From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #163 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Wednesday, April 26 2000 Volume 03 : Number 163 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * eda-thoughts-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY * the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- ET: killing babies. [Katherine Alexandra ] ET: poem [courtney gordon ] RE: ET:Depression and suicide ["Chris Sylvester" ] ET: Re: abortion....the ultimate evil of the 20th century [RedWoodenBeads] ET: elian [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] ET: Re: elian *mistake* [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #162 [Cassidy831@aol.com] ET: abortion pic? [mandabear4@juno.com] Re: ET: abortion pic? ["~* cymbaline *~" ] Re: ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #162 ["~* cymbaline *~" Subject: ET: killing babies. killing babies. thought my title would grab a little attention. this just my thought about the abortion debate: we shouldn't have one. it's an extremely passionate debate and i have rarely seen anyone really listen to the other party when it comes to this. personaly, i am prochoice. i understand prolife but i think that takes away my right to make that decision. but i know this debate could go on forever bc it is extremely complex (it is not as cut and dry as wanting a child or not, or how long the women is pregnant. some people are so against it they refuse to use birth control, others are so for it that they don't believe there should be a cut off date). i just wanted to say that it seems a bit absurd for us to get into this debate, just trying to stop flames before they really start. ok, i'm a coward. but i really just want some safe conversation for a little bit. love, kat ps...if anyone does want to get into this with me, cool, send me a message, if you are for or against abortion....we could discuss it and perhaps get a few people and forward messages...but i jsut think we should avoid having this on the list right now. trying to do a little quality control so we can heal some wounds :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 19:24:00 -0400 (EDT) From: courtney gordon Subject: ET: poem Just another unfinished poem, any idea for an ending? For What It's Worth For what it's worth I still see your face every where i look. And still more I can feel your love follow me. For what it's worth no matter what i try I can't remember to forget you. And for what it's worth your voice still makes me cry. For what it's worth It kills that what i want to do and what I have to do are still 2 seperate things. And for what it's worth, you're still everything I need. Courtney ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 17:23:28 PDT From: "Chris Sylvester" Subject: RE: ET:Depression and suicide Courtney, my dear, you're a sophmore. not a junior. ~Sly "Carpe Manana" ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 19:26:49 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: ET: Re: abortion....the ultimate evil of the 20th century In a message dated 4/25/00 3:32:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org writes: << I'm sure you've all seen the new collector's issue of Life on the newsstands... If any of you bought a copy or flipped through it you would have seen the picture of doctors doing surgery on a fetus. While they were doing the surgery the fetus reached through the opening where the doctor was working...the doctor grabbed his hand and put it back inside... In the picture you see the child's arm coming out of the opening.. There was an article in the paper the other day about how this is starting a new battle against abortion... Seeing how a fetus can do things like that...stuff we didn't know they could do... It puts a picture to all the fetuses killed by abortion... Whatcha guys think about that? And you should really go buy that magazine because there are a lot of interesting pics in there...besides this one >> A human being is a human being regardless of how old they are. There was a girl I once read of, who had a twin brother who was murdered through abortion. But the abortion failed to kill her, and so she was born and grew up. As a young woman she experienced horrific nightmares about witnessing the death of someone she loved. When she told her mother of these dreams, her mother burst into tears and told her about the abortion. Abortion is a horrible crime, the worst of all murders. I believe in the next ten years we will see liberation from this holocaust, for my generation is already rejecting this evil, and young doctors are overwhelmingly refusant to perform this hideous operation. no longer cradled in gravity's memory still in and spinning in spiral drifts of endlessness spinning in torment into the garden of light - -Pale Saints "A Thousand Stars Burst Open" http://www.chickpages.com/musicmania/joepages ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 19:45:07 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: ET: elian I felt compelled to speak out on Elian and his family. First of all, what the governemnt (The Clinton/Gore Administration) did was not only completely uncalled for, but a crime against this child and his family. This is a boy who was brought in flight across the ocean by his mother to get away from a communist dictatorship. Life in Cuba is life in chains, and so, this mother felt she must escape, even at the risk of her's and her child's life. Ultimately she lost her life, and her boy found freedom, blessed freedom for which man longs for, here in America among the love of his family in Miami. What CNN won't tell you is that more children were found washed ashore at the same time as Elian, and they were allowed to remain here, despite the fact that several of them had parents/a parent back in Cuba. But, because Elian's father was a member of the Communist party in Cuba, Castro decided he wanted him back, and so, Castro, not the father, demanded Elian be returned to Cuba. Because Clinton is sympathetic with communist tyranny, and even has Marxist leanings himself, he agreed to do everything he could to take this child away from the family who he loves, and take such good care of him. The government