From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #159 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Monday, April 24 2000 Volume 03 : Number 159 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * eda-thoughts-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY * the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: ET: Ani, Ani, und Scott ["Alexander Rühl" ] Re: ET: Ani, Ani, und Scott [JewelAng@aol.com] ET: Re: ani [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #158 [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] ET: SV: i never said Kat should kill herself ["marty" ] Re: ET: i never said Kat should kill herself ["Kevin Pease" ] ET: kat's anti-life views [Katherine Alexandra ] ET: random poem [courtney gordon ] ET: Elian Gonzalez ["Seth D. Fulmer" ] Re: [ET: Ani, Ani, und Scott] [Naomi Vaughn ] ET: ~read to know~ [shivergirl ] ET: newbies and the lil folksinger :) [shivergirl ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:01:05 CEST From: "Alexander Rühl" Subject: Re: ET: Ani, Ani, und Scott Hi! my name's alex and i'm new on the list. not that i'm a new EDA but it's my first time on such a mailing-list. i'm from Munich Germany, so please excuse my grammar... the first mail i got from the list was from rebecca and she wanted to know whether there are some folks around who dig Ani Difranco (besides Jewel, of course!!!)... so here i am! i was told about Ani by a friend of mine who heard something about her on a local radio station. so i went to see her at a concert down here in Munich. when she finally got on stage you could have knocked me over with a feather - - i was just overwhelmed by her presence and her energy!!! that girl seriously rulez!!! i also own her albums "to the teeth" and "not a pretty girl" - two great records everybody should own!!! by the way: anybody knows "bitch and animal" ? - they were Ani's support act down here in Munich, and i tell, you they're crazy! ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:07:36 EDT From: JewelAng@aol.com Subject: Re: ET: Ani, Ani, und Scott In a message dated 4/24/00 4:04:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, alexruehl@hotmail.com writes: << i was told about Ani by a friend of mine who heard something about her on a local radio station. so i went to see her at a concert down here in Munich. when she finally got on stage you could have knocked me over with a feather - i was just overwhelmed by her presence and her energy!!! that girl seriously rulez!!! i also own her albums "to the teeth" and "not a pretty girl" - two great records everybody should own!!! >> Oooo I know! I saw Ani live. That is like something on this earth that can not be compared to anything else! And "To the Teeth" is good too. That's the other album of her's I own.. Rebecca - -------------------------------- http://www.envy.nu/ophelia Ophelia Spins http://nettrash.com/users/majesticramblings .majestic.ramblings. http://www.envy.nu/souls Common hearts with common dreams (cliques) http://www.angelfire.com/yt/horns My horns keep up my halo (webring) - ----------------------------------- Into the night of the heart your name drops slowly and moves in silence and falls and breaks and spreads its water *Pablo Neruda* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:27:41 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: ET: Re: ani just wanted to say, i hope no one misinterprets my post. Ani rules, I've liked her for a long time now... no longer cradled in gravity's memory still in and spinning in spiral drifts of endlessness spinning in torment into the garden of light - -Pale Saints "A Thousand Stars Burst Open" http://www.chickpages.com/musicmania/joepages ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:26:34 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #158 In a message dated 4/24/00 12:08:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org writes: << That's why I'm so grateful to people like Jewel and Ani Difranco, who try to further this "higher conciousness" effort >> How is that? I would say the real artists that get the higher awareness are the indie bands, and I mean the REAL indie stuff. no longer cradled in gravity's memory still in and spinning in spiral drifts of endlessness spinning in torment into the garden of light - -Pale Saints "A Thousand Stars Burst Open" http://www.chickpages.com/musicmania/joepages ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:02:06 +0200 From: "marty" Subject: ET: SV: i never said Kat should kill herself - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 