From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #129 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Thursday, April 13 2000 Volume 03 : Number 129 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * eda-thoughts-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY * the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: ET: roya's lovely question ["Platt, Caroline" ] ET: Just a question... [NoWay345@aol.com] ET: hungry tummies, tupperware parties, silly boys...... [Katherine Alexa] Re: ET: jesus' favorites, plastic jesus', glow in the dark crosses ["~* c] Re: ET: to shiv [zerocool@sunlink.net (Niki)] Re: ET:it's not just Christianity [zerocool@sunlink.net (Niki)] Re: ET: jesus' favorites, plastic jesus', glow in the dark crosses [zeroc] ET: Re: christianity [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] ET: finally, Sly gets up and does a poem for a change ["Chris Sylvester" ] ET: gods and flowers [shivergirl ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 10:53:04 -0700 From: "Platt, Caroline" Subject: RE: ET: roya's lovely question the logic would apply, if sex were really taboo. like in the victorian period, yes. sex is not taboo now, though. watch a couple of commercials and think about how NOT taboo sexual suggestion is now. there are a lot of theories being circulated baout how this is affecting relatioships in generations (like ours) growing up this way, where sex isnt hidden and also isnt the "reward" for marriage.... i am hoping that it will mean that marriage and other serious relationships will be based on things less fleeting than sexual attraction. :) - -----Original Message----- From: DPS8315@aol.com [mailto:DPS8315@aol.com] Sent: April 13, 2000 1:03 PM To: Caroline.Platt@wbr.com Subject: Re: ET: roya's lovely question In a message dated 4/12/00 2:43:31 PM US Eastern Standard Time, Caroline.Platt@wbr.com writes: > perhaps the reason that people think so much "good" poetry, or rather poetry > or expression that touches them, is the sad stuff is this: talking about > pain is a bit more taboo than talking about joy, so perhaps poetry that does > that stands out. and also perhaps gets expressed in poetry because it is > conversational taboo.... > > or something. ;) i love the clarifying "or something" and here's a question to question your logic: does that mean that sexually explicit poetry could be ever better than "sad" poetry? it is after all, incredibly taboo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:32:05 -0700 From: Nicole Subject: Re: ET: Re: kara's response well i think this is something happy and skillfully written, but i'm open for argument... nik :) ~the tiny raining angel~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ what i'd travel rapid-walk the world, tread desert sand, climb-hike mountains, kayak arctic cold, dig-shovel salt, i'd stop for food rest and sometimes shelter, stop for a pint at an irish pub, to look at tunisian jewels, to admire mysterious cairo, but never more than moments, i'd travel rapid-walk the world (and then come back) just to touch your lips to mine (and the beauty in your kiss would make even the pyramids seem like a stone pile) if history were mine, your name would translate to "masterpiece" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 10:11 AM Subject: Re: ET: Re: kara's response > that's what i'm talkin about! > > skillfully write happy things! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:47:26 EDT From: NoWay345@aol.com Subject: ET: Just a question... I haven't posted to the list is a very long time, but ever since the whole "questions" topic came up I've been trying to think of one. And today, in my English class, we were talking about the idea of a Fountain of Youth. Suppose for a moment, that you were allowed to sip out of the Fountain of Youth and return to when you were 5,or 15, or 25, or whatever. Would you? Why or why not? I don't know if that's a stupid question or not, but it led to a 45 minute discussion with my class, so I figured the people on this list might like to discuss it (o; ~Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:12:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Katherine Alexandra Subject: ET: hungry tummies, tupperware parties, silly boys...... all of this is old....the first and last one from my 16th year and the middle on (2.5 kids) is from last year.... I EMBRACED ONLY WHAT I KNEW... my skies have been grey without a sign of humanity harsh words beating down on me like the urgent sun swollen arms and hungry tummies barely knowing his name; her name i embraced only what i knew and diregarded the rest as nonsense under dimlights and cigerette smoke cruel words rom the bar angry fists and broken dreams i saw him in the corner of my dull brown eyes he brought out the green he made me sparkle the laugh which i once had before.... cloudy nights stole it from me... and now i'm standing missing what could have been. 2.5 KIDS what do wanna be when you up, little girl? i wanna have 2.5 kids and have tupperware parties when i grow up. i want a station wagon with a little tv in it. i want to play celine dion and top 40 music. i want my husband to come home around 6, while i'm fixing dinner (meat loaf on thursdays). i want him to yell at the 2.5 kids for being too loud. we will have a trampoline in the backyard by the bbq and a basketball hoop in the driveway. if the 2.5 kids wine enough they will get a dog, which we will genericaly name sandy. i will be a soccer mom and hate my job. we will throw crazy dinner parties, where our others friends can wine about their jobs and their 2.5 kids. we can chuckle over the weeks news while