From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #157 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Monday, April 24 2000 Volume 03 : Number 157 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * eda-thoughts-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY * the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: ET: blah blah blah [shivergirl ] ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #155 [Cassidy831@aol.com] ET: hostile, hostile.. [shivergirl ] ET: My Story (Long) [Zaria2@aol.com] ET: My new poem on parts of EDA ["stephen" ] Re: ET: ~nearly every night now~ [DPS8315@aol.com] ET: Re: overpopulation [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] ET: lovely crits come back :) [shivergirl ] ET: an intriguing perspective, in light of recent debate [shivergirl Subject: Re: ET: blah blah blah > > > I'm not going to sit here and tell you that you're wrong, but I disagree. I > have my own beliefs concerning God. I don't need a book, a church, or people > like you to point out examples of his existence. i agree. > Granted, if those things did > not exist, I would not be the same person that I am today, but this is how it > is and I've learned to stop asking questions. how sad. what's left when we lose our ability to be awed and ponder the mystery of the universe?it reminds me of that african proverb: "not to know is bad. not to want to know is worse." > I think the Bible's creation > story is....basically horseshit. which one? ;) taRa. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 00:00:48 EDT From: Cassidy831@aol.com Subject: ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #155 In a message dated 4/22/100 4:37:28 PM EST, owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org writes: << What a bullshit statement. I do believe that this is the same person that said 'puh fucking please' about something i wrote earlier....and also the same person that told me something along the lines of how 'people who think they are absolutely right annoy me'. Hypocrite. By the way, I don't think Joe is an asshole. He's allowed to state his opinions regardless of what they are. >> Well, you were right about the puh-fucking-lease part, but I never said anything about people who think they're absolutely right annoy me. I have not experienced everything, and neither has anyone else in this world. I suggest you make sure who it is you're quoting before you go around calling people hypocrites dear. And I suppose that if it had anything to do with you, you would have known that I kept my mouth shut on the whole Joe ordeal until he attacked something I said. I didn't think it was that big of a deal. I dont think telling someone to kill herself is the greatest thing in the world, but I wasn't about to get into an argument about it. And yes, he does have the right to his own opinions as does everyone else....but he must accept the fact that not everyone is going to like them, as should you. And if they get upset about it, it's their choice. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 00:09:27 -0400 From: shivergirl Subject: ET: hostile, hostile.. Niki wrote: > >>>>that everyone thinks you're an asshole for it. But for one, you have no > >>>>idea > who I am, and two, I have not once jumped all over you for acting like an 11 > year old. The fact that you're attacking my wonderfully correct statements > :o) with words like fuckhead...well obviously you know what you did was > wrong > and you are just pissed off because everyone is yelling at you for being a > moron.>>>>>> > > What a bullshit statement. I do believe that this is the same person that > said 'puh fucking please' about something i wrote earlier.... i liked that, personally. > and also the > same person that told me something along the lines of how 'people who think > they are absolutely right annoy me'. Hypocrite. i think she (cassie?) was trying to get you or whoever to question instead of just blindly swallow. > By the way, I don't > think Joe is an asshole. well, yer in the minority then aren't ya? > He's allowed to state his opinions regardless of > what they are. sure, but it would be nice if he was convinced of them. > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 00:13:04 EDT From: Zaria2@aol.com Subject: ET: My Story (Long) Hi- I know I don't post much- not at all really, but I thought I'd let you know about me like some of the others are doing. I've had a rough night so maybe this will help me sort things out. My name's Jen, I'm 17 years old, and I live in NJ. I had your pretty normal childhood. I hated 7th and 8th grade, but got over that even though I still hate school. I started to see a psychiatrist when I was in 7th grade but I stopped going because I wouldn't talk to her about anything. From 8th grade til now (11th grade) I've switched back and forth between friends. Now here's the big issue in my life right now... a