From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #158 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Monday, April 24 2000 Volume 03 : Number 158 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * eda-thoughts-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY * the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- ET: sometimes even heros need a break [Katherine Ale] ET: strangest places [Naomi ] ET: Re: tara, tara, tara [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] ET: Whoo hoo.. When I feel heavy metal.. ["Scott" ] Re: ET: Re: tara, tara, tara [shivergirl ] ET: Re: more rudeness from tara [shivergirl ] [none] [shivergirl ] Re: ET: Re: tara, tara, tara ["Kevin Pease" ] ET: Ani, Ani, und Scott [JewelAng@aol.com] ET: i never said Kat should kill herself [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 21:16:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Katherine Alexandra Subject: ET: sometimes even heros need a break sometimes even hero's need a break my hero has grown tierd and weary of my ways his hands are beginning to let go and his cape is being put nicely back into the box which it came from he has given up on those dreams of rescuing me of saving me from the dangers and i have turned into another little girl with only a memory of what was left empty handed searching for some sign that my hero might come back to piece together what has been broken __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 21:29:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Naomi Subject: ET: strangest places she calls tv shows "programs," she cuts my sandwiches into fours, and tells me "finish your milk." she frets over interrupting "my time" & feels the sting of every tear, every sigh. I saw myself in her eyes, & I saw where I thought I was meant to be --- I don't see her much anymore, her touch is no longer familiar, I don't know what has become of her eyes, & I'm not really sure what's become of mine as well. - -- looking at my steamed reflection, I feel the weight of my years the significance of every curve, every inch... I remember being 9, and watching those girls - so beautiful, so tall - I remember thinking, that's it. I see myself now, and I can't help but wonder: when did I get here? ===== "What is Desire? Desire is... complicated. One person always wants the other person more." -VS __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 00:16:32 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: ET: Re: tara, tara, tara In a message dated 4/23/00 9:02:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org writes: << > I think the Bible's creation > story is....basically horseshit. which one? ;) >> Tara, that is really disrespectful of other people's beliefs. By the way, I noticed you shut up about overpopulation as soon as you read the portion of my report I posted. no longer cradled in gravity's memory still in and spinning in spiral drifts of endlessness spinning in torment into the garden of light - -Pale Saints "A Thousand Stars Burst Open" http://www.chickpages.com/musicmania/joepages ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 04:38:52 -0400 From: "Scott" Subject: ET: Whoo hoo.. When I feel heavy metal.. Hi, my name is Scott; I work in a button factory. Nah, actually I was on this list before, but I quit because I had too much mail (AOL porn greetings and whatnot).. *warning.. stream-of-conciousness full speed ahead* ..I'm so sick of waking up every morning and being a.. I don't know, a lifeless mound of flesh.. What am I doing? God knows I'm not being productive at all.. I've decided that this is all bullshit.. All of it.. The world, 99.999% of its people.. I'd rather live a happy life helping others than be rich and unhappy doing nothing to try to prevent the world's inevitable doom.. People have the wrong priorities in life.. It shouldn't be about money and popularity, but about true personal happiness and trying to give that to others.. That's why I'm so grateful to people like Jewel and Ani Difranco, who try to further this "higher conciousness" effort.. If you haven't heard of Ani, I highly suggest getting her music.. She has, I think, 13 or 14 CD's.. I'd suggest starting with "Living In Clip," her double live.. You get a taste of everything.. Then go to Little Plastic Castle, my personal favorite of hers at the moment.. If you don't mind, I'm going to share the lyrics for her song "Fuel" (it's on LPC).. If you do, too bad, skip it.. Fuel Ani Difranco they were digging a new foundation in manhattan and they discovered a slave cemetery there may their souls rest easy now that lynching is frowned upon and we've moved on to the electric chair and i wonder who's gonna be president tweedle dumb or tweedle dumber? and who's gonna have the big blockbuster box office this summer? how 'bout we put up a wall between the houses and the highway and then you can go your way and i can go my way except all the radios agree with all the tv's and the magazines agree with all the radios and i keep hearing that same damn song everywhere i go maybe i should put a bucket over my head and a marshmallow in each ear and stumble around for another dumb numb week for another hum drum hit song to appear people used to make records as in a record of an event the event of people playing music in a room now everything is cross-marketing it's about sunglasses and shoes or guns or drugs you choose we got it rehashed we got it half-assed we're digging up all the graves and we're spitting on the past and we can choose between the colors of the lipstick on the whores cuz we know the difference between the font of twenty percent more and the font of teriyaki you tell me how does it make you feel? you tell me what's real they say that alcoholics are