From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #177 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Saturday, April 29 2000 Volume 03 : Number 177 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * eda-thoughts-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY * the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #176 [Cassidy831@aol.com] ET: Good Bye(poem) ["Seth D. Fulmer" ] ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #176 [Cassidy831@aol.com] ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #175 [Cassidy831@aol.com] ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #175 [Cassidy831@aol.com] ET: ooookay. [Mango Ara ] ET: guess what? ["stephen" ] ET: comparing hitler [Katherine Alexandra ] ET: popularity in HS ["Seth D. Fulmer" ] ET: and now i am beginning to get scared [Katherine Alexandra ] ET: band yall might wanna check out (Creed) ["Chris Sylvester" Subject: ET: Good Bye(poem) Hey there...I just wrote this...it sorta shows how I view myself. I was saying this to someone earlier tonight. By the way..I'm not like leaving anyplace(well maybe from the world of the awake in a few minutes to enter the world of the dreaming but that's it). If you don't want to receive my poetry, let me know and you won't receive it. Comments, et al. are welcome but not required :) Take care and Have a Great Day!! :o) -Seth ================================================ Good Bye by seth D. Fulmer 4-29-00 I say to you now Good Bye Please do not ever cry This needs to be done now Before I turn into a demon My skin has already peeled My nose has turned so fat The scales are showing through The horns are growing out You may already know that I was never such an angel My thoughts were so evil that God himself hated me I wanted sex and kisses and money to last forever I want priests to burn in hell and politicians to bathe in gasoline Jesus was no choirboy or holier than thou MoFo The prince of demons hints that Satan was an angel But alas you're backing away You fear my many colors Black and white and even burgundy Tie Dye Colored poison candy I'm sweet when I want to be and sour during all the rest Sometimes I wish the sweetness was alcohol in large proportions I kiss and hug you, I suck your bosom and make the bed reach mach eighty The rape which made your mother happy makes your father die in agony. Make me sorry, Make me glad, You make me cry to the heavens Let me leave you alone so in peace before I make her scream horribly The fight for control is gruesome I need to leave you now Please take from me this rose with love It will always remind you of me. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 00:34:33 EDT From: Cassidy831@aol.com Subject: ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #176 In a message dated 4/28/100 11:02:21 PM EST, owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org writes: Pick up a copy of LIFE magazines "best magazine photos.." and take a look for yourself. Its a real photo. But if you don't want to believe it, whatever. You're so narrowminded then. I'm not going to keep this argument up. I see things differently then you do. You took what I said to mean that I don't believe in God, and I don't believe that God can make all these kinds of things possible. Maybe that was my fault, and I wasn't clear enough for you or something. There are situations where I do believe those things. This isn't one of them. If you want to call me narrowminded because I pick and choose with my own common sense the things I want to believe and not believe then you go right ahead sweetie. I promise I won't get too depressed. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 00:42:54 EDT From: Cassidy831@aol.com Subject: ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #175 In a message dated 4/28/100 4:44:03 PM EST, owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org writes: ~I am pro-choice. I think that someone should have the choice to rape if they ~really feel the need to do so, and I feel that people should be trusted with ~the decision whether or not to rape. I personally could never rape, because I ~couldn't put someone through that, but I don't believe my morals and beliefs ~should be enforced upon those who might choose to rape. That's a really interesting way to look at it Joe. I read a book that said something about what you're saying...but of course I can't remember the name! Basically the girl in it said that people should do whatever makes them truly happy, even if what makes them happy is killing people. I don't understand how anyone could be happy killing someone, but I'm not them. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 00:54:03 EDT From: Cassidy831@aol.com Subject: ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #175 In a message dated 4/28/100 4:44:03 PM EST, owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org writes: << Well if there are, they sure haven't reached me. Ever think, Einstein, tha a lot of the way I think has been formed by the fact that my experience has been the way it has been? I have yet to come across anyone, who has had an abortion and is today living a happy life. That just doesn't happen. Sorry dude, but when a woman kills her baby, she isn't happy. Not at all. >> You have yet to come across anyone huh? Just because YOU haven't met them means they don't exist? Two women in my family who I am very close to have had abortions. They were too young to have children, and didn't want to give the baby up for adoption. They both have families now, husbands, and neither of them is anything like what you describe. I'm not saying they weren't upset about it for a while, but you're making it sound like a woman can never go on living a happy life based on your limited knowledge. