From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #160 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Monday, April 24 2000 Volume 03 : Number 160 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * eda-thoughts-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY * the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- ET: Creation [zerocool@sunlink.net (Niki)] ET: Re: kat stuff [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] ET: Re: underpopulation [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] Re: ET: playing god. [zerocool@sunlink.net (Niki)] ET: Re: underpopulation [Mike Connell ] Re: ET: Re: kat stuff ["~* cymbaline *~" ] Re: ET: Re: kat stuff [JewelAng@aol.com] ET: Re: underpopulation [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] Re: ET: Re: underpopulation [JewelAng@aol.com] ET: impersonating goddesses and such [shivergirl ] ET: creating storieS [shivergirl ] Re: ET: creating stories ["~* cymbaline *~" ] ET: Re: playing god. ["Kevin B. Pease" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:40:56 -0500 From: zerocool@sunlink.net (Niki) Subject: ET: Creation Just so no one is confused about the story (yes that is singular) of Creation in the Bible. The seven days that was refered to by someone on the list was the creation of the EARTH. The story of Adam and Eve was the creation of MAN. Technically the earth was created in 6 days...God rested on the seventh... then he created man. Not to raise any defenses...just so you know what's in the Bible... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:41:13 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: ET: Re: kat stuff In a message dated 4/24/00 4:15:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org writes: << Then we come to YOUR response, Joe -- with all due respect, your metaphors suck. my, your articulation is breathtaking If you were trying to make a point that she was being "anti-life", why didn't you make the point initially, by SAYING that you felt it was anti-life, and that you thought she was saying we should be killing off people because the earth is overpopulated? Perhaps because I was trying to get a point across in a very strong way. By this I mean I wanted to express the gravity of what Kat was saying. And please don't tell us it's because we're too small minded to understand jokes & metaphors. who said anything about jokes? where did you get that? << Here's an easy rule of thumb to remember: If 90% of the people you're communicating with misunderstand you, the poor communication is most probably your own fault, not theirs. This is also affectionately known as the "50 million Elvis fans can't be wrong" theory. >> well Kevin, I have been talking about this subjetc for years, and no one else has ever taken that statement the way all of you have. It was very suprising and also quite discouraging. no longer cradled in gravity's memory still in and spinning in spiral drifts of endlessness spinning in torment into the garden of light - -Pale Saints "A Thousand Stars Burst Open" http://www.chickpages.com/musicmania/joepages ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:46:15 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: ET: Re: underpopulation In a message dated 4/24/00 4:15:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org writes: << But if that whole thing is true, that we'll be living to see the ripe old age of 130 or higher, that'll really do something on our population. Because less people will be dying and more people will be birthing. The birth/mortality rates won't be at an even level, but rather, birth rates will be sky high, and mortality rates will be low. We'll be so overpopulated its not even funny. >> do you not relalize? the earth isn't even close to being overpopulated. UN studies show that the entire world population could fit quite well into Texas. In fact, we are in danger of an underpopulation problem. This is mainly do to the crimes against humanity commited by leftist population reduction overseas programs. This overpopulation thing is utterly rediculous, I cannot believe anyone even buys it anymore. The real problem is abortion. If we're going to kill children while they're residing in their mother's womb because they are inconveniant, then why not kill them when they are newborns that keep us amake at night or when they're mischevous five year old? Or why not wrip them out of their family's home at night and send them back to opressive countries? Get my point? no longer cradled in gravity's memory still in and spinning in spiral drifts of endlessness spinning in torment into the garden of light - -Pale Saints "A Thousand Stars Burst Open" http://www.chickpages.com/musicmania/joepages ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:51:22 -0500 From: zerocool@sunlink.net (Niki) Subject: Re: ET: playing god. I don't want to be cloned! I don't want to live to >be really OLD! I don't want to go to mars! Why can't we just accept the way >God and nature intended tings, and stop trying to play god?! Because thats >what we're doing in the world. We're playing god with the way the world is >going to be. > >I hate this world. I can't wait til the day I'm with the Lord. Amen to that. - -Niki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:58:55 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: ET: Re: underpopulation Joe wrote: >do you not relalize? the earth isn't even close to being overpopulated. UN >studies show that the entire world population could fit quite well into >Texas. And we'd all be rubbin' our asses together. My whole family could fit in my bedroom closet, that does not mean we could survive in that arrangement. Joe...you are missing the whole point of what overpopulation means. It's not that the human race can't fit on the planet, it's that the human popluation is too large to exist in a humane manner because the numbers are far above what resources the planet, and the rest of the human race can provide (at least with the present priorities of most nations and the lack of properly helping the nations that need the help the most). Considering that will NEVER change (at least in our lifetimes), the earth is most definetely over populated. Joe.....one last thing, please refrain from insults and name calling etc. It's just plain rude. