From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #155 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Saturday, April 22 2000 Volume 03 : Number 155 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * eda-thoughts-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY * the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- ET: I applaud you all!! [Nikita Wilson ] Re: ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #152 [zerocool@sunlink.net (Niki)] Re: [ET: poems of despair] [genben@usa.net] ET: paying attention [genben@usa.net] Re: ET: escaping yerself [Naomi ] Re: ET: the vision statement of eda-thoughts [Annie ] ET: Silliness [Annie ] Re: ET: blah blah blah ["Chris Sylvester" ] Re: ET: blah blah blah [Cassidy831@aol.com] ET: birth controll- an interesting viewpoint ["Chris Sylvester" Subject: ET: I applaud you all!! Anne, sam, tara kat and every other girl who said something. You must know how good it feels for others to know that they are not the only ones who had such horrible times in there life that death would have been a better option then living. I will admit to you all now the thought still does ponder in my head because i am still depressed and i beleive that i may be getting close to a relapse i am fighting all the way but i beleive that i am. And you see i am trying to find something or some one to say ok this is why i am going to live my life and for me i have a couple of reasons and for some they will laugh at me or call me stupid, i know that for a fact because i have already had people tell me for it but i still beleive in it. I am going to live so that I can lose the weight i want to gain msucles and meet the singer Bif Naked because once i heard the song momment of weeknes i was hooked and i want to talk to the person who inspired me to do it. And the other reason is to meet and hopefully fall in love with TAylor Hanson. ( Call me what you will) But i have this gut feeling that he is going to be the one that i am going to be with and that is going to tell me to shut up and to just go do and once i do i will be proud i will. But the most important reason i live is because of my best friend. Jessica Kathleen Lynds. She is why i didnt do it. Oh god i m crying. When i was in the hospital i called her and she didnt care, she acted as if i was just at home calling her. We also have a promise if one of us makes us and the other hasnt we help the other. She wants to be a country songer and I want to be an actress. So if i become famous first get good money and everything i will pay for her to come and live with me so that she can acheive her dream, and she will do the same to me. At time i must admit i think that we arent as close as we were but then we just have a moment when we are alone. And I know that we still are just as close. Ok and I have a question to ask the girls. Since you were so willing to tell your story when i asked, would you like me to share mine?? Holly __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 10:35:49 -0500 From: zerocool@sunlink.net (Niki) Subject: Re: ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #152 >>>>that everyone thinks you're an asshole for it. But for one, you have no >>>>idea who I am, and two, I have not once jumped all over you for acting like an 11 year old. The fact that you're attacking my wonderfully correct statements :o) with words like fuckhead...well obviously you know what you did was wrong and you are just pissed off because everyone is yelling at you for being a moron.>>>>>> What a bullshit statement. I do believe that this is the same person that said 'puh fucking please' about something i wrote earlier....and also the same person that told me something along the lines of how 'people who think they are absolutely right annoy me'. Hypocrite. By the way, I don't think Joe is an asshole. He's allowed to state his opinions regardless of what they are. ****************************************************************************** Check out my Website at: >http://www.refmaker.com/members/legomoney.shtml ------------------------------ Date: 22 Apr 00 10:46:14 EDT From: genben@usa.net Subject: Re: [ET: poems of despair] > "alone" > confusion drips > down my face. i have to say that this image is fantastic. i'm assuming that you are characterizing the tears as "confusion." this is an amazingly adept metaphor, and very well placed. i just wanted to applaud this wholeheartedly. thanks for sharing these, they are very special. ben ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: 22 Apr 00 11:22:32 EDT From: genben@usa.net Subject: ET: paying attention ok, so maybe i haven't written anything in this discussion. i haven't even replied privately to anyone on any subject. i haven't posted since we got into the religion thing in the first place, even when kara (who we have lost now, btw) prompted me to join in. but now i have no choice. there are things that need standing up for. joe, i would love to have you on this list. i've been here just as long as anyone else. i joined on the third day this list existed. i think as someone who has seen the crazy arguments we have had here, this one has turned the ugliest (kevin - wanna back me up?). joe, you are allowed to have your opinions, and i for one read everything you have had to say so far. i have no problem with the fact that you are