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:29:17 -0700 From: Mango Ara Subject: ET: ooookay. oh man. can we all just shut up now. really, no offense, but this thing is just going in circles. i've found it's next to impossible to change someone's mind. people can be very rigid and hypocritical. some of you i agree with, some as you know i don't. however, i think it's enough said. i appreciate everyone's viewpoints. i have maybe read a total of 3 of joe's posts on the topic, and scanned them at best, no offense to you joe i just felt no point in reading them. i have seen this kind of thing before, and eventually it gets nowhere. there was no point in me getting involved much and getting upset -it's a futile effort. i saw every kind of view, mine included, expressed without my getting my feet too wet. i respect everyone's opinions, although a few people i would like to bap with a foam bat :) but i don't really care anymore. so chill my babes, peace mon, love is for the good of the people! your little samara ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 06:52:32 -0400 From: "stephen" Subject: ET: guess what? I am a male.. I can't have babies... I have no idea what it is like. So I really can't comment.. however, I think abortion could be justifiable.. I know that a mother cat will kill one of it's litter if it's a threat to the rest or if something is wrong with it.. i think somehow she just knows... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 07:33:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Katherine Alexandra Subject: ET: comparing hitler a little pet peeve of mine.... dont compare hitler to anything. he was a monster, a monster that can't be compared to. there are other monsters, but comparing takes away their evil. what hitler did to the jews, and not only the jews but anyone who got in his way, is nothing like abortion and it is a complete insult to anyone that had to go through the holocaust or anyone that lost someone through it. my grandparents (who died before i was born) were the only ones that made it out of the camps from my fathers side, then they had him when they went to america. when you lose EVERYONE, i dont have any cousins or anything like that, then you know the devestation. and i am certain all of us have a personal story when it comes to the holocaust bc it affected such a large number of people. so all i am saying is, please dont make correlitions with hitler. he is his own monster. kat __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 10:43:09 -0400 From: "Seth D. Fulmer" Subject: ET: popularity in HS Hey, I'm watching "Never been kissed" and that is totally me. I know I've probably said that a bunch of times..or perhaps I haven't. Last night my friend Mandy down in Florida, who I sorta met through my sorta friend/sorta acquaintance Shanna from High School...like she said that she thought I was always popular in High school. I was thinking since then. Perhaps I was. When I was talking to Shanna a while back she was like saying that people liked me and that I just thought everyone hated me. I was just watching the movie though now and like I don't know if you've seen the movie, but even if you haven't I'm not giving away anything. Her brother was "the cool one", the popular one..the one who could walk into a room and everyone was like "WOOHOO!!!". He didn't need to do anything either. My sister's totally the same way too. I had my select group of friends and everyone else...if they were nice to me I thought they were just trying to make me look like a fool...like people do to nerds and stuff. Now I'm more experienced and have it in me that I'll be nice back even though deep down I am still cynical...I just have my defenses up so that if they try anything, they're toast. In HS, I didn't like poetry, or music...I said Jewel was a stupid bitch or slut(I forget the term I used at the time) in my junior year. I was such a nerd though in the computer field and the latin/languages fields later in my 4 HS years. I also noticed how like Josie "tried" to be cool and was totally "uncool". I found myself saying "Don't act..be yourself" and like I was freaking cuz every social situation I act somewhat. Plus, she was ignoring the people who wanted to be her friends...the nerds...because she wanted to be friends with the cool people. I want to be friends soooo much with "the cool people". It's sorta evident in the way I'm going to run for Student Government(USGA) Secretary. It seems that "the in crowd" is in student government. It's the crux, the center...Anyone who's in USGA also gets invited to all the parties and knows the important people in the university. I love poetry and music now...I like want to go to the parties, but at the same time I don't...The one girl, I forget her name but she was the one who first befriended Josie, was like "It's just a stupid place." when Josie asked her if she really wanted to go. I could say "it's just a stupid party" but like I want to know the "stupid people", the popular ones...The ones who can walk into a room and everyone's like "SETH!" without all dispursing and leaving the room. I guess I'm saying that on one side I like the way I am good at poetry(or so I'm told by some people), I value the music I listen to and am proud of it, I like foreign languages, computers, being in my fraternity that's not that popular and doing community service...BUT...I also want so much to be popular. Not popular with the crowd that I am now..but also with the crowd that hates what I like. It's a rather yucky conflict of interests but Oh well..I should stop babbling. Take care and Have a Great Day! Seth D. Fulmer mailto:kaosking@voicenet.