began negotiating with Reno and with Cuban Ambassadors. Elian was happy where he was, and said himself he wanted to say. If we listen to children in countless sexual abuse and custody battles, then why not listen to Elian's wishes? In addition, the family knows all too well how horrible and crushing life in Cuba is, and so, they would not give this child up to Cuban ambassadors. Lazaro said he would give the boy to the father, if he was allowed to come alone with his family, which is without a doubt understandable. But this is not what Reno wanted, She wanted to have the child handed over amidst armed guards and Cuban officials. And so, the negotiations continued, the entire time the government trying their best to villify the Miami family through the mdeia. Reno promised she would not come in and raid the home, ultimately, as we all now know, she and The Clinton/Gore administration lied. They lied. And so, the violations are horrible. Hats off to the Mayor of Miami and to the Cuban Americans to dilligant in their efforts to keep this child free. They won't give up either. This won't go away. The reason the government wanted to do this now, so quickly, was because this is an election year. They wanted to go ahead and take the kid in hopes of wiping it under the rug and not damaging Gore's repuation. But this will not go away. This is an outrage, and I believe this is just the beginning of this. We haven't heard the last of this little boy. no longer cradled in gravity's memory still in and spinning in spiral drifts of endlessness spinning in torment into the garden of light - -Pale Saints "A Thousand Stars Burst Open" http://www.chickpages.com/musicmania/joepages ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 19:50:57 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: ET: Re: elian *mistake* << The government began negotiating with Reno and with Cuban Ambassadors. >> what I meant was Reno and Cuban Ambassadors began negotiating with the family. no longer cradled in gravity's memory still in and spinning in spiral drifts of endlessness spinning in torment into the garden of light - -Pale Saints "A Thousand Stars Burst Open" http://www.chickpages.com/musicmania/joepages ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:19:11 EDT From: Cassidy831@aol.com Subject: ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #162 In a message dated 4/25/100 5:31:45 PM EST, owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org writes: << I'm sure you've all seen the new collector's issue of Life on the newsstands... If any of you bought a copy or flipped through it you would have seen the picture of doctors doing surgery on a fetus. While they were doing the surgery the fetus reached through the opening where the doctor was working...the doctor grabbed his hand and put it back inside... In the picture you see the child's arm coming out of the opening.. There was an article in the paper the other day about how this is starting a new battle against abortion... Seeing how a fetus can do things like that...stuff we didn't know they could do... It puts a picture to all the fetuses killed by abortion... Whatcha guys think about that? And you should really go buy that magazine because there are a lot of interesting pics in there...besides this one. Nik >> Exactly how old was the fetus? I mean, babies can move when they reach a certain age in the womb. Sure, they lack motor skills, but they do have the ability to move. And it's not as if the baby started speaking to the doctor or anything. Since when is a fetus completely immobile? How is moving something that they've never known a fetus to do? I mean, did I miss something? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:11:59 -0300 From: mandabear4@juno.com Subject: ET: abortion pic? i didn't see that pic but i would think it's really gross. Know what makes me mad? instead of showing dead fetus's and such, i think the media should show real live babies...happy healthy ones and then ask the question of abortion. I am 100% pro-choice...but instead of putting down ppl who want abortions and showing dead babies i think it would be better to show the positives of having the baby...show ppl what they could be missing out on...i tihnk there are more tactful ways to get the message across then showing bloody and dead fetus's ~Mandabear~ "The Forever Seeking Teen Angel" ^j^ ^j^ ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 02:39:58 GMT From: "~* cymbaline *~" Subject: Re: ET: abortion pic? It wasn't a pictufre of a dead fetus. It was detected that the baby had Spina Bifida, and they wanted to operate on the fetus before it was born. While they were working on the fetus, (while it was still in the womb), the baby reached its tiny hand out of the womb, and grabbed ahold of the doctors finger. Its not gross. Its beautiful. Its amazing. Kelly >i didn't see that pic but i would think it's really gross. Know what >makes me mad? instead of showing dead fetus's and such, i think the media >should show real live babies...happy healthy ones and then ask the >question of abortion. I am 100% pro-choice...but instead of putting down >ppl who want abortions and showing dead babies i think it would be better >to show the positives of having the baby...show ppl what they could be >missing out on...i tihnk there are more tactful ways to get the message >across then showing bloody and dead fetus's > >~Mandabear~ >"The Forever Seeking Teen Angel" > ^j^ ^j^ > >________________________________________________________________ >YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! >Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! >Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 02:43:10 GMT From: "~* cymbaline *~" Subject: Re: ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #162 >>Exactly how old was the fetus? I think it was 10-14 weeks. >when is a fetus completely immobile? How is moving >something that they've never known a fetus to do? I mean, did I miss >something? Its just the fact she (i think it was she), rwcahed her arm out to grab ahold of the doctors finger... as if to thank him for helping her. Kelly ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V3 #163 **********************************