From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #136 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Sunday, April 16 2000 Volume 03 : Number 136 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * eda-thoughts-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY * the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- ET: love love love love love love love LOVE LOVE LOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [RedW] ET: true love [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] ET: new question: infatuation [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] ET: simple defition [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] ET: infatuation and love ["Seth D. Fulmer" ] ET: my long ramblems; an apology [Katherine Alexandra ] ET: CHURCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] ET: define yourslef [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] ET: the definition of me ["* windex *" ] RE: ET: infatuation and love [courtney gordon ] RE: ET: the definition of me [courtney gordon ] ET: "smart" [courtney gordon ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 20:14:59 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: ET: love love love love love love love LOVE LOVE LOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In a message dated 4/15/00 4:22:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org writes: << Because I personally feel that the peace it's possible to achieve through spirituality can be deeper than love for other human beings. Or, at the very least, that love for human beings is a path into something spiritual, something even divine. >> I feel that love is the deepest form of dininity. through love, you experience the ultimate spiritual awareness of who you are. Not to say that solitude can't bring this as well, but love tends to drag it out. no longer cradled in gravity's memory still in and spinning in spiral drifts of endlessness spinning in torment into the garden of light - -Pale Saints "A Thousand Stars Burst Open" http://www.chickpages.com/musicmania/joepages ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 20:20:55 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: ET: true love In a message dated 4/15/00 4:22:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org writes: << Perhaps the question should be What is True Love? >> true love is like love that is true no longer cradled in gravity's memory still in and spinning in spiral drifts of endlessness spinning in torment into the garden of light - -Pale Saints "A Thousand Stars Burst Open" http://www.chickpages.com/musicmania/joepages ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 20:23:27 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: ET: new question: infatuation ok everyone, here's a new question: what is infatuation? no longer cradled in gravity's memory still in and spinning in spiral drifts of endlessness spinning in torment into the garden of light - -Pale Saints "A Thousand Stars Burst Open" http://www.chickpages.com/musicmania/joepages ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 20:25:24 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: ET: simple defition In a message dated 4/15/00 4:22:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org writes: << Love is just Love, no words could define the extravagance of the feeling. Its simple...Love >> actually, i have a definition love: love is the desire to sacrafice one's self for the good of another no longer cradled in gravity's memory still in and spinning in spiral drifts of endlessness spinning in torment into the garden of light - -Pale Saints "A Thousand Stars Burst Open" http://www.chickpages.com/musicmania/joepages ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 21:01:33 -0400 From: "Seth D. Fulmer" Subject: ET: infatuation and love At 08:23 PM 4/15/00 EDT, RedWoodenBeads@aol.com wrote: >ok everyone, here's a new question: > >what is infatuation? Hey there everyone :) I define "infatuation" as an irrational admiration for an object or person. "Irrational" I mean as where it is unfounded. Naturally a person requires a reason to admire someone or something. Simply blindly placing admiration is irrational as there is no reason behind it. If the person or object does not return the admiration, it is not a rational choice to continue admiring the object or person...hence it's infatuation. As for the 2nd post... At 08:25 PM 4/15/00 EDT, RedWoodenBeads@aol.com wrote: >actually, i have a definition > >love: love is the desire to sacrafice one's self for the good of another Wouldn't you(plural) consider there to be several levels of self sacrifice for this definition? I know I love my parents but there are levels I would go to sacrifice myself. If I were asked to kill myself, I would have to think twice about that for some people but not for others. Some of my friends I would give my life for as well as some relatives, however others I wouldn't. Some of my friends I would spend $400+ to go to a dance or a hockey game, but others I would have problem spending $5 for. Jesus loved everybody and would sacrifice everything, as he did, for anyone. However there are some couples(husband and wife) that could be said to love each other but one would be surprised if they were asked to kill one of themselves for the other. I think it all depends on understood limits. One never asks a friend, even a best friend, to have sex with them....Why? Because of the limits. Perhaps they would but the consequences defy the limits of the love involved in the friendship. However there is an understood limits to the self-sacrifice. Well I'm done ranting...Talk to you all later :) Seth D. Fulmer mailto:kaosking@voicenet.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 17:58:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Katherine Alexandra Subject: ET: my long ramblems; an apology angels.... i just want to apologize for how long my rambles have been lately. i realize that i should probably space out my thoughts a bit more, and write perhaps a bit less to get to the point...the thing is..and i am sure that all of you have gone through this...when you have so many thoughts, so much is going on in your mind, all at once. and you have to figure out some way to get all of it out, to just vomit your feelings, thoughts, worries, ideals..and then, perhaps a couple of weeks from now, i will feel nothing, i wont be able to outline my thoughts, and i will be hiding in the woodwork...so this is an apology that i send such long posts (like this one is turning out to be. god dammit i'm so wordy!), i'm gonna TRY to limit them a bit (mind you, this will be hard for me, so much is going on in my mind). thanks! kat __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 21:41:16 -0400 (EDT) From: courtney gordon Subject: ET: whoohoohoo Dear Angels, just a random poem for a very very very special person in my life that I love very very very much. Untitled I love you sounds so shallow compared to how I really feel But all I want from you is what you are. If you feel so compelled to build me a Tahj Mahal, have at it, but I don't want it. And I don't want a girraffe. Being constantly discouraged by the space between us, I'm forced to torture myself with it. But I know if you were here I could make my decision so easily. I don't really know what I'm doing with myself right now, but I do know I love you. And until the day I can tell you "I do", that's enough for now. ~~~~~~ This is for you, you know who you are. Courtney PS I'm sure some