clinking glasses filled with cheap red wine. we will all pretend to be sophisticated, something special, in our rooms-to-go living room. i will dance around taboo subjects, never speak my mind in public, and secretly thumb through tabloids. i will hate my thieghs. and once we put the children in to bed, i will eat bon-bons and watch lettermen, with no interest in my husband. i will be ashamed if a man looks at me. my 2.5 kids will go to public school, ride the bus and play at the park, but i will complain about paying taxes. my husband and i will get mad one day, divorce...he will move cross country with his new wife never to pay child support, for thos 2.5 kids. i will meet someone new at a singles bar, who also has 2.5 kids. together we will have 5 children and everything will be peachy. i wanna be conformed, i wanna blend in the sceneory, i wanna be just another woman when i grow up. because if i bothered telling you the truth, you would laugh, and you wouldn't believe me to begin with. CONFESSIONS OF A 16 YEAR OLD he, the man with sideburns and a nosering, asked me if i have ever kissed a girl. i looked down at my oxford blood doc's. i hate this little town. he asked me how it felt, to touch her breasts, my ears turned red. why can't they just leave me alone? i had too much to drink, i said quietly. he grabbed onto my shoulder and laughed. told me it was sexy. i wanted to crawl into my skin and hide. only 16 years old and i felt such anger towards men. towards their large hands and their broad shoulders. to the way they stare into my tits. to their penis' that bulge out with every hug. i whisper in the classroom..go, go, go, go...but they throw pieces of paper at my chest, they drop pencils for me to pick them up...the older ones arent' any different...i hate them, i hate them, i hate them.... and i wonder, did their momma's ever teach them the word no? do they have any idea of how it feels? to be trapped into an embrace, with no strength to get out, to feel forcefull kisses, to have to shut the eyes tightly and pray, wish, hope...that they will grasp a better hold of the english language one day. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:52:03 GMT From: "~* cymbaline *~" Subject: Re: ET: jesus' favorites, plastic jesus', glow in the dark crosses >saving someone from cancer, a miracle of equal significance but smaller >scale, is just as unlikely, but if i go praying for it.. or if you go >praying >for it.... > >neither will happen. has nothing to do with god. Oh really? I used to go to church w/ this lady. She had a 9 year old son. Well, he was born with a big hole in his heart. He went from doctor to doctor w/ various medical problems when he was only a few months old. Then he was scheduled to have surgery (still an infant). Well, she prayed and prayed and prayed. The church prayed and prayed and prayed. The day of the surgery, she went in and told the doctor she has faith that God would heal her son. And that they should do another Xray thing of his heart. The doctors said No way, because there's no way his hole could just go away without surgery. She was persistant, finally the doctors gave in. They went and did the Xray od his heart, and there was no hole. Peace, Kelly ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 18:00:14 -0500 From: zerocool@sunlink.net (Niki) Subject: Re: ET: to shiv I'm pretty sure it was time magazine. And I know there are people out there that really do believe in Buddism who weren't brought up with the religion. I have nothing against that. And I know that there ARE people out there who say they are part of a religion but don't believe in it. That's what I disagree with. Whether it be Christianity, Buddism, whatever. But there are people out there who truly believe in their religion... another question for you all- do you think that these people who market Christianity are all non-believers and are just in it for the money? What's your take on that?... Just curious to see what people think of that... In my own opinion I think these people just don't understand the religion fully. ****************************************************************************** Check out my Website at: >http://www.refmaker.com/members/legomoney.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 18:05:55 -0500 From: zerocool@sunlink.net (Niki) Subject: Re: ET:it's not just Christianity >this, i'm sure, will come off terribly, but it's one of the most genuine >questions I've ever had about religion in general, esp christianity.. > >if you take all of the muslims, hindus, islams, buddhist, zaos...whoever >wherever, they dwindle the number of "christian" believers out there, and I >just wanted to know if they all get saved too.. Good question. One I've thought about myself. Some people seem to think not (you know the people who go around 'spreading the word' and trying to convert people to Christianity) and some don't think so. In my own opinion I think that most people believe in a god. And if you look at Catholics, Christians. etc and break it down, everyone's definition of God is somewhat the same ex. someone you pray to for help, someone who helps in times of need So personally I think that if you believe in God, no matter what religion you are, that you will be saved. ****************************************************************************** Check out my Website at: >http://www.refmaker.com/members/legomoney.