couple years ago I met a guy over AOL that lives in Ohio- his name is Tony. We became really great friends- talked to each other about everything. We never met- and still haven't- but we both agreed that out of everyone in our lives, we knew each other the best. This past summer, he fell in love with me, and I fell in love with him. For about 2 months I was the happiest I've ever been- we'd talk every night from 11ish to 2 or 3 in the morning. And we really talked- we were so open with each other. In September we sort of grew apart- school and our work schedules clashed so we were barely able to talk twice a week. Then, for a couple months, his computer broke and we didn't talk at all. Although we sort of drifted apart, we knew we still had feelings for each other- I loved him, and still do. We'd go through spells where we wouldn't talk for a couple weeks at a time. Then I found out that he had a girlfriend- Lindsay. I was crushed. About a month and a half ago he told me they were pretty much over. Then I heard that she moved in with him and his mom. I wasn't sure if I believed this so I called his house and asked for her- she lives there. A few days ago I sent him a letter telling him how I feel. Although we've never met, and we barely talk to each other, I still love him- and I think he's my soul mate. He was my everything- its scary when something can consume you like that- when you can lose yourself in another person. So here I sit.... heartbroken, confused, numb. I have no idea what I'm doing- or what I want to do. I feel like I'm a zombie just walking around- trying to make it through the day. Well I think this post has gotten long enough. Please feel free to write or IM me, I'm always willing to talk.... especially if you have advice. - -Jen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 01:48:48 -0400 From: "stephen" Subject: ET: My new poem on parts of EDA (sigh). comments, suggestions, and praise welcome... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 02:06:13 EDT From: DPS8315@aol.com Subject: Re: ET: ~nearly every night now~ + we are driving home alone, we are finally, blessedly, grown-up-- not merely living inside this poem, waiting for our real-time characters to show up - ----->you know, I dont think I've ever identified more with your poetry.. - ----->because I really do know *exactly how that is* well, at least the first part.. - ----->here is my rendition of these things... that line3) it's not just living on the inside of spiral bound pages of poetry, it's coloring on the lines, between the lines, everywhere that the lines didn't have the courage to run to, that's where we've gone - ----->and lines4-5)and now we're here, real-time characters in our own story book - ----->you could also make another reference to the whole driving thing.. where are you driving, what's going on with the road, etc + love me up and i'll electrify you down - ----->..you down... how about, "all the way down.." but down where? down his zipper! zippers can make sparks! like lighting matches eh.. just some randomized thoughts for consumption emitting gasps and sparks where we tremble - ----->I dont think I've ever really elicitly described just what I feel when I read your poetry.. your word choice is just so dynamic and electrifying, it makes me wish I was a smart lil Canadian too! - ----->(that's my why of saying I'll be stealing this image, thanks:)) and hiccup with love (kisses abound) desperate and longing aching to create a whole new noun - ----->such lovely praises from me and I come to this and I feel like I want to kill you. - ----->probably shouldn't say that given how touchy everyone is, *but* - ----->can you pretty pretty please get rid of this whole last part and do something worthy of your capacity? - ----->maybe just end it at ...create ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 10:36:14 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: ET: Re: overpopulation I forgot to give the backround of my post. It was a part of a report I did my freshman year (last year) entitled "Ending the Myth of Overpopulation and The Crimes Commited by Population Control Programs". no longer cradled in gravity's memory still in and spinning in spiral drifts of endlessness spinning in torment into the garden of light - -Pale Saints "A Thousand Stars Burst Open" http://www.chickpages.com/musicmania/joepages ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:25:32 -0400 From: shivergirl Subject: ET: lovely crits come back :) DPS8315@aol.com wrote: > ----->you know, I dont think I've ever identified more with your poetry.. thank you, james, dear boy. :) glad you didn't traipse off into the "real" world for a week.... ;) > ----->because I really do know *exactly how that is* well, at least the > first part.. think we all do, cept maybe that fogie that dispenses advice about partying....what's his name again? kevin? ;) > ----->here