From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #176 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Saturday, April 29 2000 Volume 03 : Number 176 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * eda-thoughts-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY * the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #172 [Cassidy831@aol.com] ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #173 [Cassidy831@aol.com] ET: me, too [genben@usa.net] Re: ET: defending the burning of my mothers bra [SectionBaby ] ET: The definitions are becoming clearer... :) [RJonthego@aol.com] Re: ET: birth controll- an interesting viewpoint ["Chris Sylvester" > Fake pictures can lie. Doctored pictures can lie. I'm not saying that it was, I haven't even seen the thing, but it is possible. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 17:58:06 EDT From: Cassidy831@aol.com Subject: ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #173 In a message dated 4/28/100 11:28:05 AM EST, owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org writes: << << well, through God all things are possible. maybe it was a sign from God, through the baby, giving thanks for saving its life, rather than aborting it because it had a disease it had no control over! >> Well, maybe it's all horseshit. But hey, you believe it, that's fine. >> Wow, aren't you just too cool. >> Ah yes, this coming from the guy who has to pawn other people's work off as his own. Which, by the way, I still don't think you've explained. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Apr 00 18:09:26 EDT From: genben@usa.net Subject: ET: me, too I am following caroline's lead and mike's suggestion. i'm done. joe, claim victory for all i care, but i'm tired. my wrists hurt from typing. i just don't fell like having these arguments anymore. i think we both know how we feel, and we are both digging deeper holes for ourselves by continuing. sorry everyone for getting upset and clogging your mailboxes. ben ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 15:21:19 -0700 (PDT) From: SectionBaby Subject: Re: ET: defending the burning of my mothers bra GO KATHRINE!!!!!! - --- Katherine Alexandra wrote: > ok this just really got on my nerves....i'm sorry > but > femeinism didnt create this problem at all. IT'S NOT > THE WOMAN'S FAULT THAT SEX TURNED INTO FUCKING. you > know why? bc it has ALWAYS been that way. i hate it > when people are so naive that they believe that > somehow before the burnings of bras that life was > better, that children were happier and that men > treated women better bc we tend to forget a lot > about > all the repression that was going on. i will defend > my > mother till the day i die when it comes to her > involvement in the feminist movement. my mother was > pregnant at 19 and no, she didnt have the abortion, > she had my brother. but she had a hell of a time > with > this. her bf left to vietnam, he didnt make it back. > she was trying to do something that very few women > had > done before, raise a child on her own, completely. > she > has taught me and my sisters (and so has my dad) the > importance of being a female. and yes there is a > glass > ceiling. and if you are that naive not to notice it, > put it this way, i can get the same degree, similar > experiance and statisticly speaking, lower wages. > but > this is the thing: in a woman's life if she stays at > home to raise a child she looked down on bc she > isn't > being a "progressive female" yet if she goes to work > and tries to take care of her child she is always > being looked down on for trying to be a "supermom" > and > for not always be able to go to her daughters soccer > practice. and yes it is EXTREMELY hard to be a > female. > i hate it when people go off about the feminist > movement bc WOMEN COULDN'T VOTE, WOMEN WERE SECOND > CLASS, women were considered stupid, to stay at > home, > wash the dishes barefoot, get fat, or always stay > pretty with a smile. it's bc MEN FEAR WOMEN. during > WWII women went out to the factories, they loved it. > men came back, to back their jobs. but that's the > thing, there is a complete fear. by going off about > the womens movement it's similar to going off about > the civil rights movement. it had to happen and it > was > an amazing time in our culture, for people to > protest > and be heard. this is something that i am so proud > about when it comes to america, that peoplen came > together and fixed what was wrong. but next time you > bitch about the feminist movement, just consider all > the smart chicks that you know going to college and > not being able to use their degrees. or about > females > feeling guilty for sexual feelings. the females that > had to sit back and allow the men to talk for them. > it > was an amazing movement. > kat > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online and get email alerts > with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ ===== (..Goes and looks for pasifire... and uncle roy or maybe his sexy brother Michael ) "When I was in there and it started to get bad.....I thought of you...you're the only one of us that still has a soul" "Thanks for the binoculars. Walter- Anytime. Anyplace, any position." " Have I ever told you that I love you? " " You have to drink this..." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:42:41 GMT From: "~* cymbaline *~" Subject: Re: ET: defending the burning of my mothers bra I prefer the hippie movement. Yes, I am a hippie, and damn proud of it. cymbaline ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:50:30 GMT From: "~* cymbaline *~" Subject: Re: ET: RE: free will and values >i can go to my farm and grow food to eat. i can walk and pick seeds, and >fruit off of trees, and i can drink water where i can find it, without any >other human beings, if i so choose. > >that is how i am alive, and a fetus is not. LOL, your fucking serious?! so, in order to be alive, you must be INDEPENDENT... huh? You can't rely on others, for nourishment, love and support, huh? if so, A Post-borth CHILD isn't alive either, since its dependent, and can't pick its own fruit off a tree. Oh, and good luck on finding water in any old place. Its dirty, filled with bacteria, and it'll make you sick and you could die. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:57:54 GMT From: "~* cymbaline *~" Subject: Re: ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #172 >Fake pictures can lie. Doctored pictures can lie. I'm not saying that it >was, >I haven't even seen the thing, but it is possible. Pick up a copy of LIFE magazines "best magazine photos.." and take a look for yourself. Its a real photo. But if you don't want to believe it, whatever. You're so narrowminded then. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 17:39:23 PDT From: "Chris Sylvester" Subject: Re: ET: blah blah blah If you really want to, we can go into it. I was just really, really tired at the time i wrote that letter, and i felt mentioning the story of Jesus was enough to get my point across. But if everyone promises not to call me stupid for being a Christian, I'll gladly sit here and debate that with the list. :) ~Sly "the only pit i get hurt from, and i wasn't even in it. oh well... GET BACK IN THE MOSH PIT MOTHER F*********!!!!" (sorry, got back from a 7Dust concert the other night.. still crazy from it) ps: everybody check out Liquid Vinyl. GREAT band. kinda heavy, and really spiffy. www.liquidvinyl.com AOL and other HTML readers, click here - ----Original Message Follows---- From: shivergirl To: Chris Sylvester Subject: Re: ET: blah blah blah Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 00:05:15 -0400 > > > He did it to Job as a test of his faith. He did it to egypt because they > wouldn't let the isrialites go. He's done it before in the Bible. Or, we > could go to the ultimate example of taking away a son to teach the world a > lesson, but let's not, aight? why not? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 20:41:58 EDT From: RJonthego@aol.com Subject: ET: The definitions are becoming clearer... :) I can't remember who I got this from... one of you guys. :) anyways, i've been so busy lately, i've hardly had time to think, much less write a lot. But i HAVE had time to do quick-jot-journal-entries, basically consisting of "i define myself by ----" and that's it. so here's the product of that. roya defining herself at a rapid pace I define myself by my little sister's freckles the poems to my credit the photo albums on my shelf. How many people remember my name (I'm always surprised) and how many of them have given me nicknames. the songs I've memorized the pair of shoes I've had for three years How many fairy tales I've seen come true the comfort and bad taste I find in destiny. lava lamps and glow in the dark stars That I mystify people with my unpredictability and my reliability to be the same The hundreds of blossoms on our apricot tree and not a single piece of fruit. The dozens of stages I've walked quickly across, pretending not to be dazzled by the expensive lighting fixtures. The pool that overflows every time it rains and the dog that goes berserk at the same time The dimple in my left cheek that all of the girls in my father's family have The nose that my mother's family passed on to me. The phone that is always ringing for me, 7pm and on, sunday nights. ~ I define myself by the cracks in the pier and the dizzying yet comforting water smashing underneath That I didn't find out that Lucy Maud Montgomery or Dr Suess were dead until after I wrote them each letters. The clay that gathers in my hangnails and the ink all over my arm My obsession with lips and collar bones - -the deja vu I'm having right now- At first impressions I'm always described as down to earth and serious But my old friends tell me they like me 'cuz I'm so out there We have a pool but pay a memership to the YMCA I taught myself to swim in the shallow end (I've measured my life by the deep end) ~ I define myself by the things that chase me in all of my dreams That I have more costumes than "normal" clothes That I have a history with sharpies and closed off spaces That I'm always worried for the wrong reasons - but I am right to worry. That I have freckles on the bottom of my feet, eyes that turn from green to orange when i'm mad and a body I am learning how to hide - -and more deja vu- ~~~~~ ah hah. i just re-read it. I know what i need to do. more specifics, i think. yup. :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 17:50:58 PDT From: "Chris Sylvester" Subject: Re: ET: birth controll- an interesting viewpoint I fully understand sexual intimacy involving love. What I'm trying to point out is the situations where people are just having sex to have sex. Like some kind of game, or amusment park ride. If two people are in love, and fully understand all of the ramifications, then by all means, get married and go for it. But the people who are out there at parties thinking to themselves, "i wanna get laid tonight," those are the people I'm talking about. If we could cut down on that, we wouldn't have any use for birth control. We wouldn't need it because only the people who can support children and want them would have sex. It's really simple, I think (not an insult to anyone). Sorry if I confused anyone on where I stand. ~Sly "I'm so high on the wings of the dragonfly" - ----Original Message Follows---- From: DPS8315@aol.com To: hwarrior99@hotmail.com Subject: Re: ET: birth controll- an interesting viewpoint Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 01:33:16 EDT In a message dated 4/22/00 4:14:07 PM US Eastern Standard Time, hwarrior99@hotmail.com writes: > Honestly, why do we need pills and little jackets for mister happy if we can > just keep our pants on? well that's sort of lopsided.. i mean, we do think about pregnancy.. it's one of the things I fear most as a teenager who cannot support himself, let alone a wife and child, *but* when you demoralize sex to the point of "mr happy" etc, I dont think that you're being fair in realizing that sex isn't just habit or even ritual to some people, it is still, in the far reaches of the heart, an expression of love. James ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 20:51:40 EDT From: RJonthego@aol.com Subject: ET: a lighter note... I know all of this is really really serious, but I've been skimming through all of this discussion, and the only thing that pops into my head is... ...no wonder my english teachers won't let us write essays on abortion. ;) roya "the trick is to keep breathing" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 21:01:09 EDT From: RJonthego@aol.com Subject: ET: Re: abortion and rape joe wrote: > What Hitler did to the Jews is very similar to Abortion. except for the fact that no one is forcing all expectant mothers to have an abortion. there's a leeeetle difference right there. roya "the trick is to keep breathing" ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V3 #176 **********************************