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 18:13:08 -0500 From: zerocool@sunlink.net (Niki) Subject: Re: ET: jesus' favorites, plastic jesus', glow in the dark crosses >>saving someone from cancer, a miracle of equal significance but smaller >>scale, is just as unlikely, but if i go praying for it.. or if you go >>praying >>for it.... >> >>neither will happen. has nothing to do with god. > Who wrote this? I somehow missed reading this... i guess you could be right...if you don't have faith in God and praying then you're right-nothing will happen, but if you do believe and keep faith then you will be pleasently surprised by the power of prayer. How do I know? Because I've seen it happen...I've seen what it can do. And I'd bet my life and everyone's lives that I love on the fact that prayer is a powerful thing ****************************************************************************** Check out my Website at: >http://www.refmaker.com/members/legomoney.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 18:13:09 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: ET: Re: christianity In a message dated 4/13/00 10:18:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org writes: << Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:15:11 EDT From: DPS8315@aol.com Subject: Re: ET:it's not just Christianity this, i'm sure, will come off terribly, but it's one of the most genuine questions I've ever had about religion in general, esp christianity.. if you take all of the muslims, hindus, islams, buddhist, zaos...whoever wherever, they dwindle the number of "christian" believers out there, and I just wanted to know if they all get saved too.. >> the fact that evangelicals think everyone except evangelicals are going to "hell" is quite annoying, and even laughable. no longer cradled in gravity's memory still in and spinning in spiral drifts of endlessness spinning in torment into the garden of light - -Pale Saints "A Thousand Stars Burst Open" http://www.chickpages.com/musicmania/joepages ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 17:49:05 PDT From: "Chris Sylvester" Subject: ET: finally, Sly gets up and does a poem for a change hey! it's been well over a year since i've posted anything, but i read a poem by somone who means a lot to me, and it spawned a poem in me. it might not be very good, but i mean every word of it. "Wishes" I'd do anything For you Anything For our love But you deserve far more Than anything I could give you You want a Tahj Mahal? I'll build one By myself With my hare hands. You want a Pyramid? Or the Sphinx? I'll capture Egypt (why not make you a goddess in the meantime?) You want worshipers? I'll start the first church Of You. I'll pluck the sun from the sky And have it follow you always. I'll bring down the moon To reflect your celestial glory Out to all who can see. I'll buy you a giraffe Just because. I'll bring back the dead Ressurect a band So you can have a private concert To make you happy. Do you want an ocean? I'll take them all And declare them yours. Do you want a nation? An army? A mountian? A river? Do you prefer gold or silver Or diamonds? Speak And thy will be done. Name it And I'll fight the legions of hell to get it I'll be your magic genie You wish being my command And every time you make a wish, I'll grant you one more. All these things, I will do For you, My love - ------------- ~Sly (yeah i know, but i'm totally in love with this girl, so sue me. just give her the money) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:49:05 -0400 From: shivergirl Subject: ET: gods and flowers Niki wrote: > >this, i'm sure, will come off terribly, but it's one of the most genuine > >questions I've ever had about religion in general, esp christianity.. > > > >if you take all of the muslims, hindus, islams, buddhist, zaos...whoever > >wherever, they dwindle the number of "christian" believers out there, and I > >just wanted to know if they all get saved too.. not according to the christians, i don't think; hence the joke about the catholics/christians being in a room unto themselves in heaven and everyone else having to be quiet when the walk past, b/c they think they're the only ones there. ;) it really irks me especially when it comes to jehovah's witnesses, when they pretty much have to convert a certain number of people to secure their own spot in the great beyond. (although i always talk to them, and make time for them, i detest the kinda-stoic nature of a lot of their rules, like no birthdays or celebrating christmas). > > > . In my own opinion > I think that most people believe in a god. i agree, but not necessarily one. and if you're a true believer of there is no objective truth, like a lot of people on this list are, our experiences or conceptions of this god(s) can not be exactly the same, and never will be. > And if you look at Catholics, > Christians. etc and break it down, everyone's definition of God is somewhat > the same ex. someone you pray to for help, someone who helps in times of > need that's fine and great, but once again, we're limiting our scope to simply christianity, which is pretty narrow. the whole philosophy behind the other religions regarding god isn't exactly as cut-and-dried as that, i don't think...like the easter ones, and buddhism,,,,, i mean, it's not so much this parental, helpful god as this force and non self-consciousness that they're after.. > So personally I think that if you believe in God, no matter what > religion you are, that you will be saved. sorry, but this dependence just doesn't do it for me. save yourself. pray to as many gods and flowers as you want, but don't forget yourself entirely, no matter what the eastern religions say. tarA. "and i'm sorry that jesus died for my sins, and i swear to god, it won't happen again." ~jewel ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V3 #129 **********************************