From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #147 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Thursday, April 20 2000 Volume 03 : Number 147 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * eda-thoughts-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY * the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- ET: Re: Re: birth control ["Kevin B. Pease" ] ET: Re: Re: overpopulation ["Kevin B. Pease" ] ET: Re: "just call me shameless" ["Kevin B. Pease" ] ET: Re: Re: population ["Kevin B. Pease" ] ET: Shelley's Impatience [Tudegirl08@aol.com] ET: Re: [Mango Ara ] Re: [ET: writing exercises] [Naomi Vaughn ] Re: [Re: ET: Ricky Lake......] [Naomi Vaughn ] ET: joe [kara garbe ] ET: re: God's stance on AIDS [JonBoy911@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 00:35:29 -0400 From: "Kevin B. Pease" Subject: ET: Re: Re: birth control RedWoodenBeads@aol.com > And what makes your way of life better than theirs? Does anybody else find this _fantastically_ amusing, given Joe's prior comments about (roughly translated) how the "homosexual lifestyle" was inferior to the "heterosexual lifestyle" because it created children. I might ask the same question back at you, Joe... what makes your way of life better than theirs? :) Kevin - -- Kevin Pease kbpease@concentric.net ICQ UIN: 3106063 AOL IM: kbpease ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 00:37:59 -0400 From: "Kevin B. Pease" Subject: ET: Re: Re: overpopulation RedWoodenBeads@aol.com: > Well why don't you be the first to help with this problem. Kill yourself. Ah... ad hominem attacks, the last refuge of the mentally inflexible. This is right over the edge, Joe. You owe Kat a _serious_ apology. (And if it was "just a joke," you still owe her an apology.) Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 00:51:10 -0400 From: "Kevin B. Pease" Subject: ET: Re: "just call me shameless" "shivergirl" writes: > it was fucking nail right on the head, was what it was.thank you very much Oh, my. Thank you SO MUCH for that... :) You don't realize how goddamned funny this is, and how much I need just this sort of humor right now. :) After a 2 hour (40 mile) drive to work, and a 2.5 hour (40 mile) drive home from work... love that boston traffic, and after getting the stuffing knocked out of me in 2 (count 'em TWO) back-to-back hockey games tonight, this is just... shit, I can't begin to express exactly how much this made my day. :) > can we tautological? What, it's not sufficient to merely say red is red because it's red? Or 1 is 1 because it's 1? > somebody please restrain me now. Ever see the cartoon Dilbert? This reminds me of one of them... Dilbert's boss comes up to Dilbert, Wally, and Alice, and says, "Dilbert & Wally, you have to go to sensitivity training." Dilbert says, "What about Alice, doesn't she have to go, too?" The boss responds, "Nah, she's a girl. Sensitivity comes to girls as naturally as shopping and crying." Alice then proceeds to hammer the boss' head in. But that punch line... ah, it just slays me. Life imitating art? I'm just glad that I'm not the most barbaric American out here... :) > and it's just as simple and cut-and-dried as that, isn't it?wow..wonder why i > never thought of it before now... Hey, we're guys. We also like to chew beef jerky, watch football, lift heavy objects & put them back down again, high-five each other, snap towels, and call each other "dickhead" and "assface." It's just our genes. (Scientists are close to identifying the gene that makes men call each other "assface" and "dickhead", too. I read it in Science Magazine, or something.) Kevin - -- Kevin Pease kbpease@concentric.net ICQ UIN: 3106063 AOL IM: kbpease ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 00:58:49 -0400 From: "Seth D. Fulmer" Subject: ET: call for cease-fire Hello everyone, In light of the recent discussions on this list, I would like to call for a cease fire. I realize I have not been the kindest person on this list myself but I try not to attack someone's character(If I have, let me know and I will personally apologize). Especially in public. If I am going to attack someone, I will do it in private. I might suggest as well, as I'm sure most of you have heard before that you should consider how things would sound if said to you...before you say them to someone else. Now, might I suggest a general apology? You all may have meant what you said but the bullets that flew hit some vital parts. Perhaps there was a better way to have said what you said. I'm totally not saying I didn't say anything in the past harmful. I'm sure in my "discussion" with Kevin and Ben and some others I wasn't too nice and again I apologize for whatever harm I did. I was going to chime in on this "gay" discussion because I have friends who are gay or bisexual. I will refrain from my comments here for the same reason, which is that they may not be so nice. Now, can we all just get along? Okey take cares and Have a Fantastic Day!! :o) Seth D. Fulmer mailto:kaosking@voicenet.