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 08:35:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Katherine Alexandra Subject: ET: and now i am beginning to get scared i have spent the past hour wanting to write. bc i feel such strong emotions right now. but i cant seem to get down on paper how i feel. so this will be a ramble, mixed with a rant and a bit of a rave. i just need to say what is going on inside of me. perhaps in an attempt to see if anyone else feels the same, to see if i am alone on this one, or if maybe just to clear things up for myself. in 5 days i wont be here any longer. this place which i have called home for 5 years. the moving out of punta gorda doesnt bother me much. i have moved all my life. and i have taken all the bits and pieces out of punta gorda that i possibly can. this place is losing its spark, if it ever really even had one. but it's starting to hurt that i am going to far away from THEM. the parents. the people that taught me wrong and right and then told me that there is an inbetween. the ones that spent hours with me critizing, praising, laughing and the occasional confusing me with their other kids. the mother that used to hold me when i would cry, but then stopped when i got older. the mother that cant cook and always told me to be proud of what i have and to go to college, bc she never could. the mother that has wrinkles now to show for her experiances, the woman that i never really fully even see. the mother that has been so distant from me, and still the one who loves me best. how do i walk away from her, when her eyes tear up and she says to me not to leave her. how can i drive away from my house on thursday, with my past packed and my dreams turning into a reality, when i see that look on her face. that look of fear mixed with worry. but most of all, it is my father. my father has been my best friend. he knows me best. he makes me instant coffee in the morning, debates with me, teaches me, and he even learns from my own theories. the man that convinced me that its ok to still go after your dreams, even if they seem impossible. the man that has spent the past, almost 20 years, holding onto me, letting go when the timing is right, but always being there. when i get sick, he waits there in the room with me, reading the economist articles. he makes me feel better. he stayed up till 4 am this past week editing my term paper. he keeps telling me how happy he is that i am really doing this. but how can i leave him? after everything we have gone through. how can i be too far for even a car ride? how can i go through so many time zones away from him? sometimes i get so scared. bc i dont want to be that holiday child. the kid that only comes on christmas, maybe a week in summer. but things are turning out that way. this is what i wanted after all. this is what i have been talking about. and now my feet are feeling heavy, wanting to stay. this is normal, natural, and the way i should react. i know that. but it hurts nonetheless. and i feel so scared bc i dont want feel like i am walking away from them. my sisters baby is due the week after i leave, my other sister needs me to watch after her child, my brother is depressed, i need to be there for these people. yet i feel as though i am walking so far away from them, i never thought it would hurt this much to be the long distance child. also the thoughts that perhaps i am jumping into something much too deep. that i am not taking enough babysteps. part of the reason for this move was to feel alive, to get that numb feeling away, to stop bleeding into the scenory, and now i am doing it and i am feeling that life inside of me. sometimes when you get what you want, you realize just how scary it can really be. love, kat __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 13:22:07 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: ET: Windows hates will like this this was in last Tuesdays' USA Today via the Asbury Park Press (NJ) http://www.quackquack.net/billgates.gif Mike :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 14:15:23 PDT From: "Chris Sylvester" Subject: ET: band yall might wanna check out (Creed) I know I'm probably in the minority on this list in musical tastes since I tend to listen to 3 Doors Down, Metallica and the like more often than Jewel type music (obviously, not an insult to Jewel, she's right next to Aeorsmith in my CD case), but I think you'll kinda like the band Creed. They're very much on the heavy side, but their lyrics really hit home in a lot of places. Really uhm.. real (for lack of a better word) stuff. I highly reccomend their first album "My Own Prison" which is about self exploration and realizing that a lot of problems can be solved if you look at them. Their other album "Human Clay" touches on a lot of other topics like the birth of his son, Jagger, in "With Arms Wide Open," betrayal in "Beautiful," and basically doing the right thing, "Faceless Man." "My Own Prison" is slightly heavier than "Human Clay" is, but they're both incredible albums. I reccomend them to anyone. You can get soundbytes on their website at www.creednet.com Creednet.com . So, if anybody's interested, please check them out. And this time, I'm not even promoting a local band! They're from Talahasee (oh well if it's spelled wrong.. their football team sucks anyways GO GATORS ;) ) Let me know what you think! ~Sly "The dust has finally settled on the field of human clay Just enough light has shown through to tell night from the day" -Creed, "Say I" ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V3 #177 **********************************