From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #148 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Thursday, April 20 2000 Volume 03 : Number 148 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * eda-thoughts-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY * the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- ET: something to add [mandabear4@juno.com] Re: ET: something to add ["Kevin Pease" ] Re: ET: You had questions? ["Chris Sylvester" ] Re: ET: infatation ["Chris Sylvester" ] ET: the shaping of a generation [Katherine Alexandra Subject: Re: ET: something to add mandabear4@juno.com writes: >if people didn't share needles, if there were no homosexuals, if >people took care of their bodies, i honestly don't think there >would be AIDS. Don't get me wrong, if someone wants to lead a >homosexual life, then i am in no position to tell them they are >wrong. I don't condone the behavior but i don't condemn it >either... I'm sorry, but I have to take issue with this point. If there were no needles, and no homosexuals, then there would STILL be AIDS. HIV was not created by homosexuals, or intravenous drug users, or hemophiliacs who need blood transfusions. What matters: HIV _is_. It was not created by a particular group, or caused by a particular group. It found its way into the population because some members of the population were put in contact with the virus through activities which are considered "high risk" -- this is the most likely portal of entry for ANY disease: those who get it first & most frequently are typically those who perform activities that put them in close & frequent contact with the virus that causes the disease. Yes, homosexuals, intravenous drug users, and a few people in need of blood transfusions have contracted the disease more frequently than the rest of the population, but that does not mean that they "caused" it somehow, or that it would never have happened without them. To use a ridiculous example that follows the same logic, it's like saying that if athletes would dry their feet more in the locker room, there'd be no such thing as athlete's foot. A few facts about HIV, for those who seem to not get it: HIV is transmitted through inter-personal contact with fluids, such as semen & blood. Now, unless homosexuals & IV drug users are the only people on earth who ever come in contact with other peoples' semen and blood, then it _is_ possible for heterosexuals, and people who don't use IV drugs, to contract AIDs through contact with these fluids. HIV was not created, or caused, by homosexuals. It is a disease which is transmitted more easily via sexual contact more typical of a homosexual lifestyle, and it is transmitted more easily via the sharing of needles that is typical of some IV drug users. But don't kid yourself, folks -- homosexuals, and drug users are NOT the cause, they're merely some of the first victims of a disease that ANYBODY can get. What are they teaching in biology courses these days, anyway? :) Kevin - ---------- Kevin Pease kbpease@concentric.net ICQ UIN: 3106063 AOL IM: kbpease "Everybody asks me how she's doing / Has she really lost her mind? / I say, 'Hey, I couldn't tell you, I've lost mine. . . '" -----{Dave Matthews Band, "Pay For What You Get"}----- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:09:32 PDT From: "Chris Sylvester" Subject: Re: ET: You had questions? <(let's also remember that we want to raise our children to be mature enough to handle, at the ripe old age of 16, things like lasting friendships, independence, even, dare I say it, love)> Amen to that. That's the problem with most people these days. (note, i say MOST, not all) Most people either aren't mature enough to handle a real "relationship" or they're too immature to realize that others can, regardless of age. I've noticed that this group is the largest exception to the above statement that i've ever seen. ~Sly "You don't win a war by dying for your country. You win by making the other son of a bitch die for his." -Patton - ----Original Message Follows---- From: DPS8315@aol.com To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Subject: Re: ET: You had questions? Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:48:53 EDT In a message dated 4/16/00 7:11:00 PM US Eastern Standard Time, lakini@virginia.edu writes: > some people at 16 are more capable of forming > lasting relationships than other people are at the age of 30.... rock on! so, when we're all grown up and have the kiddies that to this day, we proclaim we never will, let us all remember what it was like, to fall in love, to feel love, to be in love, and indeed how true it is.. <(let's also remember that we want to raise our children to be mature enough to handle, at the ripe old age of 16, things like lasting friendships, independence, even, dare I say it, love)> James ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:18:11 PDT From: "Chris Sylvester" Subject: Re: ET: infatation damn straight! only, what do you do when you've caught her, only to realize that she lives on the other side of the bloody country? oh well, i can't blame michigan for existing. after all, Mark Tremonti came from Detroit. =) see, the chasing is the fun part. it's that damn waiting period that drives men insane. (women too, but it sounded better than people) ~Sly "whaddya mean we're all out of cheetoes?" - ----Original Message Follows---- From: DPS8315@aol.com To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Subject: Re: ET: infatation Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:48:51 EDT In a message dated 4/16/00 1:18:36 PM US Eastern Standard Time, jackies_strength20@yahoo.com writes: > god he was put so high above > me. i realized though, even then, that it couldnt have > been love. bc love is much more then that. "I just couldn't let this because I disagree so vehemently" - as kara once responded to something.. *this* ladies and gentlemen must be the claim of one who has lost her faith in dreams! why, after all, do we ever hold such high aspirations, if we do not believe that one day, based upon our own greatness, we shall hold in our own arms the objects of distant affection? It disturbs me greatly to think that anyone would deny themselves the possibilities of such fruitiful indulgence at the foot of impossibility! Why not should we, every day attack and persue the greatness we see in others? Why not should we spend every waking moment in pursuit of the greatest beauty, the greatest mind, the greatest possibility? Ladies and Gentlemen, I submit to you that the greatest joy may indeed be found atop the summit of that mountain which begins as simple infatuation! Why could not it be, that indeed love may be found, may even be built upon a foundation that at first glance is infatuation? Who is to say that those whom we hold highest above us, could never be our lovers? After all, being held in such high admiration is merely a case of perspective.. I don't think that I've managed to clearly make the point I'm trying to... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:27:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Katherine Alexandra Subject: ET: the shaping of a generation when you think about it, it's funny what really shapes a generation. we have the basics, high divorce rate, internet, drugs, christianity...some things are different from past generations, but most manage to stay the same. it's sad though, bc i believe, columbine shaped and changed a generation. they go on about the 60's and the loss of innocense then, but i fear that there is a new loss of innocense. perhaps this is good in the long run, perhaps we will learn. but it's those collective events, bombings, shootings, even the stock market (which is a huge part of the current shaping of our generation) it's those huge events that shape us, unite us, and sometimes even divide us. for me, i remember my kindergarton catholic school class when the challenger went off. i remember trying to learn the ABC's that day. i remember running to the church to pray with all of the other students. my brother remembers this event when he was in high school...the way this collective event affected us was in two seperate ways, for two different generations. i know when comlumbine occured i was still in high school, it really hit me at home. my brother is in his 30's now, he kept saying, "that would never have happened when i was in high school". but it will, and does, happen now....just wondering what the rest of you thought about this...about the shaping of generations.... i listen to a lot of older folk music, i'm a huge bob dylan fan (i've seen him in concert twice), he helped shape a generation...there is something about his music, which is universal, but it belongs more to my parents, to their time, to the shaping. when i hear desolation row with its sarcastic comments and syrupy voice, it just makes me realize how things where then and how they are now. you know that bob seger song (it might be a song that he covers) "agains the wind". i always get sad for my parents when i hear it. bc it's about being young, about going agains the wind....and then he gets old, but he is still trying to go against the wind. bra burnings, vietnam, civil rights, woodstock, all shaped my parents generation.....my siblings embraced the 80's, so what do you think is shaping ours? btw, my bf is 24 (i'm 19, but i'll be 20 in a month), well...there are differences in our generations, in our gap...little differences...my siblings are more like my bf. he used to hang out at the roller rink. our generation tends to hang onto the mall (i have chilled at the rink since middle school). BUT some things NEVER change. like the tailgate parties, the double keggers. my dad even had those when he was my age. i guess some things stay constant. i know this post is a bit fragmented and confusing. my mind is all adrift right now. kat __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:50:51 EDT From: DPS8315@aol.com Subject: ET: writin exc In a message dated 4/19/00 10:07:20 PM US Eastern Standard Time, owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org writes: > to write > for maybe 45 minutes and simply not let yourself stop. force > yourself to be constantly writing down words with no pause hey! this is out of the sixth sense! well, anyway, it's the same sort of thing.. naomi named it, I dont rem what tho.. my suggestion, to those of you out there who force yourselves to work and are forced to go to school, well you get paid to go to work, so skip school, **sit at home and write all day.. in between naps, of course! :)** seriously, I know that I personally dont devote nearly enough time to writing, and I feel like there are many times in which I waste a lot of creative energy ..that probably should've been channeled into something productive (ie writing) **more comic relief..(butter me up) i must be on a roll. James ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:50:50 EDT From: DPS8315@aol.com Subject: Re: ET: Ricky Lake...... In a message dated 4/19/00 10:00:47 PM US Eastern Standard Time, lakini@virginia.edu writes: > but honestly, we really can shape > our realities that way, and we can make our dreams come true. I have to admit, she's right.. I tried to get around to this in some other post.. and I'll reiterate, for the third time between us, exactly what I meant: dreams are there for a reason.. if we stop chasing them, then..symbollically, the world stops revolving (like we're little rats that make it spiN) do our dreams ever get realized? even get any closer? for some people, indisputably, no. there are a lot of jaded and chastised people out there who try with the greatest intents and purposes to reach for the (green or blue) sky, but environment etc just holds em back. of course, that point of view is coming from someone who honestly hasn't ever been there- I've got goals, some of which I'm a bit too young to have realized, but I'm working on it. everyone has dreams- you cant be reckless in chasing them, you've got to work hard, consistently, and if nothing else, fall back to "if at first you dont succeed, you really didn't care too much anyway / redefine success/ try and try again" (whatever suits ya) the point being, let's get out there and bust some ass. in american pov: the (sexless) future lay before you. it's beautiful, no? tempting.. seductive.. shall you allow it to, as time, flow by you in a sluicing river of sorrowful misgiving? perhaps are you turned away, facing the past? or, just maybe, are you going to be that brave, optimistic American that goes and fucks (his/her) brains out? :-) comic relief, I think some of us are in need of it ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:50:55 EDT From: DPS8315@aol.com Subject: Re: ET: re: God's stance on AIDS In a message dated 4/20/00 6:54:18 AM US Eastern Standard Time, JonBoy911@aol.com writes: > 4) Question someones beliefs all that you want. Ask > questions all that you want, but the second you end a post talking about > someone's beliefs with "puh-fucking please" you are crossing over the line. > You are no longer respecting that opinion, and instead you are attacking it. true dat.. It is irreprenhensible to so openly express dissatisfaction or distaste for someone's personal beliefs.. and, as jon argued, certain comments cross the line of criticism into offensive aggression. Of course, personally, from my point of view as always, I would be more upset when someone posed a bone fide question of the inadequacy my religion, as opposed to someone making a half assed remark about how stupid they thought something was. the situation: I find it more offensive when someone supposes that they are absolutely and unquestionably correct in their belief (this especially applies to american-christians because I have no experience with other religions, although given the nature of humanity, I'm sure it's rampant everywhere else) when within their own system of belief that cannot unanimously decide "the truth". Not defending or attacking anything or anyone, just saying that I never understood "I fucked your mom" last night as anything offensive, I always thought it was more offensive when administrators at my high school disrespected me, or when my peers made genuine criticisms of me... those things, the real *true* criticisms, those are the ones that always hurt the most. "puh-fucking please", that stuff I'd like to say in fifteen years, I never heard any of it ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V3 #148 **********************************