5:00 PM Subject: ET: i never said Kat should kill herself > The fact that so many of you so drastically misunderstood my statement and > began screaming: "Ah! He said she should kill herself!", sent me long, > frantic, rambling and rude e-mails and then began posting lengthy stories > about how you've all wanted to kill yourself makes me question some of the > reasoning skills on this list. but never you'd question your own, right? > rude e-mails and how about all the words you carelessly threw around you; those i'd never even get across to repeat for myself... oh yeah, everyone's got their right to lose temper; grow up. >> and then began posting lengthy stories about how you've all wanted to kill yourself << now; how insensitive wasn't that statement??? so you actually mean depression/suicide is a topic worthy of *less* discussion up-time than what we're talking here and right at this very moment? well that's yer attitude, isn't it... pitiful. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:48:16 EDT From: "Kevin Pease" Subject: Re: ET: i never said Kat should kill herself RedWoodenBeads@aol.com writes: >I never said Kat should kill herself. I never in any way alluded to Kat >that she should commit suicide. Never did I prompt Kat to end her own >life. It never happened. It wasn't said, perdiod. Our mistake, Joe. We must've misread when you said, "Well why don't you be the first to help with this problem. Kill yourself." (And yes, that's a direct quote from your post... check the archives if you don't believe it. I'm not leaving out context. This is, end to end, your entire response to her statement: "what can we do about it? mainly just education and wider accessibility towards birth control. but it is a problem bc we are overwhelming the planet. WE REALLY DONT NEED THIS MANY PEOPLE.") Now, I can't say that I agree with Kat's statement 100%... currently, I don't think it's as much of a problem as she seems to think. But, I do think it will become a problem someday in the not-too-distant future, if the population continues growing at an exponential rate. And I don't think that she meant we should be offing people to reduce the population. Do you truly think that Kat meant "10% of the people on the planet right now are excess baggage, and shouldn't be alive," as you seem to be saying? I didn't get that impression, at all. But, I can see how you MIGHT interpret it that way, so we'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that's a "shame on you for poor phrasing" to Kat. So Kat, "Bad girl. What you should've said was, 'we need to slow down our exponential rate of growth.'" Then we come to YOUR response, Joe -- with all due respect, your metaphors suck. If you were trying to make a point that she was being "anti-life", why didn't you make the point initially, by SAYING that you felt it was anti-life, and that you thought she was saying we should be killing off people because the earth is overpopulated? And please don't tell us it's because we're too small minded to understand jokes & metaphors. Here's an easy rule of thumb to remember: If 90% of the people you're communicating with misunderstand you, the poor communication is most probably your own fault, not theirs. This is also affectionately known as the "50 million Elvis fans can't be wrong" theory. Kevin - ---------- Kevin Pease kbpease@concentric.net ICQ UIN: 3106063 AOL IM: kbpease "Everybody asks me how she's doing / Has she really lost her mind? / I say, 'Hey, I couldn't tell you, I've lost mine. . . '" -----{Dave Matthews Band, "Pay For What You Get"}----- ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:42:44 GMT From: "~* cymbaline *~" Subject: ET: playing god. Well, its official. They've mapped all 23 chromosomes. And thats a HUGE deal! Now they can tell in advance if someone will have diseases, ect. And they can stop it. In fact, they can make everyone so healthy, they'll live to be 140-150. Yup. We'll still be young and at the prime of our lives when we are 75! (well at least thats what my psychology teacher said... and sometimes he don't know what he's talking about) But if that whole thing is true, that we'll be living to see the ripe old age of 130 or higher, that'll really do something on our population. Because less people will be dying and more people will be birthing. The birth/mortality rates won't be at an even level, but rather, birth rates will be sky high, and mortality rates will be low. We'll be so overpopulated its not even funny. Science is FUCKED UP!!!! I don't want to be cloned! I don't want to live to be