From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #168 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Thursday, April 27 2000 Volume 03 : Number 168 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * eda-thoughts-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY * the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- ET: The Simple Beauty ["~* cymbaline *~" ] ET: Re: do the dew like the potato fields? [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] ET: my thoughts on Elian [zerocool@sunlink.net (Niki)] ET: (no subject) [Cassidy831@aol.com] ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #167 [Cassidy831@aol.com] Re: ET: to joe about abortion ["~* cymbaline *~" ] ET: more context for propaganda [shivergirl ] ET: Life is Cruel(poem) ["Seth D. Fulmer" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 00:00:43 GMT From: "~* cymbaline *~" Subject: ET: The Simple Beauty i very much enjoyed a nice peaceful walk through the woods today, alongside marshlands and a river. It was so beautiful... i feel like such a hippie.... (oh yeah... I AM a hippie!) anywho... this poem emerged from my walk. Cymbaline "The Simple Beauty" there is, but, one simple beauty: that of nature. the hills, the streams, the mountains, the lakes, all put together, into one, majestic earth, created by two equally majestic hands: the hands of God. this wondrous Eden created with such perfection, stretches out miles unfolding, undiscovered lands and places, untouched by human hands, waiting to be discovered. that is the one simple beauty. 4/26/Y2K ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 20:08:34 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: ET: Re: do the dew like the potato fields? In a message dated 4/26/00 11:45:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org writes: << "Kevin B. Pease" wrote: > But, as for whether or not we should be sending the boy back to an > "oppressive country", there's a rather interesting parallel between the > oppressiveness of a communist government and the oppressiveness of our "Just > Do It, Hungry Why Wait, Do The Dew, Kid Tested Mother Approved" capitalist > society, isn't there? Choose your form of mind control: industry or > government... >> Kevin, there is no way you are serious. Do you have any idea what that is your are saying? You think advertisement hooks are on the same level as forcing children to work long hours in potato fields in the hot Cuban sun? There is no way you can be that blind, there is just no way.... I was once spoke with a Cuban woman who went to my church. She told me that her dad had spoken against Communism once, which was a very brave thing. The next day, he never came home from work. No one has seen or heard from his since. We have freedom of religion, thought, and the freedom to choose our own lives. You can't even compare Cuba to America. To act like "Do the Dew" is like having your father spirited away and never seen or heard from again, God. No offense, but that is utterly the most ignorant comment I have heard in a long while. One final comment about Elian: Back when he was with his family, we got to see VIDEOS of him everyday. He was a happy, healthy kid, there with his Uncle Lazaro, cousin Maryslaya, and other family members. What we all saw was a happy kid. Now, we don't see a kid. We get strange pictures of a pale, almost drugged looking boy from Greg Craig. Why won't the government let us see this child. Are they afraid we might see him cry out for his Uncle and his family? You can't argue with the facts. I rest my case. no longer cradled in gravity's memory still in and spinning in spiral drifts of endlessness spinning in torment into the garden of light - -Pale Saints "A Thousand Stars Burst Open" http://www.chickpages.com/musicmania/joepages ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 20:10:54 -0500 From: zerocool@sunlink.net (Niki) Subject: ET: my thoughts on Elian I think this whole situation is a bunch of crap. His 'family' {that he never met before in his life} stole him out of the hospital. His grandfather called that 'family' to make sure they kept the press out of the hospital while his son recovered. So much for keeping the press out of it...little did he know that he was only making the situation worse. Second off, the US waited too long to send him back-which is what I think they should do for two reasons: one-They send everyone else back who comes here form Cuba, even other kids who've came and two-he belongs with his dad. If his so called family in Florida really loved him and cared for him-would they be putting him through this? And i agree with whoever said about the pictures being fake and what a load of crap that is...IT'S HIM! HELLO?! I think his family in FL is a bad influence...I think they are controlling him... he looks happy with his father-SEND HIM HOME! