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eda-thoughts-digest       Sunday, April 30 2000       Volume 03 : Number 178




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                               Today's Subjects:
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  Re: ET: Re: Re: underpopulation  ["Chris Sylvester" <hwarrior99@hotmail.co]
  Re: ET: band yall might wanna check out (Creed)  [Annie <mhickman@erols.co]
  ET: Eclipse                                    [Annie <mhickman@erols.com>]
  ET: <my hero has forgotten my name>  [Katherine Alexandra <jackies_strengt]
  ET: poem (again)                     [courtney gordon <cmgordon2@juno.com>]

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Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 14:54:15 PDT
From: "Chris Sylvester" <hwarrior99@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: ET: Re: Re: underpopulation

- ----Original Message Follows----
From: "Kevin B. Pease" <kbpease@concentric.net>
To: <eda-thoughts@smoe.org>
Subject: ET: Re: Re: underpopulation
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 23:18:18 -0400

RedWoodenBeads@aol.com writes:
 > The real problem is abortion.

     Interesting argument.  Any facts to back it up?  What effect does
abortion have on a nation's birth rate?  I'd certainly be interested in
seeing any facts you have.  For instance, did America's birth rate drop
drastically after the Roe v Wade decision?  I'd think it didn't, but I'd
certainly like to hear any factual information you might have on the topic.

 > If we're going to kill children while they're
 > residing in their mother's womb because they are inconveniant, then why
not
 > kill them when they are newborns that keep us amake at night or when
they're
 > mischevous five year old?

<     Sounds like a good argument, but this doesn't work, Joe.  It's just a
pretty bit of rhetoric called a "slippery slope" argument -- because we do
X, then A, B, and C will surely follow!  It makes the hearts of people who
are worried about A, B, or C happening go pitter-patter, but more often than
not, it doesn't stand up to factual evidence.  The ability of a woman to
have an abortion has not, in the 20+ years it's been around, resulted in a
rash of murders & violence committed against 5 year old children, and
newborns.  How long does it take for a society where abortion is accepted to
begin committing these atrocities against 5 year olds and newborns?  Do you
have evidence of it happening, or that it has ever happened anywhere?
Again, I'd be most interested in hearing some facts to back this up.>



ALLRIGHT! YOU CAN QUIT SCROLLING DOWN NOW

ok.  just didn't want anybody to miss my view on the subject.
i'm not saying i'm that important, but if you WERE reading for my view, i 
would want you to stop.  ok

Actually, Kevin, I think Joe was more concerned with a moral issue in the 
above statement.  If I'm wrong about Joe's concern, then I withdraw this, 
and the following statment as irrelevant.

On a moral standard, Joe's argument makes perfect sense.  After all, if we 
can kill a child in the womb, why not kill it out?  That's what I believe he 
was trying to say.

OK SCROLL DOWN SOME MORE, BUT NOT ALL THE WAY! :)




 > Or why not wrip them out of their family's home at
 > night and send them back to opressive countries? Get my point?

    < No, I'm not sure how the case of one boy from Cuba has any bearing on
this discussion about overpopulation.

     But, as for whether or not we should be sending the boy back to an
"oppressive country", there's a rather interesting parallel between the
oppressiveness of a communist government and the oppressiveness of our "Just
Do It, Hungry Why Wait, Do The Dew, Kid Tested Mother Approved" capitalist
society, isn't there?  Choose your form of mind control:  industry or
government...  Not that I hate America, or think Cuba is wonderful (though I
must admit, I find it terrifically amusing that the Cuban American
protestors are chanting "Keep Elian in America" while waving a Cuban flag...
but that's neither here nor there... :)  let's be honest -- is there much
difference in the degree of "oppression" and "mind control" little Elian
would be subjected to, regardless of where he lives?>>

YOU CAN STOP NOW

just to get my view in here too, the Eliean thing pretty much boils down to 
this, for me:

Democracy= something resembling free speech and all that other stuff

Communism= none of the above

I know we're not perfect over here, but I feel it's better.  Please don't 
bite my head off.  thank you, goodnight
~Sly

>
     Kevin

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Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 19:56:28 -0400
From: Annie <mhickman@erols.com>
Subject: Re: ET: band yall might wanna check out (Creed)

>I know I'm probably in the minority on this list in musical tastes since I 
>tend to listen to 3 Doors Down, Metallica and the like more often than Jewel 
>type music (obviously, not an insult to Jewel, she's right next to Aeorsmith 
>in my CD case), but I think you'll kinda like the band Creed.

