From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #142 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Wednesday, April 19 2000 Volume 03 : Number 142 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * eda-thoughts-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY * the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- ET: introductions... [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] ET: gay crap [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] Re: ET: gay crap [Nikita Wilson ] ET: Re: hetero? homo? [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] ET: Re: blanket statements [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] ET: Re: 100% [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] ET: #140, gays, religion, aids, kara [Katherine Alexandra ] ET: just some thoughts [Katherine Alexandra ] ET: ~the second sought after~ [shivergirl ] ET: Ricky Lake...... ["stephen" ] Re: ET: Re: hetero? homo? [JonBoy911@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 00:10:29 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: ET: introductions... Hello everyone! Allow me to introduce some new angels! My sweet, Jessica, Spacelily3@aol.com, yeah! one of my best friends, gloria, Glo20000@aol.com They are the best! I hope you guys have fun! no longer cradled in gravity's memory still in and spinning in spiral drifts of endlessness spinning in torment into the garden of light - -Pale Saints "A Thousand Stars Burst Open" http://www.chickpages.com/musicmania/joepages ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 00:13:10 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: ET: gay crap I don't think women are more prone to bisexuality. A lot of my female friends say they cannot even begin to imagine being attracted to another woman. So, I think that's a rather rediculous assumtion. no longer cradled in gravity's memory still in and spinning in spiral drifts of endlessness spinning in torment into the garden of light - -Pale Saints "A Thousand Stars Burst Open" http://www.chickpages.com/musicmania/joepages ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:18:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Nikita Wilson Subject: Re: ET: gay crap That title is such the wrong title to use because right away i got pissed that you said that 'gay crap'. for some people it isnt crap ok? and btw people can think what they think it is how this socoiety and getting ot be fucked up. know one is thinking - --- RedWoodenBeads@aol.com wrote: > I don't think women are more prone to bisexuality. A > lot of my female friends > say they cannot even begin to imagine being > attracted to another woman. So, I > think that's a rather rediculous assumtion. > > no longer cradled in gravity's memory > still in and spinning in spiral drifts of > endlessness > spinning in torment into the garden of light > -Pale Saints "A Thousand Stars Burst Open" > http://www.chickpages.com/musicmania/joepages > ===== "When I was in there and it started to get bad.....I thought of you...you're the only one of us that still has a soul" "Thanks for the binoculars. Walter- Anytime. Anyplace, any position." " AM i under orders to honor and obey..just obey" " Have I ever told you that I love you? " " You should have let him do it" " You have to drink this..." " MUST...HAVE..GREEN..STUFF.." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 00:18:12 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: ET: Re: hetero? homo? In a message dated 4/18/00 9:02:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org writes: << this is in response to joe's post, which i deleted before i realized that i wanted to reply to it, so i can't quote him... but i just wanted to say that although heterosexuality might be more desirable for the continuation of a species, that doesn't mean that heterosexuality is "better" or however joe worded it... i think there are enough straight people out there in the world that the gay population isn't threatening to cause the extinction of the human race. plus, gay couples often have the same drive to procreate that straight ones do, so they frequently adopt kids or, in the case of lesbian couples, have natural children simply by looking outside the relationship for a father. yet i doubt that these couples feel any less that they are bringing life into the world than do straight couples, and i don't think that the fact they have to look outside the relationship to produce children means anything bad. does a barren heterosexual couple who must adopt children lose any worth because of their inability to *naturally* have children? i would say no. and a gay couple is the same thing. >> For one thing, gay couples having kids isn't a good idea. Kids need a male and female parent, so they can have that mix of identities. It doesn't matter how gay couples feel, they don't bring life into the world. If they "adopt" those lives were still brought into this existance through a heterosexual act of union. When I was like 12/13, I used to compete in horse-backriding competitions, and one of my trainers was a gay man. He really led a fairly unhappy life, contracting AIDS and all, and finally dying a rather painful death. It was trully a horrible thing, and it was devestating. He never spoke of his sexuality, accept on his death bed. He said: "The gay life just isn't any good. I hope nobody else has to live through this". So there's a piece of my life. no longer cradled in gravity's memory still in and spinning in spiral drifts of endlessness spinning in torment into the garden of light - -Pale Saints "A Thousand Stars Burst Open" http://www.chickpages.com/musicmania/joepages ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 00:19:11 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: ET: Re: blanket statements In a message dated 4/18/00 9:02:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org writes: << making blanket statements about the worth of various groups is simple fodder for prejudice and hatred. and joe probably didn't mean that in a really prejudiced way, but