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 20:25:46 EDT From: Cassidy831@aol.com Subject: ET: (no subject) >>Exactly how old was the fetus? ~I think it was 10-14 weeks. >when is a fetus completely immobile? How is moving >something that they've never known a fetus to do? I mean, did I miss >something? ~Its just the fact she (i think it was she), rwcahed her arm out to grab ~ahold of the doctors finger... as if to thank him for helping her. Well, a fetus that is only two months old barely has fingers, they're like little numbs if anything. So I'm not seeing how it could reach up and grab ahold of anything. And isn't it a nice thought that the fetus could actually be trying to thank the doctor? Even if the baby had those kind of mental abilities at that age, I'm sure he/she would be too drugged up for the surgery to even think about it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 20:43:08 EDT From: Cassidy831@aol.com Subject: ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #167 In a message dated 4/26/100 7:03:03 PM EST, owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org writes: << > Now we get these fishy pictures that don't >even look like Elian. I don't know what's going on with Elian's new home, but >if he's so happy, then let's see a video of him. >> See a video of him? Of course you don't know what is going on in Elian's new home. IT'S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. I don't understand why everyone gets so upset over all of this. Yeah it's a real touching story how his mom died trying to save her and her son from this big horribly opressive country, but putting the boy in the center of America's attention? Having thousands of protesters, photographers, and police men constantly around? How great is that? The boy is with his father, and our government was just doing their jobs. It's what they're paid and elected to do. I don't personally think that guns should have been necessary, but if they were, then they were. If not, well then they were wrong. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 00:53:27 GMT From: "~* cymbaline *~" Subject: Re: ET: to joe about abortion >Hmmm... so what do you think about a women being raped and getting >impregnated. Adoption. >And YES I know that if you go to the hospital they give >you a >72 hr pill but what about those that are too scared?? adoption. >Should they have to >live with that reminder every day of their lives? And what about when they >go to get married-if they already aren't-then what? And if they are >married...can you imagine fathering someone else's child-some sicko's child >who hurt your wife? you wouldnt have to if she put it up for adoption. and if you really LOVED her, it wouldnt matter, would it? >In most other circumstances I think the child >should live...and I think people should get smart and use protection and be >responsibe and such... but what about rape... adoption. >and what about if the child >has some type of disease? Oooohhhh.... KILL THE CHILD!IT HAS A DISEASE!!! OOOOHHHHHHH........... thats horrible to even think that. What if the mother has AIDS and is pregnant... easy, if you have aids, don't have sex. >should she let her baby be born to live a tragic life? she wouldnt have to if she didn't have sex. (not saying that all >people with aids lead tragic lives...but they do go through a lot of >painful things once full blown aids occurs) I mean full blown aids in a >child could conceivable happen at ages 5-whenever... Are you going to >take the chance of your baby going through that hell? some babies aren't even born w/ it! kelly ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 00:57:31 GMT From: "~* cymbaline *~" Subject: Re: ET: (no subject) >Well, a fetus that is only two months old barely has fingers, they're like >little numbs if anything. So I'm not seeing how it could reach up and grab >ahold of anything. Look at the picture. And isn't it a nice thought that the fetus could actually >be trying to thank the doctor? Even if the baby had those kind of mental >abilities at that age, I'm sure he/she would be too drugged up for the >surgery to even think about it. well, through God all things are possible. maybe it was a sign from God, through the baby, giving thanks for saving its life, rather than aborting it because it had a disease it had no control over! kelly ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 23:02:11 -0400 From: shivergirl Subject: ET: more context for propaganda > hi dear angels, this is just a bit more context around the propoganda subject, by kerry knudsen, a cdn journo:(thanX fer replying, ben! :) > > > "First, Hitler's drive to conquer the world was very nearly > successful, due in large part to his plan and the system he > put in place to affect it. In part, that plan consisted of > sending in his shock troops in a Blitzkrieg to conquer vast > amounts of territory in a very short time. These front-line > troops were immediately followed by two groups: the > Einsatzgruppe and the propaganda corps. The Einsatzgruppe > was the war detail you see in the history horrors. They > rounded up civilians and killed them en masse. At the same > time the Einsatzgruppe was shooting civilians in ditches, > the propaganda corps was nailing up posters, taking over the > newspapers and taking command of the radios. > > It was Hitler's belief that if you can control all > communication, you can control the population, and modern > propaganda is largely the result of Hitler's model. It was > very effective, and Hitler's minister of propaganda was > Josef Goebbels. The definition of propaganda is to > repeatedly report only one side of a story, and to exclude > all other points of view. > > I am a servant of the public, just as is a judge, an RCMP > officer or a member of parliament. I must be fair, thorough > and diligent, just as a member of the executive, legislative > or judicial branches of government. I have limited powers to > grant confidentiality and to facilitate charges. Because I > am a journalist, I am a member of the fourth estate. I am an > agent of the people. > > It