saying what you feel, but i do have a problem with something. it seems to me that you are insecure with your own ideas. you haven't convinced yourself of the things you claim to beleive, because if you had, you wouldn't be telling everyone to fuck off. you seem to be antagonizing people until they refuse to have any sort of exchange with you, because that way you won't have to defend yourself logically or intelligently. i'm not saying you're incapable of defending yourself logically or intelligently, but i think you may not have the courage of your convictions on some of these issues. i'm mostly writing to encourage you to cease the flaming "fuck you" posts. they clog mailboxes and have no redeeming value at all. if you have an opinion to voice, please, do so. i'll read it. most everyone else will, too. we may agree or disagree, and some of us may respond to you, publicly or privately, but most of all, we will acknowledge that you have something to say. i can't agree with you on most of the subjects you've covered. i don't think homosexuality is wrong or unnatural, and i have had homoerotic thoughts and i do kiss my guy friends and hug them and love them and let them know that. i am a vegan and i think that animal life is just as important as human life, and i actually live in accordance with that beleif by not slaughtering or mistreating animals for my own benefit. i will debate either of these topics with you in a healthy, intelligent manner anytime. i will not, however, tolerate your fuck yous and kiss my ass bitch attitude. the people on this list are my friends, and i will stand up for myself and for them. you owe them an apology, and you owe me an apology. i think you are probably a relatively popular guy at whatever high school it is you go to, you've got a girlfriend, and you obviously have enough nice things about you to get good friends like nai. i'm not saying you're a bad guy, i just think you've gotten a little carried away, and this is my way of asking, on behalf of people who i care for and respect, to cut the shit. a lot of nice people have been alienated by this bullshit and a few of our memebers have left. this is unacceptable. i've read some of the poems you've posted and they're good. you have a lot of strong opinions, and this is a forum for voicing them, but, to be redundant, your flames are not appreciated. finally, i would like to say that i don't know everything (caroline - be quiet ;)). what i do know is that i have things i beleive in, and you are insulting me and my intelligence by blindly saying that this list is full of close minded fuckheads (to paraphrase). i'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you won't respond to this with another juvenile dismissal that avoids the issue entirely. what issue, you may ask? the issue that you may not actually have as much to say as you think you do. so go ahead, prove me right. talk to me like i am on your amazingly open-minded level instead of telling me to go fuck myself. i will listen. ben ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 08:22:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Naomi Subject: Re: ET: escaping yerself i guess i have to add my name to the list here. a little over two years ago i was extremley depressed and suicidal, due to certain things in my life at that time. i came close to taking my own life a few times during this period. i remember feeling utter lonliness and helplessness. helplessness has always been one of the worst feelings in the world to me. especially ever since that experience, i need a certain ammount of control over myself (which, is a hard thing to come by). at this time though, is when i found the list. a certain couple people played a *big* part in helping me find my way out, and to them i will always feel that debt of gratitude. i was okay for a time, then i regressed last year when my little sister was born. i turned to self distruction (cutting, burning)... which, i guess, might've been my attempt at regaining some form of control when my life was sooo crazy. i went away for the summer and things got better and then worse. family turmoil kept me stuck in this rut of feeling lost. then i started at a co-op here, and made some amazing friends. they've helped me more than i can ever express to them, and i doubt they even realize. there are still low points (i think once you go through being seriously depressed, the "everday" bad things tend to hit soft spots at times)... but, i believe i am doing better now than i have in 3 years. i am happy, and i have alot of people i love and who love me. for that, i am thankful. :) i said this to court, and i'll say it to the rest of you. y'all are so brave to be able to talk about these things. it's always been something i tend to keep to myself. but i felt i should post now. love you all. nai ===== "What is Desire? Desire is... complicated. One person always wants the other person more." -VS __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:18:49 -0400 From: Annie Subject: Re: ET: the vision statement of eda-thoughts >to me, anyways, is both a forum for sharing beautiful poh-etry and debating >thought-provoking questions and issues..and i think, at kat's urging, we have >gotten to know each other a whole lot better (or worse, in some cases). and i >wouldn't trade hiding behind obscure words