really OLD! I don't want to go to mars! Why can't we just accept the way God and nature intended tings, and stop trying to play god?! Because thats what we're doing in the world. We're playing god with the way the world is going to be. I hate this world. I can't wait til the day I'm with the Lord. Peace, Kelly ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:00:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Katherine Alexandra Subject: ET: kat's anti-life views if any of you have ever read any of my posts or thoughts you would completely know that i dont have an anti-life look on life. i really dont feel like justifying myself right now though bc i am extremely stressed and i am moving next week....but i just want to clear myself on this one: joe said that i should kill myself, it was a sarcastic comment and i know that. it was meant to shock me, to show me something, to prove something. yet it didn't joe. it was a bunch of bull shit and i didn't work. it had a reverese affect. what i received from that post was someone giving me a personal attack that hurt and seemed a bit ridiculous, bc we all go here to this list for some sort of comfort from reality, to be able to opennly express ourselves without the fear of hurtfull words that we hear everywhere else. joe showed that some people just don't respect that comfort, that peace, that ability to be open without comments out to hurt someone. kat __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:05:50 -0400 (EDT) From: courtney gordon Subject: ET: love Dear Angels, Love sucks. I just thought I would share this with all of you. love is one of the most amazing and yet horrifying and depressing emotions that a person can ever feel. If you love somebody and still can't have them because they're all the fucking way across the damn country it's a horrible feeling. UGH! Just a thought. I am also depressed on the new realization that my two best friends are Chris and my guitar. Serina and I aren't really as good as we used to be at all, and it's Brooke's fault... She came between us, broke apart serina and i, and serene and her aren't even friends anymore! I mean....ugh, WTF?! Well, no, Chris, Paul and my guitar. which sucks because, Paul I can only see every weekend if I'm lucky, Chris I can't see at all, and my guitar is an inanimate thing that cannot give me advice. I just felt like complaining to all of you... Court ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:24:01 -0400 (EDT) From: courtney gordon Subject: ET: random poem Dear Angels, just a random pulled-it-outta-my-butt poem Unfinished #4 It's so much easier to just let go and stop putting so much energy into acting happy. Into pretending everthing's okay. Because it's not okay. Everything is NOT okay, and it won't ever BE okay. ~~~~~~~~~~~ I'm doing some cleaning out of my poetry folder, and I'm planning on giving away some of it to anyone who wants one. I only have two stamps right now, so I can only send out 2 envelopes, but if anyone here wants some certain poems of mine (free, of course, I'm not that concieted to think you'd pay for them), feel free to send me your address along with names of any of my poems you want (if you know them) or if you don't care, then just specify how many. love yall Court ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:32:29 -0400 From: "Seth D. Fulmer" Subject: ET: Elian Gonzalez Hey everyone, I debated sending this because of all the hatred flying around on this list. I wrote one of my world famous essays(well this is the first one I didn't delete right away like I did all the others) about my opinion on this topic. I do want your opinions because perhaps *gasp* I am wrong on facts, or my beliefs can be changed by one of your opinions. Please though I don't want to be attacked as my essay is not meant to attack any person, race, genotype, species, phylum, or kingdom of creation. I guess I'm sending it to the list to try to move the attacks from where they've been going. Anyhow, the essay is located on the web at: "http://www.voicenet.com/~kaosking/Elian.htm" Take cares and I hope you all have a fantastic Day! :o) Seth D. Fulmer mailto:kaosking@voicenet.com ------------------------------ Date: 24 Apr 00 15:51:18 CDT From: Naomi Vaughn Subject: Re: [ET: Ani, Ani, und Scott] All I have of Ani is "Little Plastic Castles," but that just hooked me, and I adore her now. :) love, nai JewelAng@aol.com wrote: > For once Scott is right. Ani rocks. "Living in Clip" is the best album > of her's I own. But right now I'm addicted to the Ani CD I just bought > Friday. It's called "Like I said" from 1993. "Not a Pretty Girl" is also a > very good album. I'd say get "Living in Clip" if you get anything. But the > price is kinda steep because it's a two CD set. If you don't want to shell > out that much money, I'd say get "Not a Pretty Girl." > > Anyone else here big Ani fans besides Scott? > > Rebecca > > -------------------------------- > http://www.envy.nu/ophelia > Ophelia Spins > http://nettrash.com/users/majesticramblings > .majestic.ramblings. > http://www.envy.nu/souls > Common hearts with common dreams (cliques) > http://www.angelfire.com/yt/horns > My horns keep up my halo (webring) > ----------------------------------- > Into the night of the heart > your name drops slowly > and moves in silence > and falls > and breaks and spreads its water > *Pablo Neruda* "if anybody ever had a heart, well i wouldn't be alone" ~mb20, "hang" ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 19:03:27 -0400 From: shivergirl Subject: ET: ~read to know~ + you can keep the story, get it officially registered, morally insured; i'm sure it'll be worth worlds of remembrance, someday; but today i am not reading in between the spaces, because the names of my cavities have all been changed to better suit her needs; i have been white-washed, black-balled, when i adore colour-- it hardly seems fair; i am captured like the butterfly in a caterpillar museum you blitzkrieged into disturbing memory yesterday, unbound and unbothered by something as limiting as reality + the postcard i never got; the slice of missing you never sent; the concept of closure somehow suspended, between the insecurity and demands of the new girlfriend + my breasts have never had a purpose; they were always just two constant, embarrassing erections on my chest; jutting, poking, thrusting out, at a time when i knew absolutely nothing about love-giving immersions or excursions of all that lies underneath; how lust and her twin sister lust could be physically manifested, inside out + ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 19:16:31 -0400 From: shivergirl Subject: ET: newbies and the lil folksinger :) welcome alex(ander)!!!! :) Alexander Rühl wrote: > Hi! > my name's alex and i'm new on the list. > not that i'm a new EDA but it's my first time on such a mailing-list. stick around, and don't be scared away. > i'm from Munich Germany, so please excuse my grammar... yer english rocks, what are you worrying about??? :)sides, personally i adore esl people the mostest. :) i'm kinda biased that way, my soulmate is from sveden. ;) > the first mail i got from the list was from rebecca and she wanted to know > whether there are some folks around who dig Ani Difranco > (besides Jewel, of course!!!)... fer me, i find myself digging ani more than jewel these days..i saw the former spunky chica on net aid, last night, singing with bono, but i'm listnie to my angelfood way more than i even think of putting on ~spirit.~ > so here i am! > i was told about Ani by a friend of mine who heard something about her on a > local radio station. so i went to see her at a concert down here in Munich. yer so lucky! :)definitely something i have to do, before i die... ;) > when she finally got on stage you could have knocked me over with a feather > - i was just overwhelmed by her presence and her energy!!! she's the ultimate joyful girl. :)by far. if you ever hear ~living in clip,~ you'll hear what i mean.... :) i love the travelling story, the double-whammy, did anne frank see jesus before she died digression, and the interspersed commentary in between ~out of habit.~ :) > that girl seriously rulez!!! yeah, i recenlty got a biography of her, and it's really interesting.especially impressive is the open letter she wrote to ms. magazine a few years back.. :) > i also own her albums "to the teeth" and "not a pretty girl" - two great > records everybody should own!!! i do! but i agree with you, although i have a soft spot for ~like i said~ (my first)and ~not so soft,~ her oldie-more-folkie sound. ~gratitude~ and ~brief bus stop~ rock! > by the way: anybody knows "bitch and animal" ? - they were Ani's support act > down here in Munich, and i tell, you they're crazy! no, sorree..oh, and nikita, i saw an ad for bif on buffy, dunno if it was a re-run, but thought i would let you know.... :) awesome credits and bashings on her liner notes, eh? :) take kares, taRA. t.s. if anyone bothered to read my session, lust's twin sister is not lust--but trust ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V3 #159 **********************************