it could have been interpreted in such a light, so i couldn't help responding. >> I didn't say anything about the groups, I said the HOMOSEXUAL UNION AND LIFESTYLE. no longer cradled in gravity's memory still in and spinning in spiral drifts of endlessness spinning in torment into the garden of light - -Pale Saints "A Thousand Stars Burst Open" http://www.chickpages.com/musicmania/joepages ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 00:20:08 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: ET: Re: 100% In a message dated 4/18/00 9:02:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org writes: << No one is really 100% straigt, or 100% gay. >> That is a very radical statement and is false, my friend. no longer cradled in gravity's memory still in and spinning in spiral drifts of endlessness spinning in torment into the garden of light - -Pale Saints "A Thousand Stars Burst Open" http://www.chickpages.com/musicmania/joepages ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:33:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Katherine Alexandra Subject: ET: #140, gays, religion, aids, kara question..i never got digest number 140? any reason? gays...alrighty...THEY HELP THE POPULATION. we have way too many people on earth. plus look at the genetic information that they are finding today. why deny impulses that aren't hurting anyone? and when you quote the bible...does it really matter? bc if you dont believe in the bible, then quoting doesn't really change anything, ya know? religion and gays...i think sometimes we are so afraid of homosexuality bc we all get those feelings. a lot of my guy friends have admitted to thinking gay thoughts at some point. even when guys jerk off to porn together, that's a bit homosexual in my opinion. aids...gays creating aids? i hate that arguement. you know in florida, more chicks that are between the ages of 15-23 are getting aids now? bc these chicks keep thinking, "i'm not a gay male". which is so ridiculous. kara..you are such an awesome chick :) just had to add that. thinks for all the info you have been sending me. love, kat __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 00:36:06 -0400 From: "Kevin B. Pease" Subject: ET: Re: gay crap writes: > I don't think women are more prone to bisexuality. A lot of my female friends > say they cannot even begin to imagine being attracted to another woman. So, I > think that's a rather rediculous assumtion. I don't think that was the point Kara (and others) have been trying to make... I believe that their point was, it is more "acceptable" in polite society for a couple of girls to hold hands, hug, touch each other, and so on. This translates to a far more ready acceptance in social settings of physical contact between women. It's a lot easier for two women to get away with something like this than it is for two men, let's be honest. Our society is more permissive of this sort of contact between women (and in some cases, even encourages it... let's be honest), and this makes it safer for them to express any homosexual tendencies they might have. What I'd say this then boils down to is, a lot more people than you'd think probably have at least _thought_ about... eating from the other side of the salad bar... once or twice. And in our society, physicality between women is a lot more permissible than physical contact between men. Hence, it's safer for women to explore these sorts of thoughts & urges. Here's a rhetorical question, which we both know the answer to: Could two grown men walk down the street in anytown, USA, with their arms around each other, giggling & laughing, and NOT have to fear getting their asses kicked? On the other hand, how unnatural would the same anytown, USA find two grown women walking down the street with their arms around each other, giggling & laughing? Kevin - -- Kevin Pease kbpease@concentric.net ICQ UIN: 3106063 AOL IM: kbpease ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:42:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Katherine Alexandra Subject: ET: just some thoughts i remember the day pretty well. it's one of those days in a woman's life that she never forgets. no, not when she loses her virginity (and why is it considerd losing? its not like, OOPS WHERE DID IT GO??!), it was the day that i first got my period. it's weird to write about it, bc it was such a source of complete embarrasement to me. why? bc, and kara brought this up at some point to me, it's in some sort of way, a right of passage. i was 13 years old and living in poland. when i saw the blood my face turned red and i just wanted to be a child. i felt dirty, horrible, ugly and no longer daddy's little girl. i remember telling my mother quietly, as if it were some sort of secret, as if something wrong happened to me. i remember swearing to never have my daughter feel this way. i met this beautiful girl my sophomore year of high school. she was a senior at the time. she told me one day, about shaving her legs. and how she feels obligated to. but because her grandmother shaved her legs. bc it was something that women due, bc it made her feel that in some sort of way, she was allowing the tradition to go on. she told me, how one night she didn't care about her period. bc it made her happy that she could create a child. it made her feel that in some way, it proved to her that she was a woman. i know all of this is cheesy, but this is my question and there is a reason for this post. why is that in society, and i have talked to a lot of females about this, why is it that so often girls are ashamed of having their period? when i was 15 instead of stuffing, my friends and i would wear big shirts to hide our breasts. we felt dirty, ashamed and wrong. why is this? has anyone else ever felt this way? yes, i know this is incredibly cheesy... but this also goes back to the homosexual thing and i women are prone to it. statisticly speaking i think i heard that there is a 2 per cent increase of male homosexuals then female. i think bc females, esp in their teens feel comfortable talking intimately with