From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #149 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Thursday, April 20 2000 Volume 03 : Number 149 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * eda-thoughts-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY * the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [Re: ET: Ricky Lake......] [DPS8315@aol.com] ET: (a refutation) human/animal life [DPS8315@aol.com] ET: (no subject) [DPS8315@aol.com] Re: ET: something to add [DPS8315@aol.com] Re: ET: something to add [DPS8315@aol.com] ET: overpop ["stephen" ] ET: surburban blues [Katherine Alexandra ] ET: joe bashing [courtney gordon ] ET: joe bashing [courtney gordon ] ET: Re: you'r shameless [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:50:54 EDT From: DPS8315@aol.com Subject: Re: [Re: ET: Ricky Lake......] > > i'm just curious, but how many net relationships are there on this > > list who have never met? did you guys all meet on the ET list? if > > so, that is so cool. it makes the list have such a homey feel just > > thinking about it! :) okay, 'nother question. what's keeping you > i was in one, kinda sorta technically i guess :) and it was on our little > list. it is nice, in a way, having so many have that on here. very homey :) > we almost met, came very close... but, it didn't happen. just was not meant > to be. it was a learning/growing process, and i have no regrets. i think i'm > just not really cut out of the long distance thing. i admire those of you > who can tough it out though, really i do. after having the real life thing... i > don't know, i guess i found i like and need that contact, ya know? it takes > alot of strength, i think, i maintain something like that over such > distances. Ooh this whole direction is so much fun.. first the whole hetero-homo fight, and now we're branching off into yet another form of human interaction.. and this, ladies and gentlemen, goes to prove just how important physical interaction is.. I tried, just as others, to maintain that long distance relationship.. the sort of thing that is completely wonderful about the 'net and EDt.. didn't work out; wouldn't haven't worked out.. why? physical interaction, more than anything.. two personalities that match up wonderfully, won't make it past point A of Z without the physical contact that is necessary in human interaction.. it is something, as I believe kara said, that humans crave.. "sex is sex" fits here, and it needs no other explanation because everyone here understands what it is to need, not want or desire, to *need* to find yourself, night after nite in the arms of your lover. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:50:53 EDT From: DPS8315@aol.com Subject: ET: (a refutation) human/animal life In a message dated 4/19/00 10:20:02 PM US Eastern Standard Time, Cassidy831@aol.com writes: > > Human life is more valuable than animal life. > ~Maybe this is something you just take for granted cause it's been fed to > you~from day one, but... WHY? > ~I understand you as an individual valuing your own species over another, > but~unbiasedly, why is human life more valuable than animal life? > > I'm going to agree with Summer here. How many times have you experienced > this so called 'animal life?' I'm going to assume that you're not crazy, and > your answer is NONE. You take for granted this 'animal life.' Without that life, > your life would not be possible. So when you become an animal and can give > me some credible evidence to support your little statement, then you can make > assumptions like that. In a patronizing, extremely condescending voice: Lil won, yoo fourget a phew dings: humens r soe varey mutch moar inntelijent dan tem ther animuls. Granted, without this "animal" life, our lives from the very beginning of time would not have been possible, but that is a completely impossible theory given the way that *I believe* humanity evolved from the same little protein strand as everything else.. so, having eliminated the plausibility that animals aren't here... I'm going to now attempt to plainly identify why human life in general is greater.. we, through the strength of our numbers, and frankly, through the use of our enormous (though wasted) brain capacity, have risen to the top of the global food chain (cassie, dont you rem first semester when mr. smith showed that evolution of man in africa video?). The point being that regardless of how wonderful "animal" life is, our position..as sort of the tyrant of the ecological system eliminates all of the rules of justice just like it would in any oppresive system! Why do we (or rather, you) worry about fairness and equality in a world where nothing is? Everything I've ever known has been completely lopsided, and the human vs animal rights struggle always will be too. We're better. Smarter anyway, and that gives us all the free reign in the world to go chopping down habitats and eating them morning noon and night. (1/2 comic relief with a touch of a point) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:50:58 EDT From: DPS8315@aol.com Subject: ET: (no subject) > second, james could stand to be taken down a peg or two on the smart spectrum, > so don't you worry about him gettin any ideas... ;) and this shit has got to stop. you crossed the line. i hope you die. i'm hurt! alright alright, yeah i know, I'll be critiquing your stuff tonight. :) in all seriousness, I would like to openly refute even the presumption that I am not the smartest man alive. and i'm sexy dressed in my attitude too! point being, the next time you have an opinion, tara, be warned, i'm coming after you! ;) with a wet towel! and a high five! and i'm *NOT holdING YOUR HAND!* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:50:57 EDT From: DPS8315@aol.com Subject: Re: ET: something to add In a message dated 4/20/00 9:41:44 AM US Eastern Standard Time, mandabear4@juno.com writes: > Honestly, if > you think about it, if everyone followed exactly God's commandments...and > there are 11 if you count his commandment to love your brother as He has > loved you...then we wouldn't have war and famine and such hatred... everyone has a moral compass. some people's compasses are different than others.. there are big ones, little ones, shiny ones, colored ones, fast ones&slow ones, even ones that ride in cars! for instance, if I want to sit around and play quarters with tequilla, I'd say that's fine. my mother disagrees. so does the state. i lose. this said, the problem I have with your comment about following god's commandents is this: (borrowing from kevin's laws of physics, which I learned in HS already..but nonetheless), if everyone obeyed traffic laws, say no one sped and no one drank before driving, etc etc, many lives would've been saved. maybe. a 35 mph crash can kill you, so can a 70mph crash.. or a "drop of water" (you can drown in it).. the system balances itself out.. war and famine and hatred aren't caused because people "disrespected their neighbors" (although it cant be said that WWI was caused by that)... so maybe war and hatred are.. but famine? haven't you been listening to the discussions about World Population? famine is caused by.. well, lots of natural things, drought and too much fucking for instance, and none of god's commandments are going to stop that.. and what about cancer? polio? tuberculosis? how about the common cold that affects millions every year.. god's commandments won't stop that. god's commandments wont stop a lot of things, so using a blanket statement like yours, backed by any religion you'd like, plainly isn't enough. that's one of the things that irritates me about posting the commandments in schools, it isn't enough. it's a guide, fine, sure, wonderful. we teach our children these things anyway. I know not to kill, or steal, or cheat on my spouse.. I don't need -GOD- to tell me that. Moreover, there a lot more things in life that are keys to sprituality than simply obeying 11 commandments. I want to create. There are no guidelines for creation in the commandments. It doesn't say, "dont use the word fuck" when creating. I sort of went off ranting there.. and i'm afraid this came out all wrong.. the point i'm making is that the commandments aren't enough. your statement began to presume that, and *that sort of thing offends me* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:56:28 EDT From: DPS8315@aol.com Subject: Re: ET: something to add In a message dated 4/20/00 10:56:09 AM US Eastern Standard Time, kbpease@hotmail.com writes: > What are they teaching in biology courses these days, anyway? :) Believe it or not, not a whole lot.. it irritates the hell out of me that kansas, and my own dear state of indiana have both introduced laws that comply to the following 1) introducing relgious passages onto public-institution-grounds 2)prohibiting the teaching of "evolution" in *public* schools a) seperation of church and state? b) that's just ri-god damn-diculous. how can we say, 'no you can't teach scientific fact because it disagrees with my religion'? off on a tangent..no reply necessary.. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:28:28 -0400 From: "stephen" Subject: ET: overpop I think the largest problem is in china where if you have a boy they( the gov) pay for its college but if you have a girl or more than 1 girl you pay a fine or iether the government or the fathers have no choice but to kill it ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 16:23:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Katherine Alexandra Subject: ET: surburban blues Suburban Blues i'll be honest here. this will sound like white suburban blues another pretty girl complaining about how wonderful things are so i probably should just keep quiet. but i am sick of this and i am tierd of that i no longer want to be just beautiful from the outside. with our manicured lawns and new cars with the bbq's on sundays and thursday night red lobster i am tierd of tip toeing around taboos for momma's sake pretending the chicken tastes good living in middle class with no where to call home. my town is much like yours we have olive garden the local mall the movies showing all the films rules of engadgement 28 days return to me all the pretty people you are seeing everything is the same. i am getting weak and tierd and my bones are crying for something to shake this old place up perhaps we are having a growth spurt theres a new strip mall off US 41 perhaps momma's rose colored glasses broke maybe i can stop my tip-toeing now that i am old enough to vote maybe i can walk around barefoot wal-mart is blending in and my arms are stretched out too wide for you to come in that pot roast wont make me stay i'm packing my bags and kissing this place good bye __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 18:11:10 -0700 From: Mango Ara Subject: Re: ET: Re: > > tru dat, although, personally, i'm yet to meet a man who I could fall in love > with. sexual attraction