From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #161 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Tuesday, April 25 2000 Volume 03 : Number 161 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * eda-thoughts-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY * the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- ET: Re: Re: kat stuff ["Kevin B. Pease" ] ET: my term paper [Katherine Alexandra ] ET: Re: Re: underpopulation ["Kevin B. Pease" ] ET: a conversation over instant coffee [Katherine Alexandra Subject: ET: Re: Re: kat stuff RedWoodenBeads@aol.com writes: > my, your articulation is breathtaking Actually, my articulation is just fine, thanks for noticing. In addition to being able to articulate proplerly, I can use my "big words" properly, too. There's a difference between being articulate & having proper articulation. > Perhaps because I was trying to get a point across in a very strong way. By > this I mean I wanted to express the gravity of what Kat was saying. No, correction, you wanted to express the gravity of what you THOUGHT Kat was saying. You never asked what she meant by her statement, you fired first, then fired again. Common sense says that if somebody says something to you, and it sounds completely hideous to you, you should ask for a clarification. > well Kevin, I have been talking about this subjetc for years, Really? For somebody who's been talking about it for years, you certainly seem to dodge a lot of questions, Joe. I've seen a LOT of rhetoric, a lot of attention-grabbing cursing & name-calling, but I've yet to see much in the way of _factual_ information from you. Yes, you posted your note about overpopulation, and claimed it was part of YOUR report... but you neglected to mention that it was a verbatim copy of something a panel of experts presented to a congressional committee. (Oh, did you miss that post? Or maybe I just missed your response...) Aside from that, I've yet to you state see a single opinion with evidence to back it up that's actually your own. You keep telling us that "everybody in the world could fit in Texas," which, by the way, also happens to be an article on the Population Research Institute's web site. Yep, I know how to look things up on the web, too. So come on, let's hear what YOU have to say -- don't be rude and call us "rediculous", don't be abusive and call us shitheads, just tell us what you think, and back it up with facts. Feel free to use facts from the Population Research Institute (http://www.pop.org), but don't make that your only stop for information. > and no one else > has ever taken that statement the way all of you have. It was very suprising > and also quite discouraging. Yes, because in all your years of public speaking, you've heard Kat's statement so many times, we know, we know. You're the open-minded motivational speaker, we're the close-minded idiots. We've already established your feelings on that. So, now that that's out of the way, why don't you rise to the challenge, not go for the cheap burn, and actually tell us what you think, and give us some facts & evidence to back it up? Come on, raise us up out of our ignorance. Pretty please? Kevin - -- Kevin Pease kbpease@concentric.net ICQ UIN: 3106063 AOL IM: kbpease ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:17:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Katherine Alexandra Subject: ET: my term paper hey, i am in middle of writing a pretty important term paper (25 per cent of my grade) and i was wondering about your thoughts about this. i'm writing it on the freedom party in austria which is an extreme right party which is against immigration and quotes hitler from time to time. THIS PARTY HAS NEVER ACTUALY DONE ANYTHING. but their main man, jorg haider, is basicaly pissing off a lot of people with the comments that he makes (which are really outrageous). the thing is, this party has been voted in through a democracy, a percentage of austrains want this man. the european union finds this completely wrong and comments on suspending austria from it. a belgium school ski trip was cancelled, lots of protesting, all the great stuff. many people believe the reason why this is going on is bc the austrians never came to grip with their past. that they never fully accepted their role in wwII. unlike germany which has apologized a lot, they teach WWII in school at a young age, they have taken responsibility for their role (the austrians also played a large part of WWII, hitler was born in austria). so this is the thing: are people being close minded and overly sensitive about this, bc the austrian people did vote for this form of gov't to speak, and there is obvious a demand for this. or is this wrong and should be stopped bc of history repeating itself? just wanting to hear some peoples thoughts. might even quote some of you on this *if you dont mind, i'll ask if i do* thank you! kat __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 23:18:18 -0400 From: "Kevin B. Pease" Subject: ET: Re: Re: underpopulation RedWoodenBeads@aol.com writes: > The real problem is abortion. Interesting argument. Any facts to back it up? What effect does abortion have on a nation's birth rate? I'd certainly be interested in seeing any facts you have. For instance, did America's birth rate drop drastically after the Roe v Wade decision? I'd think it didn't, but I'd certainly like to hear any factual information you might have on the topic. > If we're going to kill children while they're > residing in their mother's womb because they are inconveniant, then why not > kill them when they are newborns that keep us amake at night or when they're > mischevous five year old? Sounds like a good argument, but this doesn't work, Joe. It's just a pretty bit of rhetoric called a "slippery slope" argument -- because we do X, then A, B, and C will surely follow! It makes the hearts of people who are worried about A, B, or C happening go pitter-patter, but more often than not, it doesn't stand up to factual evidence. The ability of a woman to have an abortion has not, in the 20+ years it's been around, resulted in a rash of murders & violence committed against 5 year old children, and newborns. How long does it take for a society where abortion is accepted to begin committing these atrocities against 5 year olds and newborns? Do you have evidence of it happening, or that it has ever happened anywhere? Again, I'd be most interested in hearing some facts to back this up. > Or why not wrip them out of their family's home at > night and send them back to opressive countries? Get my point? No, I'm not sure how the case of one boy from Cuba has any bearing on this discussion about overpopulation. But, as for whether or not we should be sending the boy back to an "oppressive country", there's a rather interesting parallel between the oppressiveness of a communist government and the oppressiveness of our "Just Do It, Hungry Why Wait, Do The Dew, Kid Tested Mother Approved" capitalist society, isn't there? Choose your form of mind control: industry or government... Not that I hate America, or think Cuba is wonderful (though I must admit, I find it terrifically amusing that the Cuban American protestors are chanting "Keep Elian in America" while waving a Cuban flag... but that's neither here nor there... :) let's be honest -- is there much difference in the degree of "oppression" and "mind control" little Elian would be subjected to, regardless of where he lives? Kevin - -- Kevin Pease kbpease@concentric.net ICQ UIN: 3106063 AOL IM: kbpease ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:47:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Katherine Alexandra Subject: ET: a conversation over instant coffee we talk over instant coffee. i'm afraid of your hands, of what they have held, and what they are letting go. why is this goodbye? but i can tell, in the way every sentence is so finle, how you never ask questions anymore, how your eyes dart away from mine. you say you are proud, that you have taught me well, that i will go and do many things, many, many things. i ask you, why is growing up so hard. why is it that my bones ache with each new day. can i ever, find my way back home after i find my way out? you tell me yes, that the door will be open, but my eyes will be different, my perspective will change, and what home is now, no longer will be. we became best friends. we sit there now, over the instant coffee that you have poured so many times, with nothing to say. sometimes daddy, i dont want to leave. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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