is my belief that a democracy functions best when its > people are informed, not just of one side of an issue, but > of all sides. To me, the public is served best when there is > open and vigorous debate between strongly opposed points of > view. By extension, the media serves best when it has a > position (fair, thoroughly researched and diligently > pursued) that it is willing to take to the mat, PROVIDED > there is another medium that is providing the public with > the other side(s). If the media decides a proper course of > public action and represses opinions to the contrary, then > the media is complicit in propaganda.... > > .... it is my > strongly held belief that the contemporary media does not > hold or propose strongly opposing views. Journalists are > perceived by the public, by business, by law enforcement and > by politics the same: that we are left-leaning, > pseudo-intellectuals with too much power and too little > sense.... > > ....I cited a few examples of areas where I feel journalists > are > unwilling to do their duty to the public and research and > report all sides of an issue. Among those were abortion and > whether homosexuality is genetically acquired. Any > controversy will do, however, whether it be legalization of > marijuana, homelessness, welfare, gun control or whatever. > > If you are alert, you will realize these topics are > controversial because there are more sides than one, and > each side has a very strong opinion. My contention is that > only one side has fair access to the press, and that side > has even been successful in getting laws passed to stifle > and punish people who disagree. > > My personal opinion on abortion, therefore, is that the > pro-life side is unfairly represented in the media. I heard > recently from a Lutheran pastor that post-abortion-stress > syndrome in women is North America's largest untreated mental > disorder.... > ....So my experience indicates the claim of the pastor may be > valid. Now, where do I, as a journalist, go to research it? > Has it been reported? Should it be reported? > > What if the pro-abortion faction and its media propaganda > support have been successful in duping a portion of women into > > having an abortion that will affect their mental and > emotional health forever? What if I can show it has? What is > my duty as a reporter? What should I do if other > reporters try to silence me? > > What about gun control, squeegee kids, hate crimes and > legalized pot? If the answer is as cut-and-dried as is > reported in the media, why all the controversy? If you want > a real brain-twister, what if homosexuality actually is > determined by genes, and what if those genes are > identifiable in an amniocentesis? Is a woman carrying a > potentially homosexual child free to choose abortion as an > option? > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 23:38:23 -0400 From: "Seth D. Fulmer" Subject: ET: Life is Cruel(poem) Hey everyone, It may not be evident but the past few days I've been in a sort of manic state. I'm losing that mania. Monday, evidence of the mania was that without thinking or anything I just asked this girl Melissa out and she said she had to get back to me about that. My mind today went wild with fantasies and imagination about what she could be hiding and stuff and thinking way too much about it. I was still in my manic state but I'm losing it now. This is just a smattering of those fantasies and stuff all put together. I've been lazy so I haven't sent poems in a while. Perhaps I'll send some soon. Joe this poem is not about you, despite "Joe" in there...it's about this guy in my fraternity chapter who I can't stand, but I just used the name because I couldn't stand him and he was in the office at the time. Anyhow, here's the poem. If you don't want my poetry, let me know and you won't receive it. Also comments and all others are welcome but not required. Take cares and Have a Great Day!! :o) -Seth ======================================== Life is Cruel by Seth D. Fulmer 4-26-00 Why doesn't she love me? What is it about him? I'm a lot more attractive and so way more intelligent He struts his cool stuff as he walks through the quad I could trip him, make him fall What fun though is that? Life is a burden, without parties and Beer or so he does think until he's put in jail He's barely an adult, nineteen years more or less He has a cool sports car and he's friends with the freshmen I said to him one day Joe Why don't you grow up? Stop playing the women and get working harder He said to me, Seth Why don't you go lay in the street during Rush hour At least then you'll get laid He's an arrogant snob He thinks he's awesome and right I showed him in class though He can't spell his own name This girl I do like So he goes after her He does have a girlfriend But what does he care? He gets her into parties She couldn't get into otherwise He gets her drunk and knocked up then leaves her there crying So she comes to me then in the middle of the night her dress has a hole noticeable where no seams would ever be I give her fresh clothes a warm meal and my ear for the next two to three hours despite a final the next day I failed my final Then again, so did he But I can't get my mommy to go sleep with the dean I lost a grade and a girlfriend He gained a reputation I really hate that asshole Why does life have to be like this? ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V3 #168 **********************************