*L*  Don't feel like we all have to hold Jewel on a pedestal to be on this
list.  I happen to love all the bands you mentioned.  Even Creed.  But not
Aerosmith-that's the exception.

- -Annie

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Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 20:11:45 -0400
From: Annie <mhickman@erols.com>
Subject: ET: Eclipse

Today's inspired goobledeygoo.  Ladies, gentlemen, for your poetic pleasure,
I give you a piece of mine.

./././.

Eclipse

Holding death in high regard
Her soot-stained feet reach
An impasse

She catches breath in her lungs, like seaweed,
Fearing she has become a
Malignant incursion

Hands like negro ravens make a cross
Aryan, lily white against a dark bird breast
No more dehiscent

One, two, three magpies perched on the
Tomb's gutter, their stony story indeclinable
Indemnified against erosion

They make her cucking stool
But now she is a cryptonym with her
Throne usurped

The bony fingers of the dead
Leaves welts across her six by six
On Sundays, seven by seven for her sin

Succubus, incubus,
Invasion and tyranny of subconscious
I can see her in

A bed of silk and mahoganey exterior
Eyes like frozen ctenopheres
With man-o-war vein nettle

Every woman adores a barbarian

Rack, screw, flesh imbue
A salesman with
False tongue, glass eye

Selling death in bulk
Subtracting, cold calculating,
Succedaneum of feathery hands

He could deny her everything
Save the grave
With his black chiffon veil named Fate

'No matter, grey matter,
I loved infertile soil
Before my time, anyway', she'd say.

'I had a piece of
Nitrogen to give
And now I 

Am an angel
With plumage of
Flesh worms.'

Inheriting the kind of glory
Of a no-man's-land
Trench and biological

Warfare
Rivers where there should have been
Scars

Everything in its place
Coming in sevens and threes
Lighting a way by

Blazing Tarot cards and
Goose-stepping over
Barbed wire

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Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 20:06:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Katherine Alexandra <jackies_strength20@yahoo.com>
Subject: ET: <my hero has forgotten my name>

<my hero has forgotten my name>
my hero has forgotten my name. and i no longer know
what to do. if he needs me, i'll be hanging round with
the drinking. i'm going to hide under their lies and
stories. my hero has left in middle of the night, he
retreated into a cocoon. promising me rose gardens,
mountains and the moon. and now nothing is in his
hands, only dust reminding me of how it was. my hero
has curled up into a ball. he no longer wraps his arms
around me when i cry. he has given up on my existance
and i left in this smokey room replaying his words. my
hero has forgotten my name. 

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Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 23:34:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: courtney gordon <cmgordon2@juno.com>
Subject: ET: poem (again)

Just another poem.

Untitled (Higher Chakra #12)
He was a good person.
He was THE call-me-at-3a.m.-to-complain-cuz-you-hate-life guy.
And he was beautiful.
He radiated a beauty and energy like none other
like he was so beautiful it hurt to look at him
be near him
hear him whisper "I love you"
So many times I'd wanted to hold him
and couldn't
wanted to tell him it was okay, it would be okay,
but couldn't.
And after I gave him all of me
he yanked my heart away and waved it in front of my face
And for a minute I felt sorry for myself
"and your coming back to me is against all odds, and that's what I've got to
face"
But now it doesn't bother me
So as now I walk away, having used my dagger and turned that man into a boy,
I wonder...
Too bad.
It seemed like he'd be a good dad.
~~~
comments welcome!
Court
the super hero angel

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