is my rendition of these things... that line3) it's not just > living on the inside of spiral bound pages of poetry, it's coloring on the > lines, between the lines, everywhere that the lines didn't have the courage > to run to, that's where we've gone beautiful rendition or interpretation.give the man an ovation people! :) and it's nail-on-the-head, too! :) > ----->and lines4-5)and now we're here, real-time characters in our own story > book > ----->you could also make another reference to the whole driving thing.. > where are you driving, what's going on with the road, etc i spose. :)but i don't know the first, although i have a funny feeling the signs won't be in english... :) > + > love me > up > and i'll electrify > you > down > ----->..you down... how about, "all the way down.." how bout wishful thinking, james? ;) > but down where? under. ;) > down his > zipper! my word, james! :) what a mind you have! > zippers can make sparks! sure, and guess who invented the zipper??? :) > like lighting matches eh.. just some > randomized thoughts for consumption lovely way putting things....always yer saving grace. :) > > > emitting gasps > and sparks > where we tremble > ----->I dont think I've ever really elicitly described just what I feel when > I read your poetry.. your word choice is just so dynamic and electrifying, > it makes me wish I was a smart lil Canadian too! awwwwwwwwwwww :) > ----->(that's my why of saying I'll be stealing this image, thanks:)) yer never a real poh-et til someone steals yer werk, right? :) > and hiccup > with love > > (kisses abound) > > desperate and longing > aching to create > > a whole new > noun > ----->such lovely praises from me and I come to this and I feel like I want > to kill you. hey, sounds like any healthy relationship i've come into contact with. ;) > ----->probably shouldn't say that given how touchy everyone is, *but* the difference is manifested in yer tone. > ----->can you pretty pretty please get rid of this whole last part and do > something worthy of your capacity? once gain, yer subtle kissing-up at the end of the sentence just manages to get you off the hook. ;) > ----->maybe just end it at ...create you know, i actually thought about it, and was frustrated writing it, cuz the original, dictated by morpheus, is lost in the ether now...and i did my best from memory on the back of a burger king chip bag, and it wasn't egg-zactly what i wanted... but i think you may be right, to end it there... :) THANK YOU FER THE CRITIQUE! (a lil belated, but muchly anticipated :) ~taRA *** hey. i'm not a lumberjack, or a fur trader... and i don't live in an igloo, eat blubber, or own a dogsled. and i don't know jimmy, sally, or suzy from canada, although i'm sure they're really, really nice. i have a prime minister, not a president. i speak english and french, not american. and i pronounce it "about," not "a boot." i can proudly sew my country's flag on my backpack. i believe in peace-keeping, NOT policing; DIVERSITY, NOT assimilation, and that the BEAVER is a truly proud and noble animal. a toque is a hat, a chesterfield IS a couch, and it's pronounced "ZED," not "ZEE," "ZED"!!!!!!!!!!!!! CANADA is the second-largest land mass, the first nation of HOCKEY, and the BEST part of north america. my name is joe, and _I AM_ canadian. - --molson canadian beer commercial-- :) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 23:08:25 -0400 From: shivergirl Subject: ET: an intriguing perspective, in light of recent debate > by kerry knudsen, a journalist > "The definition of propoganda is to repeatedy report only one > side of the story, and to exclude other points of view. > It is my belief that a democracy functions best when its > people are informed, not just of one side of an issue, but > of all sides. To me, the public is served best when there is > open and vigorous debate between strongly opposed points of > view. > John Milton said you should never repress the writings of > debating parties for several reasons. For one, by letting a > fool write, you don't add to his foolishness. For another, > by allowing the wise to read the writings of a fool, you don > 't diminish their wisdom, although by letting them read, it > increases their knowledge of the workings of a foolish mind. > Third, Milton said we need to read to understand our > enemies. > > Similarly, Milton said you should never restrict the > writings of the wise. You have no way of knowing what damage > you do if you restrict ideas you cannot understand. (This is > why nobody should ever be silenced for disagreeing with > people.) > > > Areopagitica also says it's better to kill a person than > kill a written idea. According to Milton, when the writer is > dead, the work lives on, but when the work is killed all of > posterity loses." ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V3 #157 **********************************