my world, and it doesn't matter what it is I decide, correct? No one can tell me what I am doing is wrong because they are forcing their "holier than thou" opinions on me, am I wrong? no longer cradled in gravity's memory still in and spinning in spiral drifts of endlessness spinning in torment into the garden of light - -Pale Saints "A Thousand Stars Burst Open" http://www.chickpages.com/musicmania/joepages ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 10:37:01 -0400 From: "Seth D. Fulmer" Subject: Re: ET: morality? I believe what was meant by everyone makes up their own morality is just that. So Joe, you're correct in that whatever you decide is moral, is moral in your world, but you're still responsible for the morality in the society in which you live. The morality of a society is the consensus of the moralities of each and every participant in the society. If a large enough majority of the society believes canibalism to be "moral", and you enter into that society, well I'm sorry but you're out of luck. If you were on your own island and someone entered into your "society", then they have to follow your society's morals, which would be exactly the same as your own personal morals. If there is no consensus of morality in a society, then anarchy exists. I do believe it is wrong to place a "holier than thou" attitude, but It is not my place to tell that to anyone, or I am no better than they are. I will tell people if I agree or disagree with what they do, but I will not tell people what they're doing is wrong unless it hurts me(directly or indirectly). Take care and Have a Great Day! Seth D. Fulmer mailto:kaosking@voicenet.com ================================================ At 10:14 AM 5/1/00 EDT, RedWoodenBeads@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 5/1/00 6:40:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >cymbaline76@hotmail.com writes: > ><< Yes. Everyone makes up their own morality I think. Morals have changed >alot in the past 50 years anyway. >> > >So in other words anything that I decide is moral, is moral in my world, and >it doesn't matter what it is I decide, correct? No one can tell me what I am >doing is wrong because they are forcing their "holier than thou" opinions on >me, am I wrong? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 11:43:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Katherine Alexandra Subject: ET: dancing around i am sitting here, in this old library. thinking about things that haven't come, . thinking about what i need to get done, what i need to buy, what i need to throw away. , not sure where to put them. haunting memories on all the street corners, . i am sitting here wondering about him and how long this can last. how long we can pretend to hold onto each other with mountains seperating us. and i am holding onto this pen, tapping it lightly....all i really want to do right now is dance, grab onto his arms and dance around, inside of this cold, damp library. dance around the cynics who have given me such resistence. dance around the liars who have forgotten the truth behind our existence. dance around the dreams which will be lost in time and around the desires which haven't even surfaced yet. untitled maybe i drove a little too fast and never noticed the open road or perhapd i was going too slow and stopped a little too long and then realized that you were gone maybe it is her, the mother who never knew how to wear an apron or perhaps it was him, the father with high expectations that he could never meet and now i am standing at the edge carrying the strength of my grandmother the fear of my sisters and i am questioning if this banana bread is going to make it if this lucky rabbits foot is special enough to hold onto me while i break down into tears so far away from home so far away from home so far away from home.... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 20:55:20 -0400 From: shivergirl Subject: Re: ET: ooookay. first off: great handle/addy. :) Mango Ara wrote: > oh man. can we all just shut up now. all of us, or just _some_ of us? ;) > really, no offense, but this thing is just going in circles. and sadly, they're not full. > i've found it's next to > impossible to change someone's mind. personally, my aim in writing and reading is never to change someone's mind or have my own drastically altered--but to have it broadened and stretched and challenged...like an elastic...i think it was mill who wrote about always debating even what is generally considered "truth," otherwise, it'll become rusty, set-in-stone untouchable doctrine with no spark or real meaning, just something exalted because other people have proclaimed it should be. > there was no point in me getting involved much and > getting upset -it's a futile effort. i disagree; i think it's important to add your point or raise your dissent, even if it's just to echo somebody else's thoughts... > i saw every kind of view, mine included, expressed without my getting my feet too > wet. as i've written before, some of you possess something called "restraint." ;) > i respect everyone's opinions, although a few people i would like to bap with a foam bat :) and we come to the part of the message that no one up to this point has expressed....so there's your point, isn't it? :)thank you for it. :) tarA. - -- many a doctrine is like a window pane. we see through it, but it divides us from the truth. ~khalil gibran, arab poh-et ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 20:55:58 -0400 From: shivergirl Subject: ET: sharing kewlies#1 ~family~ written by pierce pettis sung by dar williams can you fix this? it's a broken heart. it was fine, but it just fell apart. it was mine, but now i give it to you, cause you can fix it, you know what to do. let your love cover me, like a pair of angel wings, you are my family, you are my family. we stood outside in the summer rain, different people with a common pain. a simple box in that hard red clay, where we left him to always remain. let your love cover me, like a pair of angel wings, you are my family, you are my family. the child who played with the moon and stars waves a snatch of hay in a common barn, in the lonely house of adam's fall lies a child, it's just a child that's all, crying let your love cover me, like a pair of angel wings, you are my family, you are my family. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 22:01:06 -0400 (EDT) From: courtney gordon Subject: ET: no more mahallo Dear Angels, At the advice of two of my good friends, I have decided not to leave the list. Well, one was advising me, Chris was more just shouting it at me.("Don't leave the list!!!!!!!!!") I just thought I would share that with yall mahallo Court ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 22:48:48 -0400 From: "stephen" Subject: ET: moral I still think morality is simply that which makes better sense...especially in the long run..for the most part. ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V3 #180 **********************************