is a big part of my relationships (and I'm not > afraid to say it) and not only am I *not* attracted to men, I've got a big > problem with the way they conduct themselves.. it just isn't attractive. yeah, i know. but point taken, i hope > > > > > > --although i find it hilarious that, as a guy, you said that. because most > > guys i > > know would be the first to admit that they think about sex pretty much ALL > > THE > > TIME. > oooh! wanted to chip in and say that I, for one, have sex on my mind 27/ > 8/416. (hrs-day/day-wk/day-yr) YEAHH! after spending the day with a bunch of guys, being the only girl there, i have further proof. by the way. a note to all: you don't all need to write me and tell me if you have or have not been attracted to someone of the same sex. i'm not taking a toll, i didn't ask for confession, and i'm no shrink, all i did was try to make a point. end of story. - -- Diva-to-be curvy exterior volcanic interior ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:09:27 -0400 (EDT) From: courtney gordon Subject: ET: joe bashing Dear Angels, I know this is just stating the obvious, and I'm sure some of you are getting tired of the Joe bashing, but I'd just like to say Joe, you my friend, are the biggest asshole on earth. Suicide is NOT something to joke about. EVER. (Goes along with rape, child molestation, etc...) Joe, until you almost lose the most important person in your life to suicide, only then will you even come close to having the right to joke about something like that, assuming it was a joke. (I'm just hoping it was) If it wasn't, ask yourself something. WHERE THE HELL DID YOU GET THAT KIND OF AUDACITY??!!!!?!?!?!? All of my friends will tell you I am the most foward person on earth even if it means being rude, but hell, even I don't have those kind of balls. But that's probably because I'm not a dumbass. Hmm...yes, makes sense. I almost feel sorry for you because everyone and their cousin is flaming you (and dammit all to hell they should!), but I don't really because you must be extremely concieted and full of yourself if you can take it into your own hands to tell people whether or not you think they should live. Wrapped up in one sentence, You're a dick. If I were anywhere near you I'd feel compelled to rip off your dick and cram it up your ass, but I like to think I'm a good person, and I'd like to go to heaven. (BTW, you're gonna be really surprised when you get to heaven and realize Kat is god) Courtney ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:09:44 -0400 (EDT) From: courtney gordon Subject: ET: joe bashing Dear Angels, I know this is just stating the obvious, and I'm sure some of you are getting tired of the Joe bashing, but I'd just like to say Joe, you my friend, are the biggest asshole on earth. Suicide is NOT something to joke about. EVER. (Goes along with rape, child molestation, etc...) Joe, until you almost lose the most important person in your life to suicide, only then will you even come close to having the right to joke about something like that, assuming it was a joke. (I'm just hoping it was) If it wasn't, ask yourself something. WHERE THE HELL DID YOU GET THAT KIND OF AUDACITY??!!!!?!?!?!? All of my friends will tell you I am the most foward person on earth even if it means being rude, but hell, even I don't have those kind of balls. But that's probably because I'm not a dumbass. Hmm...yes, makes sense. I almost feel sorry for you because everyone and their cousin is flaming you (and dammit all to hell they should!), but I don't really because you must be extremely concieted and full of yourself if you can take it into your own hands to tell people whether or not you think they should live. Wrapped up in one sentence, You're a dick. If I were anywhere near you I'd feel compelled to rip off your dick and cram it up your ass, but I like to think I'm a good person, and I'd like to go to heaven. (BTW, you're gonna be really surprised when you get to heaven and realize Kat is god) Courtney ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:35:42 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: ET: Re: you'r shameless Subj: Re: "just call me shameless" Date: 4/19/00 7:55:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: RedWoodenBeads To: tstevens@ican.net In a message dated 4/19/00 7:33:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, tstevens@ican.net writes: << Subj: "just call me shameless" Date: 4/19/00 7:33:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: tstevens@ican.net (shivergirl) To: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com CC: eda-thoughts@smoe.org RedWoodenBeads@aol.com wrote: (some very insulting and borderline-nasty stuff critiquing summer or sam or kat, i can't member..but here's a rebuttal) > Your post was rather interesting, it was fucking nail right on the head, was what it was.thank you very much whoever wrote it, sorry i'm not naming names, it's been a long day. ;) I disagree, that post was a load of shit > in that it seemed to be completely focused > on sexuality as a constant aspect of life. no..um, it was proposing that everyone has same-sex thoughts or tendencies, at least at some point in their life; which is completely natural and likely and OK. you wouldn't think it would be a mind-boggling or overly inflammatory or even RADICAL thing to say in this day and age, but, apparently it is...no one's posing as a modern freud on this list, they're just thinking outside of the conventional, force-fed