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 01:17:00 -0400 From: "Kevin B. Pease" Subject: ET: Re: Re: population RedWoodenBeads@aol.com writes: > It's obvious, the world is huge. We could never overrun it. The EPA is a > waste of tax dollars. Joe, learn some elementary physics. I'll explain. The earth is a closed system (it's a massive system, but it's still a closed system), meaning that, on some level, it is isolated from external influences -- forces within the system can not be "bled off" or introduced by some external means. Physics teaches us that a closed system will always work to achieve equilibrium. Put an inflated balloon in a "perfect" vacuum chamber -- in other words, remove external pressures from it. What happens? The balloon will inflate until it explodes, or, until it complete fills the vacuum chamber. The air in the balloon achieves equilibrium. Now... given that the earth will not "inflate" to accommodate new life, how much pressure do you think it'll take for our "balloon" to pop? Now, you're right -- we couldn't ever "overrun it". But do you know WHY you're right? (I'm guessing no, based on your other comments on this subject). The reason we humans won't overrun it is because as we stress the closed system that is our ecosystem, it will respond in a way which will re-establish a balance within that closed system. Now before you ridicule this statement, saying it's not realistic, I'm not saying that there's some "mother nature" off there somewhere who's dreaming up a new virus. What I'm saying is, that as we stress our environment, it will push back: Put 3 million people on 20 square miles of land, and tell them they have to live off that land. What's going to happen? RIGHT, a lot of them are going to starve. Equilibrium will be re-established. So, I guess the question is -- how do we grow in a way that disturbs the equilibrium of our surroundings as little as possible? > Human life is more valuable than animal life. I'm tempted to agree, at least in principle -- If forced to choose, I'd always save a human child before I'd save a cat or a dog or a cow -- but I get the sense that this statement means to you "The animals don't enter into it, they're just... there, or something. It's not like they're valuable." And that, I can't agree with. Other life is important, and valuable, if for no other reason than what I said above about equilibrium. You kill off a species, something else will come along to fill its place. You can crap as much as you want in your own bed... but you're not going to like it when you're forced to lie in it. > The human race will destroy itself? My, now isn't that a radical statement. > Pray tell, do you have any EVIDENCE to back up this wild theory? About as much evidence as you've offered for your "wild theories"... :) I'm hearing a lot of talk, and very little substance behind it. > What's ridiculous is abortion (the murder of a child) being legal while > smashing an eagle's egg will send you up the river for years. So take it up with your state representative. Better yet, run for a political office, and change the policies you don't like. We can't do anything about it, so why whine about it here? Kevin - -- Kevin Pease kbpease@concentric.net ICQ UIN: 3106063 AOL IM: kbpease ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 01:28:11 EDT From: Tudegirl08@aol.com Subject: ET: Shelley's Impatience Reactions PLEASE! thanks. :) Impatiently I hate waiting I'm always waiting to talk to you or with you Always waiting until tomorrow that tomorrow may bring me closer so many hours closer to the day A day that will never happen Who are we fooling If we can't fool ourselves If I don't believe something is going to happen who will Not you Not the person I'm waiting with or waiting for You can't decide Can't make up your mind How can I Fastforward time All I feel is this crawl beneath my skin and this crave in my chest eating at me from the outside in The addiction is unbearable Let's be real But I don't qualify for the position because I don't have the skill to find where the truth lies and where the truth hides ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 23:36:54 -0700 From: Mango Ara Subject: ET: Re: oh, so YOU"RE Joe. *looks at nai* hmm. you know joe, i'm not gonna insult you, cause if i did, i wouldn't stop...and i can respect other people's opinions. but the problem with some people, as i see it, is that they spit before they think. nothing drives me wilder than people like that goddamned dr. laura who see the world as "black and white". and honestly, i would be like, "ok joe, that's your opinion, whatever," except your gross generalizations make me physically ill. girls like to giggle and touch and stuff? guys like monster trucks and girls like dolls? WHAT PLANET ARE YOU FROM? that is the biggest stereotype and i totally resent it. anyway, first off, society does TRY to hamper people's sexuality. another thing is, i didn't say everyone is gay, so don't freak out here, ok, but i do think everyone has tendencies. now, you seem to think i'm implying only sexually attracted. that is so not what i meant. yeah, i think a lot of people can be sexually attracted to the same sex, too. but i also mean on other levels —for example, the person, who they are, etc. i could fall in love with a woman, i'm sure i probably could. and i've fallen in love with many men. so in no way did i mean to imply that all attraction is based solely on sexual feelings. or that when i'm with my friends, all i think about is sex. - --although i find it hilarious that, as a guy, you said that. because most guys i know would be the first to admit that they think about sex pretty much ALL THE TIME. you seem pretty defensive to me. that's interesting. and as for guys not WANTING to hug, or whatever, come on now. maybe you don't want to. ever think about why? guys not "touching" each other has been "unacceptable" for more than just the past decade, in case you didn't notice. it's kind of inbred, you could say. things like that become woven into your background and your mindset. anyway, i might choose to be offended by you, but i'm too tired to really care all that much. as for periods and the likes ~i hate them, but not because i feel ashamed, i just think they're obnoxious. if i had more energy, i would elaborate. maybe i need more wine? ~sam - -- Diva-to-be curvy exterior volcanic interior ------------------------------ Date: 19 Apr 00 22:10:35 CDT From: Naomi Vaughn Subject: Re: [ET: writing exercises] > if anyone tries it, let me know how it goes! > you know, maybe we could all do the same exercises, like the list > could have an exercise a week, and we could all share the