females might also feel not as ashamed about homosexual thoughts. hell i dont know. men always react so dramatic about it. ahhh this post is gonna come out all wrong. kat __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 00:51:22 -0400 From: shivergirl Subject: ET: ~adopting her fantastic chaos~ (in lieu of homophobic posts that just don't know it) (i almost feel weird for writing something non-inflammatory or worthy of discussion ;) (listnie to why kant tori read--anybody gots?) (t.s. i lub brackets :) ~adopting her fantastic chaos~ throughout the scholastic, september hell when the loosening of bonds signaled the unmaking of self, she sat down in a puddle of loss, physically feeling her stagnated thoughts come roaring to a halt; demonizing and divining, projecting and conniving, culling poetry and fierce eulogies out of the ether, that had simply become 'what's the matter?' invasive queries; random and death-like, seldom resembling anything, shivering with sparks + this list has been my Sargasso, you know; and i told the world more than once, how you were bad, why you were good, so: don't turn all censor-editor ted all of a sudden, if it can be helped; write some other forward, or go prologue yourself-- instead + repository of scaredy- cats who haven't been nuked or declawed-- yet, just arbitrarily outlawed by the ranks of the non-neurotic, human cranks, and their boring, stifling, normal- people laws + 'prepare to meet thy god' the sign shouts; and i think to myself, genuflecting and deflecting double-whammy bouts of awe: how bad could she be? so why not? + you are a multiplying germ, a rainy-day, slithering, overlong worm; yet splitting you in two with my girlie spice-girl shoe isn't exactly putting you through the kind of bodily misery you so richly deserve, you mutant perv; and you breed like a cockroach, coming out of the corners of my room, glued to the morsels of recognition i produce; with a pen and a white wall, (virgin-like, reminiscent of december) before you crept into my pages, before you snuck up behind me, burning and intense, searching for a male virus, teetering and dancing just before the fall + i render you insignificant, simply because you didn't respond in kind; and you haven't-- not yet; just remaining violently silent. i find that you have become what i loathe most in the world: unsparingly selfish, yet slave to someone else's fetish; courage unfurled, with a long-forgotten grateful bow; this is all you are to me now: desperate prose, the picture of my rose; the rest of the future love story, dusty and stunted, untold + love&hugz, "miss tara" :) t.s. jag alskar dig, min fastmo (avec les appropriate chapeaus ;) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 01:12:35 -0400 From: shivergirl Subject: ET: ~the second sought after~ + i'm trying to see myself honestly; and that is why i need you-- here-- with me + it is gloomy today and when is it anything but, except when i have your voice loving my ear, and i really don't care--whether i accomplish anything, except being good enough to wear your ring + i'd like to experience the optic creation of you; the telepathic manifestation and real-time realization of black jeans and short-sleeved t-shirt, no matter the weather, along with a 8mm buzz-cut; all that eludes my greedy-guts fingers, makes my world without you a rut + i knew you were in or back from town, but it had been far too long since i last had the chance to drown, in your lovely european-ness, your delectable lack of yank finesse; reaching out tentatively, full of need--and for a second you made me feel like i could give again, live in love, and try to mend--all that went before + the last time i was here i was on my way to the airport, after i aborted the good judgement of my parents; i came back and it was even harder to try and sort out where rebellion began and thoughtless defiance intertwined and ran their course; the taxi waiting, the hotel looming with the promise of illegal intercourse; i panicked but i've come anyway, away, unentered and thankful, today; and the only things that remain, are the buses and the planes, my willfulness and your pain, crumpled and thrown away, on a ticket that can never be reimbursed or used-- by us-- again + ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 01:17:51 -0400 From: "stephen" Subject: ET: Ricky Lake...... Sorry, but there are some of us that have more problems in our lives besides who is gay and who isn't. Or, who is pure gay and who isn't. Atleast the majority of you can be with the one you love or atleast see them every week. It has taken months of work and planning and heartache between families and friends just for my sweetheart and I to have a chance at being together for two months. And now there are just more problems pilling up in front of our eyes. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 07:28:58 EDT From: JonBoy911@aol.com Subject: Re: ET: Re: hetero? homo? In a message dated 04/18/2000 10:21:00 PM Mountain Daylight Time, RedWoodenBeads@aol.com writes: << When I was like 12/13, I used to compete in horse-backriding competitions, and one of my trainers was a gay man. He really led a fairly unhappy life, contracting AIDS and all, and finally dying a rather painful death. It was trully a horrible thing, and it was devestating. He never spoke of his sexuality, accept on his death bed. He said: "The gay life just isn't any good. I hope nobody else has to live through this". >> I know plenty of straight people who contracted AIDS, and lived a very unhappy life before they died. Maybe we should just not have sex at all?? :) I have a problem with people saying that a child needs a male and female role model, or however you want to say it. My father wasn't around for most of my childhood. What about my friends who were reared in a single parent relationship? Should the state not allow someone to be reared in a single parent environment? That is only one gender being represented in their life. Namaste, Jon ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V3 #142 **********************************