sexuality box. you might try it sometime; it's quite liberating. And you should try being open-minded, you'll find it's quite educational. > Have you ever thought that sex > isn't something constantly running through everyone's mind never. ;)oops! but i'm a GIRL! i ferget! do girls do that??? can they think that? _do_ they think? Hmm, I suppose that is a legitimate question coming from some of the ladies on this list. > while they are > hanging out with their friends? of course it's not uppermost on everyone's minds; no one's saying it is; we're just saying that maybe it's crossed your mind at least ONCE in the entire duration of the friendship.like a blip, or something, if it's too hard to admit a full-fledged cognition. Yes, many times. Although I am awfulyl smitten with my Jessica, and it's hard to think of anyone (much less anything) other than her. > You say: "why can't they (guys) touch each > other other than to hit each other or high-five?". a valid question, one i still don't see an answer for, except in the form of avoidance. ahhh, more gems from your mind! > Who says they want to? football players? haha, good one > The > reason guys don't do that isn't because society forbids them to, it's cause > they don't want to. talk about brainwashing doing the trick.. I know! How dare anyone have an opinion outside of yours! They should be shipped to Cuba! > I don't understand what it is with all of you saying > "well, everyone has same-sex attractions at some point", because I never > have, then i think you're in denial. or abnormal. ;) Shows what you get for thinking! > and I doubt a huge number of people really have either. i would like someone other than joe here to back him up.and maybe someone has, but i haven't read that far yet, because as the bestest kara-kara said once, (paraphrasing), this is just too fucking maddening not to reply to (i know, i know, kara, nowhere close ;) Isn't it unreal! Someone actually has a different opinion! What is the world coming to?! > The reason > girls touch eachother and act all "girly" (yuck!) (does macho sound any better??? don't think so...) Have an accident with the keyboard there? > This may > be a little suprising, but there are differences between males and females, > in fact there are HUGE differences. sure, but that's a blanket statement, and what else do you have to offer cept the mars/venus characterization? because, seriously, your next point is laughable. My, you sound a little scared > You can sit in front of a little boy or > little girl with a toy truck and a doll and the boy will take the truck and > the girl will take the doll. have you done this recently?ever? yes, I have done just that. >> because besides myself as living proof (i loved cars and car garages as a kid), i work in an environment where i constantly come into contact with little people of both sexes; most recently my boss' daughter came in with her baby/stroller, but she also loves trucks, and i had a lil boy the other day who carried a doll quite proudly; i've also been witness to numberous boys under the age of five or so who absoutely love to dress up in skirts and such. Well hurray for you, you've been seeing a lot of things lately! > That's just how it is. no, it isn't. that's yer erroneous misconception, methinks. well at least i'm not close-minded and blind > Girls like to giggle and > touch and stuff that girls do, somebody please restrain me now. Gladly > guys like to hang out and slap eachother high > fives. and it's just as simple and cut-and-dried as that, isn't it?wow..wonder why i never thought of it before now... Maybe because you have never thought > It has nothing to do with society, it's the way people are. they're one in the same when it comes down to it, like you said, but people make rules and others follow.often never questioning why. just accepting the status quo as if it were god-given-gospel truth. how sad. haha, now that was laughable > Think > about it. What is society? Is it some big monster making people act a certain > way? it's not a monster, although it does share some of the same characteristics...it's a huge influential, shaping agent. Are you trully so blind? > Society is people, and people make their own society. As a general rule, > people have rejected homosexuality and embrace heterosexuality, so why has it been around for thousands of years then?why hasn't it been wiped off the face of the earth? Society rejects murder as well, and yet it remains > because > that's what they want, not because "society" makes them. bullshit. peer pressure exists at every age.it never goes away. people are pressured to be straight, and deny every single non-hetero urge. read this message, it's a case in point. Hmm, I haven't had trouble being my own person since I was 13. Perhaps you are still struggling with that. > Let's get past this > illusion that society "hampers" people sexuality. no--just awareness. >> wrong again! no longer cradled in gravity's memory still in and spinning in spiral drifts of endlessness spinning in torment into the garden of light - -Pale Saints "A Thousand Stars Burst Open" http://www.chickpages.com/musicmania/joepages no longer cradled in gravity's memory still in and spinning in spiral drifts of endlessness spinning in torment into the garden of light - -Pale Saints "A Thousand Stars Burst Open" http://www.chickpages.com/musicmania/joepages ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V3 #149 **********************************