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 01:02:24 GMT From: "~* cymbaline *~" Subject: Re: ET: Re: kat stuff >http://www.chickpages.com/musicmania/joepages is there a reason your page is at chickpages.com? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:05:43 EDT From: JewelAng@aol.com Subject: Re: ET: Re: kat stuff In a message dated 4/24/00 9:05:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cymbaline76@hotmail.com writes: << is there a reason your page is at chickpages.com? >> Awww, that was low. LOL Rebecca - -------------------------------- http://www.envy.nu/ophelia Ophelia Spins http://nettrash.com/users/majesticramblings .majestic.ramblings. http://www.envy.nu/souls Common hearts with common dreams (cliques) http://www.angelfire.com/yt/horns My horns keep up my halo (webring) - ----------------------------------- Into the night of the heart your name drops slowly and moves in silence and falls and breaks and spreads its water *Pablo Neruda* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:46:15 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: ET: Re: underpopulation In a message dated 4/24/00 4:15:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org writes: << But if that whole thing is true, that we'll be living to see the ripe old age of 130 or higher, that'll really do something on our population. Because less people will be dying and more people will be birthing. The birth/mortality rates won't be at an even level, but rather, birth rates will be sky high, and mortality rates will be low. We'll be so overpopulated its not even funny. >> do you not relalize? the earth isn't even close to being overpopulated. UN studies show that the entire world population could fit quite well into Texas. In fact, we are in danger of an underpopulation problem. This is mainly do to the crimes against humanity commited by leftist population reduction overseas programs. This overpopulation thing is utterly rediculous, I cannot believe anyone even buys it anymore. The real problem is abortion. If we're going to kill children while they're residing in their mother's womb because they are inconveniant, then why not kill them when they are newborns that keep us amake at night or when they're mischevous five year old? Or why not wrip them out of their family's home at night and send them back to opressive countries? Get my point? no longer cradled in gravity's memory still in and spinning in spiral drifts of endlessness spinning in torment into the garden of light - -Pale Saints "A Thousand Stars Burst Open" http://www.chickpages.com/musicmania/joepages ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:12:05 EDT From: JewelAng@aol.com Subject: Re: ET: Re: underpopulation In a message dated 4/24/00 9:09:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, RedWoodenBeads@aol.com writes: << The real problem is abortion. If we're going to kill children while they're residing in their mother's womb because they are inconveniant, then why not kill them when they are newborns that keep us amake at night or when they're mischevous five year old? Or why not wrip them out of their family's home at night and send them back to opressive countries? Get my point? >> I'm understand this one a little bit. He does have a very good point. But then again, I see the other side. It's not "murder" because it is not a living being that could live outiside of the mother's womb. Abortion I think, really has to do with morals. That's the problem with America. We have so many different morals, and no one thing can please everyone. I wouldn't want to be, say the president. Rebecca - -------------------------------- http://www.envy.nu/ophelia Ophelia Spins http://nettrash.com/users/majesticramblings .majestic.ramblings. http://www.envy.nu/souls Common hearts with common dreams (cliques) http://www.angelfire.com/yt/horns My horns keep up my halo (webring) - ----------------------------------- Into the night of the heart your name drops slowly and moves in silence and falls and breaks and spreads its water *Pablo Neruda* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:39:34 -0400 From: shivergirl Subject: ET: impersonating goddesses and such Niki wrote: > I don't want to be cloned! i, for one, think it sure could come in handy. :) > I don't want to live to > >be really OLD! maybe not over a hundred, but what did those people in the bible do when they were like 758 years old? :) > I don't want to go to mars! just venus. and back. :) > Why can't we just accept the way > >God and nature intended tings, and stop trying to play god?! i sorta agree but i also think humankind should never stop striving to improve our condition with medicine and science, to a point.. finding vacines and cures and doing organ transplants and such....it all starts to get kinda blurry.. > >I hate this world. I can't wait til the day I'm with the Lord. > > Amen to that. as christians, don't we believe he/she's already with us?all around us? in us? personally, i'm happier not going through life carrying a soft-core deathwish. after all, we're a long time dead. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:49:54 -0400 From: shivergirl Subject: ET: creating storieS Niki wrote: > Just so no one is confused about the story still am, can't help it :)but i don't necessarily think it's a bad thing... i'd be more worried if i thought i had all the answers, actually.. > (yes that is singular) interesting.i always found it limiting personally, to think of one religion, one god, one creation story as the be-all and end-all of everything, but that's just me.. i'm always reminded of the explanation given the numerous different approaches to psychology (i.e. humanistic, biological, psychoanalytical, cognitive, etc.), and how they could all exist and still all be legitimate in their own way. the analogy is to imagine say 5 blind men given a horse or an elephant or a camel and to have each of them come away and describe exactly what it is they experienced. of course, they all focus their descriptions on different aspects of the animal: the feel, the smell, the sound, etc., and while they all contain kernels of the truth, no one description is the full, complete answer. > of > Creation in the Bible. The seven days that was refered to by someone on > the list was the creation of the EARTH. The story of Adam and Eve was the > creation of MAN. you mean humankind. > Technically the earth was created in 6 days...God rested > on the seventh... k, but did he start on the sunday or the monday?cuz the jews like resting on saturday, and i think one of the creation story says it's sunday that we shouldn't work or whatever, but since genesis is part of the old testament, is kinda more belonging to the torah and jews than christians (to my limited knowledge, i think we're more focussed on the new testament, right?), which day is the truth sabbath? > then he created man. Not to raise any defenses...just > so you know what's in the Bible... it's important to know what the book says, and what's in it.but as someone (i think james) wrote a week or so back, it's kinda more like a tool or a guideline (if that, in regard to particular matters) than a tablet full of all the hidden mysteries of the world, methinks. sometimes it seems like one big koan. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 01:59:33 GMT From: "~* cymbaline *~" Subject: Re: ET: creating stories >interesting.i always found it limiting personally, to think of one >religion, >one god, one creation story as the be-all and end-all of everything, but >that's just me.. Well, I'll tell you there IS one God. >i'm always reminded of the explanation given the numerous different >approaches to psychology (i.e. humanistic, biological, psychoanalytical, >cognitive, etc.), and how they could all exist and still all be legitimate >in >their own way. Thats psychology. >k, but did he start on the sunday or the monday? Um... God never said "Its unday. Let there be light." Monday,-Sunday are names for each of the seven days, names MAN gave to the days. God rested on the SEVENTH day. >cuz the jews like resting on >saturday, and i think one of the creation story says it's sunday that we >shouldn't work or whatever, No, they just say "Keep the sabbath holy". It deosnt say "Sunday" so you know what's in the Bible... > >it's important to know what the book says, and what's in it.but as someone >(i >think james) wrote a week or so back, it's kinda more like a tool or a >guideline (if that, in regard to particular matters) than a tablet full of >all the hidden mysteries of the world, methinks. >sometimes it seems like one big koan. The Bible isn't a bunch of stories to teach a lesson. Its both a guidline for life, and a history book. Its meant to be taken literally. - -kelly ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:21:02 -0400 From: "Kevin B. Pease" Subject: ET: Re: playing god. "~* cymbaline *~" writes: > Well, its official. They've mapped all 23 chromosomes. And thats a HUGE > deal! Now they can tell in advance if someone will have diseases, ect. And > they can stop it. In fact, they can make everyone so healthy, they'll live > to be 140-150. Don't confuse having the knowledge with knowing what to do with it... yes, we know lots about the genetic sequences of the chromosomes... but that doesn't mean we know a hundredth of what we need to know to manipulate that information to suddenly make us all live to 200 years old... > (well at least thats what my psychology teacher said... and sometimes he > don't know what he's talking about) Psychology teachers don't always know what genetics is about... :) > Science is FUCKED UP!!!! I don't want to be cloned! I don't want to live to > be really OLD! I don't want to go to mars! Why can't we just accept the way > God and nature intended tings, and stop trying to play god?! Because thats > what we're doing in the world. We're playing god with the way the world is > going to be. I'm not sure why this is such a big deal, really. Science has been "tampering" with the natural order of things for hundreds of years... if it weren't for science, living to be "really old" would be living to the age of 30 or 35... the sequencing of the human genome does give us a lot of information, and the potential to cure all sorts of diseases & extend our life spans for a significant time... but, think of it this way -- if I give you a trailer full of seventy thousand combination locks, and tell you "the combination of one of these locks contains some 7's, 5's, 2's, and 3's", this does not mean that you can open every lock in there, or necessarily ANY of the locks at all. We've got some information, but this is far from being handed the master key. > I hate this world. I can't wait til the day I'm with the Lord. I think this world is pretty damned great, and I'm sorry that you don't like it... but really, all we're talking about here is that someday, we'll have an extension of medical knowledge as a result of this. There's still a lot of work to be done before we're living to the age of 150 or 200... - -- Kevin Pease kbpease@concentric.net ICQ UIN: 3106063 AOL IM: kbpease ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V3 #160 **********************************