always alcoholics even when they're as dry as my lips for years even when they're stranded on a small desert island with no place in two thousand miles to buy beer and i wonder is he different is he different has he changes what he's about or is he just a liar with nothing to lie about am i headed for the same brick wall is there anything i can do about anything at all except go back to that corner in manhattan and dig deeper dig deeper this time down beneath the impossible pain of out history beneath unknown bones beneath the bedrock of the mystery beneath the sewage system and the path train beneath the cobblestones and the water main beneath the traffic of friendships and street deals beneath the screeching of kamikaze cab wheels beneath everything i can think of to think about beneath it all beneath all get out beneath the good and the bad and the stupid and the cruel there's a fire just waiting for fuel a fire just waiting for fuel.. Scott Evans jwfan112@earthlink.net AOL IM - JewelDSL ICQ #63589535 Let Me Fly - A Jewel Fansite http://altern.org/jewellmf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:02:16 -0400 From: "Seth D. Fulmer" Subject: Re: ET: Re: tara, tara, tara At 12:16 AM 4/24/00 EDT, RedWoodenBeads@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 4/23/00 9:02:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org writes: > ><< > I think the Bible's creation > > story is....basically horseshit. > > which one? ;) >> > >Tara, that is really disrespectful of other people's beliefs. By the way, I People, One of the things that annoys me the most in humanity is to be criticized without an alternative suggested, and also when I notice it being done to something else. Tara, might I ask what "creation story" you prefer then if you so disagree with the Bible(whichever bible that might be)'s version? People in my fraternity do this all the time to me and there have been times I just walk out of the meetings because I am not going to put up with it. I will suggest a solution to some problem or an event even perhaps, and they'll attack it, but not give any reason why it's so wrong with their state of being, just that it sucks or that it is bad. My main rule of thumb is: If you don't have a possible solution, or won't admit that you don't have one, don't tell me the problem because ignorance is bliss. A butterfly doesn't fret flying towards a flame. Tunafish don't fret swimming into the mouth of a dolphin. The reason is unknown to me, but I presume that it's because they're ignorant of their fate. It's possible that someone just needs help solving the problem and I will do that, but not solve it for someone. I will just fret if I am given a problem I can't solve myself. Can we please calm down? I have no clue why I'm so happy to be suggesting this(normally I'd keep my mouth shut) but I am sensing rising hostilities and that's not good. I hope everyone had a great Easter weekend if they are Christian, or just a great weekend anyhow. Take care and Have a Fantastic week ahead :o) Seth D. Fulmer mailto:kaosking@voicenet.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:12:51 -0400 (EDT) From: shivergirl Subject: Re: ET: Re: tara, tara, tara RedWoodenBeads@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/23/00 9:02:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org writes: > > << > I think the Bible's creation > > story is....basically horseshit. > > which one? ;) >> > > Tara, that is really disrespectful of other people's beliefs. i don't see how; there's more than one in genesis. i've learned them both; i've believed them both.i'm just wondering which one y'all are talking about. > By the way, I > noticed you shut up about overpopulation as soon as you read the portion of > my report I posted. haven't made it all the way through yet, but it had some valid points.doesn't mean you've completely swayed me yer way, though, joe. shutting up is not the same as pondering new information. you would do well to try the latter, but i'm sure most us would settle for just the former. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:38:23 -0400 From: shivergirl Subject: ET: Re: more rudeness from tara the thrill of seeing my name in so many lights this morn! ;) RedWoodenBeads@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/23/00 9:02:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org writes: > > << > By the way, I don't > > think Joe is an asshole. > > well, yer in the minority then aren't ya? > > get a life oh, you mean a "real" one!!!! > > > > He's allowed to state his opinions regardless of > > what they are. > > sure, but it would be nice if he was convinced of them. >> > > i'm not sure what you're talking about here. case in point. > It doesn't make any sense. Oh > well, I'm sure you don't know either. don't project yer scrambled mental state onto me, boy-o. > > > Have you read my "Ending the myth of overpopulation" post yet? That should > quiet your rudness. i never meant to be rude; i apologize to anyone who thinks i was.(cept joe here, of course :) truth is, i'm still puzzling over that curious byline... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:44:26 -0400 From: shivergirl Subject: [none] Subject: ET: Re: a comment Sender: owner-eda-thoughts@smoe.org Precedence: bulk RedWoodenBeads@aol.com wrote: > you know, I myself don't buy into the Bible's creation story, well, well. > but the way you > referred to people's belief's which they hold sacred was utterly hideous. it was light-hearted banter in a era on the list of unblinking seriousness.i'm fucking catholic! i'm not dismissing people's religious, creation-story beliefs out of hand. but the truth is, there _are_ two creation stories. the adam&eve version, and the world was created in 7 days one. it always confused me, that they couldn't even get that straight or amalgamated into one narrative. just always threw me back as soon as i got into the bible.. > > > You're an intolerant asshole. personally, i prefer never to even use the word "tolerant," much less "intolerant."it implies a hideous sense of moral superiority at the get-go, like you somehow have to lower yourself to "tolerate" pepole and their differing beliefs.. i like listen, challenge and try out. but i've yet to get to three with most of your statements. k, nuff. hope everyone had a glad pask. :) taRA. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 10:02:19 EDT From: "Kevin Pease" Subject: Re: ET: Re: tara, tara, tara RedWoodenBeads@aol.com wrote: >By the way, I noticed you shut up about overpopulation as soon as you >read the portion of my report I posted. Joe, I won't dispute that there are some good points in this paper, but you've twice now tried to pass it off as part of "your report", which certainly makes it sound as if you wrote it. I didn't say anything about the original post, nor about your "it's part of a report I did last year post", because I figured it was part of the *research* for your report. But now you've claimed it as "part of your report" twice... and that's a wee bit disingenuous, bordering on plagiaristic, don't you think? Folks, you can read the WHOLE of "Joe's report" on the web site for the Population Research Institute (http://www.pop.org). Strangely enough, an _exact_ copy of what Joe posted appears there; the part he posted _happens_ to be word-for-word the same as the "Background" portion of the report, which is actually the text of a Congressional Briefing prepared & delivered to a congressional committee. So Joe, unless you are part of the "expert panel" who prepared & gave this briefing to a congressional committee... Let's give credit where credit is due, huh? And next time, don't insult our intelligence by trying to pass off something you didn't write as your own material. http://www.pop.org/students/cbbackg.html Kevin - -- Kevin Pease kbpease@concentric.net ICQ UIN: 3106063 AOL IM: kbpease ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 14:55:11 EDT From: JewelAng@aol.com Subject: ET: Ani, Ani, und Scott For once Scott is right. Ani rocks. "Living in Clip" is the best album of her's I own. But right now I'm addicted to the Ani CD I just bought Friday. It's called "Like I said" from 1993. "Not a Pretty Girl" is also a very good album. I'd say get "Living in Clip" if you get anything. But the price is kinda steep because it's a two CD set. If you don't want to shell out that much money, I'd say get "Not a Pretty Girl." Anyone else here big Ani fans besides Scott? Rebecca - -------------------------------- http://www.envy.nu/ophelia Ophelia Spins http://nettrash.com/users/majesticramblings .majestic.ramblings. http://www.envy.nu/souls Common hearts with common dreams (cliques) http://www.angelfire.com/yt/horns My horns keep up my halo (webring) - ----------------------------------- Into the night of the heart your name drops slowly and moves in silence and falls and breaks and spreads its water *Pablo Neruda* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:00:46 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: ET: i never said Kat should kill herself I thought perhaps some of you got my statement in response to Kat's (that is her name, right?) statement about how WE DON'T NEED ALL THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THIS EARTH. But judging from some of the e-mails I have recieved lately, I am prompted to write this post. Let's get one thing straight. I never said Kat should kill herself. I never in any way alluded to Kat that she should commit suicide. Never did I prompt Kat to end her own life. It never happened. It wasn't said, perdiod. The statement I made was a metaphore to point out how anti-lie Kat's statement was. Through Kat's way of thinking, not every human being that is alive today has the right to be here. There are some human persons, with loves, dreams and hopes, who have no right to exist. In this way, they have no right to live. And the opposite of life, is death. The birth of a baby is not a time to rejoice and be filled with joy, but rather an occasion to be sorrowful and mourn the overpopulation of the earth. A man looks at himself, and sees he is just another organism existing on this planet, a piece of a species, and expendible at that. So what reason is there for him to live? Why should he still go on living? It is Kat's post that advocated suicide. By my statement, I was simply making it more clear just how anti-life her words were. I thought some of you would able to realize that. I thought you would look deeply at the words and contemplate their meaning, instead of just lookingt at how everything looks on the surface. Countless times I have used this arguement, and countless times, people get it. They understand. Perhaps I should have posted all of this with my first post. I thought that you people would think about these things, and understand them, and reason, I suppose I was wrong. The fact that so many of you so drastically misunderstood my statement and began screaming: "Ah! He said she should kill herself!", sent me long, frantic, rambling and rude e-mails and then began posting lengthy stories about how you've all wanted to kill yourself makes me question some of the reasoning skills on this list. no longer cradled in gravity's memory still in and spinning in spiral drifts of endlessness spinning in torment into the garden of light - -Pale Saints "A Thousand Stars Burst Open" http://www.chickpages.com/musicmania/joepages ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V3 #158 **********************************