results... awesome idea, i'm all for it. i'll have to try that soon. i've been curious about free association writing lately :) nice timing. lovlies, nai "if anybody ever had a heart, well i wouldn't be alone" ~mb20, "hang" ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Apr 00 22:17:35 CDT From: Naomi Vaughn Subject: Re: [Re: ET: Ricky Lake......] > i'm just curious, but how many net relationships are there on this > list who have never met? did you guys all meet on the ET list? if > so, that is so cool. it makes the list have such a homey feel just > thinking about it! :) okay, 'nother question. what's keeping you i was in one, kinda sorta technically i guess :) and it was on our little list. it is nice, in a way, having so many have that on here. very homey :) we almost met, came very close... but, it didn't happen. just was not meant to be. it was a learning/growing process, and i have no regrets. i think i'm just not really cut out of the long distance thing. i admire those of you who can tough it out though, really i do. after having the real life thing... i don't know, i guess i found i like and need that contact, ya know? it takes alot of strength, i think, i maintain something like that over such distances. but, anyways, enough of naomi's rambles... :) love, nai "if anybody ever had a heart, well i wouldn't be alone" ~mb20, "hang" ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 07:01:06 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: kara garbe Subject: ET: joe On Wed, 19 Apr 2000 23:03:09 EDT RedWoodenBeads@aol.com wrote: > Well why don't you be the first to help with this problem. Kill yourself. i know this has already been responded to quite a bit, but i have to do so as well because this was completely unacceptable. i sort of threw my hands up and swore off talking with joe yesterday in private because i was so sick of listening to his inane responses, but THIS is completely wrong. i was absolutely appalled when i read this. and tara (and i think some others) have already publicly chastised you for this comment, but i don't think they said enough. (it would be hard to say "enough" about this.) i'm really not an argumentative type, and i make excuses for a lot of people for a lot of really shitty things that they do, sometimes to me, because i can see where they're coming from and cut them some slack... but YOU, no way. you have succeeded in making me angry like i haven't gotten in a very long time, and you make me literally want to throw up because it makes me feel so shitty that i could feel this way toward another human being. maybe in person you aren't such a bad guy. i trust that there are some hidden redeeming qualities lurking under there or nai would never have been friends with you in the first place. maybe the net gives you weird confidence to say bullshit things like this. or maybe in some twisted way you think you're "showing off" for those girls you recently brought onto the list. but i hope that you look at the massive antagonism that many people on this list feel toward you now and that that makes you think twice about your words. you crossed a line that you've been working on crossing for quite a while now. it's sad that people like you make me wish this list were moderated, just so there'd be a way for you to get kicked off the list, or at least there would be an official someone to give you a little discipline talk. as it is, there is no one "in charge" here so we all have to step in and fill that role, and i firmly believe in not letting someone treat other human beings like that. i don't think that massive public humiliation is a very good way to discipline someone, but if that's all that we have right now, then i'll for go that, because above all right now i think we need to protect the integrity of the list and keep it a safe and open place for people to share those thoughts and feelings that they might be afraid to share in other places. you have definitely destroyed whatever open feeling that this list once had. perhaps removing yourself from our community, at least for a while until people cool off, would be a good thing. and hopefully if you choose to post again, it will be in a kinder and more open way. leave your ego, or whatever it is, at the door and stop attacking your fellow human beings. thank you. sincerely, kara garbe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 07:51:59 EDT From: JonBoy911@aol.com Subject: ET: re: God's stance on AIDS In a message dated 04/19/2000 9:52:05 PM Mountain Daylight Time, Cassidy831@aol.com writes: << If God dislikes a group of people, and destroys an entire village because of it, then why is he not doing it now? >> I just have a few points. 1) Titleing a post where you address a religious belief "blah blah blah" is insulting in itself. 2) God did not send a disease to the towns of Sodom and Gamora(sp?) he burned them to the ground, with the citizens in them. They were horrible people, NOT just gay people. 3) The reason this is not a very good argument to make, and to answer the question, "if that is true, why doesn't God just do that know?" Because it is Old Testament logic. As a Christian I need to not take the actions of God or the laws of that period to heart anymore. You see, the New Testament is when Jesus Christ comes to Earth. All previous religious laws were then null and void. In the Old Testament the Bible says, "Eye for an eye" I don't think Jesus would agree with that. and one final point, 4) Question someones beliefs all that you want. Ask questions all that you want, but the second you end a post talking about someone's beliefs with "puh-fucking please" you are crossing over the line. You are no longer respecting that opinion, and instead you are attacking it. Namaste, Jon ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V3 #147 **********************************