of you have guessed who the guy is, and yes, I am pathetic. :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 22:01:08 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: ET: CHURCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In a message dated 4/15/00 4:22:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org writes: << May I suggest that if the leaders of the church you are referring to said you had to kiss the ground they walk on, they had things dreadfully wrong. You were going to the wrong church. But please don't hold that against God...it had nothing to do with Him. >> What does Church have to do with God? People act like they go to church and that makes thhem Godly. no longer cradled in gravity's memory still in and spinning in spiral drifts of endlessness spinning in torment into the garden of light - -Pale Saints "A Thousand Stars Burst Open" http://www.chickpages.com/musicmania/joepages ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 22:06:54 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: ET: define yourslef kat, that post ruled!!!!!!!! no longer cradled in gravity's memory still in and spinning in spiral drifts of endlessness spinning in torment into the garden of light - -Pale Saints "A Thousand Stars Burst Open" http://www.chickpages.com/musicmania/joepages ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 17:25:38 MDT From: "* windex *" Subject: ET: the definition of me Well Kat how can I say what was in my heart when you took the words straight out of my mouth and put them into everyone's plain view so waonderfully. Your an amazing writer. But anyway I don't think I could even begin to describe myself at this moment in time because I have no idea who I am. When do you think you realize who you are? There have been times in my life when I have had such a clear grasp on a smile, or a perfect moment and then it all goes away. I could define myself on my family but I have never heard them say they loved me or were proud of me. I cant define myself by my catch of men because most of them treat me like just another object. I can't define myself by the friendships I have because the change as quickly as the minutes in a day. I cannot define myself on the love I hold because it all seems so distant at times. And finaly I cant define myself on who I am because I have no Idea who that is. I dont know what makes me tick, I dont know what its like to be truelly happy or fulfilled. I guess the ony thing I can define myself by is the moment. The moment I step into that perfectly fit dress, the moment I give the right anser on the test, the moment I get that crazy smile from the guy that makes my heart skip a bit, the moment I see the sunrise on that warm clear morning, the moment I see the first star of the evening-clear and alone like an unbeatable dream, the moment I realize I am a person, the moment I can truelly smile. See all the dreams I have yet to dream and all the world I have yet to take on will define me as a person. The day I die I will define it for you. The trials and the triumphs, my falls and rises. I will be defined for who's lives I changed and who's hearts I won. But Most of all I will be defined by my hearts true happiness. Loves kerry ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 22:55:55 -0400 (EDT) From: courtney gordon Subject: RE: ET: infatuation and love Dear Angels, I think that infatuation is when you have a totally illogical love for someone. Like if you think you are in love with a certain celebrity, chances or zero to nil that you'll actually get them, and so that is an infatuation. But love is something you can't define. Especially the feeling of being in love. In love... You can't ask anybody if you're in love, you just have to find out on your own. Everyone has a different definition for love and being in love. For me, I define love as having a deep care for a person, and you have a tie with that person that can't be matched in exactly the same way. Being in love... now that's tough. It's not something you can really define. For me it's when that person walks in the room and you don't even have to see it happen, you can just sense it. If it's a mutual thing, you can both sense when the other is happy or sad. When you're in love with a person that is in love with you as well, you have a feeling of completeness. You are willing to call them when they live in Florida and you live in Michigan, get your ass kicked by your mother, and pay 21 freakin dollars just to hear Chris's voice for 1 1/2 hours total; and yet you only have 15 dollars, but you need that for class dues that are due before May 21st! Ugh! wait, I'm sorry, got a little detailed for most of you. sorry. gotta go, Courtney ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 23:07:45 -0400 (EDT) From: courtney gordon Subject: RE: ET: the definition of me Dear Angels, I know definitly how I'd physically describe myself, but mentally and emotionally i'm not really sure. Physically, I'm 5'8", green eyes with a cute little orange ring in them, auburn hair, a body kind of like Jewel's. The rest of it is kind of blurry. I am easily amused, i am a strong, poetic, deeply emotional woman. Indecisiveness may, or may not, be my problem. I am a romantic, in love with love; which I am convinced is the best feeling on earth. Being in love with someone, and having that person in love with you is an amazing feeling that I hope all of you experience at least once in your lives. I rely heavily on my friends to be there for me, only to find out when i need them they normally aren't, and so I have gotten used to holding my own hand. I like dark gothic colors, I find myself amused by gory details of the holocaust. I consider myself pretty. I have self confidence. I love my friends. To make it short, I am a strong, profound woman. I would also like to share with everyone here, that I was sexually abused as a child and I just realized that I am finally over it, due greatly to the help of Chris (Sly), one of the angels on this list, and to him, I am forever gratefull. Courtney ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 23:16:20 -0400 (EDT) From: courtney gordon Subject: ET: "smart" Dear Angels, (Sorry I've posted so much lately) I don't know what made me think of this, but last week I was talking to this really profound guy in my French II class, Keith Wright, and i was reading a poem of his. he said he didn't consider himself smart and that he hated being called that; but he does consider himself intelligent. (Yes, I am aware of the difference). We talked about it and I asked him why, and he said that the word "smart" is based off of what other people want from you. The school will call you smart if you do everything they want you to do, and you do it right. People in your family will call you smart if you can do things they can do. The guy down the road will call you smart if you listen to him lecture you about getting the newspaper on his front step and then you start doing it. He asked me if I think I'm smart, and I said i didn't know. I know I am intelligent, and I know I'm school smart in certain areas, but I wasn't sure where he was going with his question.He said he thought if he considered himself smart, he'd be defining that part of him based on what everyone else thinks, and that's weak...he said the word "smart" shouldn't exist. I don't really know why I'm telling you all this, but it was just a thought. i agree with him. courtney ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V3 #136 **********************************