just for the chance not to let sparks or >tempers fly..occasionally, not all the time, or i agree, it does get a wee bit >overwhelmingly non-poh-etic and unencouraging to share thought-pictures. > >as for the spirit of the list dying, i have to disagree, although most >unfortunately, with dearest annie, who wrote a lovely biography, i belatedly admit. >:) it takes adversity and struggle and non-peaceful times sometimes to shape and >figure out what we're all about, and i think we've done that, in the past couple of >days, quite effectively. I'm starting to see what you mean as people get more and more personal. And I guess that yes, it is worth it if we can still maintain this list. It all just frightened me, I suppose; I've been on a list before, once, and it ended with everyone angry. >and i will get angry with people if their different beliefs border on unjustified, >unprovoked personal attacks from little minds with no more power than the shield of >a faceless medium. As you well have the right to. And I would back you up. Annie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:34:24 -0400 From: Annie Subject: ET: Silliness I thought that maybe we were all in need of a little silly shtuff to lighten the mood. ~*~ Ode to Jell-o ~*~ I see you there, So green and tasty. And with your jiggly ways, You do tempt me. Lo! I spring, I pounce! But alas! I then bounce Painfully against the wall. You never wanted me at all! Alack, anon, I cry. My Jell-o is mocking me by and by. A Cat's Creed I sharpen my claws on a newly planted tree And my human comes out to yell at me. I flick my tail, I bat my eyes; My sweetness an unusual surprise. What, did you think me vain? Proper, prim, without fears? That's right, pet me again, Gently between my ears. I bow to no one (except the Almighty Tuna Can)! And I belong to no one, not any man. Those sons of Adam can kiss my claws Before I'd stroke them with my own paws. So, it is a privilege now That I curl up in your lap I'll give you a cute 'meow' And you can play the sap. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 13:46:30 PDT From: "Chris Sylvester" Subject: Re: ET: blah blah blah <<> He did it to Job as a test of his faith. He did it to egypt because they wouldn't let the isrialites go. He's done it before in the Bible. Or, we could go to the ultimate example of taking away a son to teach the world a lesson, but let's not, aight? ~Sly ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 17:03:19 EDT From: Cassidy831@aol.com Subject: Re: ET: blah blah blah <<> In a message dated 4/22/100 3:46:42 PM EST, hwarrior99@hotmail.com writes: ~He did it to Job as a test of his faith. He did it to egypt because they ~wouldn't let the isrialites go. He's done it before in the Bible. Or, we ~could go to the ultimate example of taking away a son to teach the world a ~lesson, but let's not, aight? ~Sly >> I'm not going to sit here and tell you that you're wrong, but I disagree. I have my own beliefs concerning God. I don't need a book, a church, or people like you to point out examples of his existence. Granted, if those things did not exist, I would not be the same person that I am today, but this is how it is and I've learned to stop asking questions. I think the Bible's creation story is....basically horseshit. Scientific theory makes a hell of a lot more sense to me. So, if it doesn't to you, that's wonderful. I'm not trying to get anyone to change their beliefs. I'm simply stating mine. I'm terribly sorry if they offend you, but I don't really care. Aight? - --Cassie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 14:10:28 PDT From: "Chris Sylvester" Subject: ET: birth controll- an interesting viewpoint Don't yall think that the so called "population crisis" could be solved a lot better if people would just quit having sex so indiscriminatley? Honestly, why do we need pills and little jackets for mister happy if we can just keep our pants on? I'm not saying that no one should have sex ever, no, that's just plain dumb=) what i'm saying is that people should think a little more before they reach for their zippers. realize that the action is likely to produce another life before they decide to enjoy themselves. ~Sly ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 17:34:08 -0400 From: Annie Subject: Re: ET: birth controll- an interesting viewpoint >Don't yall think that the so called "population crisis" could be solved a >lot better if people would just quit having sex so indiscriminatley? >Honestly, why do we need pills and little jackets for mister happy if we can >just keep our pants on? > >I'm not saying that no one should have sex ever, no, that's just plain >dumb=) what i'm saying is that people should think a little more before >they reach for their zippers. realize that the action is likely to produce >another life before they decide to enjoy themselves. >~Sly I agree completely. Sex just complicates things (sometimes). There are exceptions, like a married couple, or a couple ready for children. But doing it just for kicks IS a little irresponsible. And controlling oneself could also help to control lust. America is a lousy place to try to control yourself, though, when the media parades sex like some kind of heavenly glory. Annie ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V3 #155 **********************************