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Today's Subjects: ----------------- ET: Help me [Nikita Wilson ] ET: rock-a-bye [Naomi ] ET: jesus merchandise [Katherine Alexandra ] ET: romeo is bleeding [Jennifer ] ET: plastic jesus ["stephen" ] Re: ET: jesus' favorites, plastic jesus', glow in the dark crosses [DPS83] Re: ET: jesus' favorites, plastic jesus', glow in the dark crosses ["~* c] Re: ET: jesus' favorites, plastic jesus', glow in the dark crosses [kara ] ET: Looking for Poetry and Short Stories! ["BigBlueJr  " ] ET: ~everything you want in a drugstore~ [shivergirl ] ET: PLastic Jesus [Reecord2@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:13:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Nikita Wilson Subject: ET: Help me I am not feeling so well so plzs bear with me and this poem. Rape me now So that I will have a Reason Excuse Justification For not eating for a long time To just stop Eating my food Good god I am fucked up I am not SUPPOSE To WANT these Things to happen But yet I do So very badly So that maybe I could have my excuses Just kill me now ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~` I know it isnt the best and that is it. WB is welcome. Holly ===== "When I was in there and it started to get bad.....I thought of you...you're the only one of us that still has a soul" "Thanks for the binoculars. Walter- Anytime. Anyplace, any position." " AM i under orders to honor and obey..just obey" " Have I ever told you that I love you? " " You should have let him do it" " You have to drink this..." " MUST...HAVE..GREEN..STUFF.." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 20:07:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Naomi Subject: ET: rock-a-bye ~3am~ counted sheep till they went to sleep counted stars till they faded to one counted thoughts till it got me thinking -- I sometimes find myself blurring into you, more all the time / my mother thinks we're one, or thought, anyway / she happily found grounds to bond, in the loss of you from my eyes / she speaks of you often - making things better, making things worse / she milks every drop from my sadness - it’s the only way she knows, to get inside me / she doesn’t want to let it go, because it’s all she knows, of all she does not know / maybe this is why those things happen / my mother needs my problems / she feeds on my weakness, it makes her strong / maybe that is the purpose for pain. ===== "What is Desire? Desire is... complicated. One person always wants the other person more." -VS __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:31:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Katherine Alexandra Subject: ET: jesus merchandise i THINK most of you understand where i am coming from, and that i truly am not saying that chrisitanity itself is a trend or false...but i just believe, that yes, buying WWJD bright pink bracelets at claris seems to defeat the whole purpose....that jesus hologram key ring, i think a percentage of my $3.50 should go to some organization towards hunger and poverty. most of these items don't do that...so you are buying stuff to profit from the TREND of jesus. i think you should buy the stuff at church, and a percentage should be given to the homeless....i just dont understand the "pray hard" shirts...where are the profits going? bc i have looked at them and no where does it say to some organization to help people...just seems a bit strange and personaly, would jesus really want us to profit off of his name? his values? wouldn't jesus prefer it if people go up to you, ask you about that glow, bc they see you from EXAMPLE. not bc of a piece of clothing (just going on with that WWJD...what would he do with those bracelets??) it just seems like some old man with a station wagon is making a lot of big bucks from teenagers over christ.... sorry about keeping this going on. kat imperfect angel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:00:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Jennifer Subject: ET: romeo is bleeding Time spent inside of a dream with shadows in his eyes he came to me at that moment a new world was born- one that I willingly became lost in His light binding me in a warm embrace I listened to the blood race through my heart Divine opulence has no resembelance to what he's shown me the boundaries I'd held ceased to exisist I became immersed in the depths and tones of his voice gave myself to his seductive song Dancing in a circle of illumination- desire and lust igniting Two lovers become bound together __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 07:02:17 -0400 From: "stephen" Subject: ET: plastic jesus All I can really say is I have never met God so i really don't know what to think of him...My mother is manic depressive ..she use to totally freak out on me when i was a kid. I've seen her rip a screen door right off it's hinges. I can't tell you how much this confuses a 9 year old, especially after having other things happen to you (which i will not mention) when you were young. my mom's brother was killed in a hunting accident, my cousin died at the age of 17 from an extremely rare form of cancer (only 3 people in the US have ever had it. he was the last) . one of my uncles overdosed on drugs and another shot himself in the head.. I have never tried any form of drug except Tylenol, and the amount of alcohol that has ever been in my system would hardly amount to a bottle of nyquil. Yet, I still never seem to do enough, I still can't seem to be an accomplished individual I could talk and talk for hours and never come close to telling you all the bad luck i have had in my life. All I can tell you ( and I hope I don't offend anyone) is that none of it was for a reason and if God had anything to do with it he better pray when I die I go to hell. But I have had talks with God ..some good some bad.. lately he's been nice.. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 08:03:19 EDT From: DPS8315@aol.com Subject: Re: ET: jesus' favorites, plastic jesus', glow in the dark crosses In a message dated 4/10/00 9:04:58 PM US Eastern Standard Time, cymbaline76@hotmail.com writes: > but PUSH (pray until > something happens) "if praying were enough it would have come to be" (just had to get that out since I know it was on everyone's mind) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:12:05 GMT From: "~* cymbaline *~" Subject: Re: ET: jesus' favorites, plastic jesus', glow in the dark crosses >From: DPS8315@aol.com >In a message dated 4/10/00 9:04:58 PM US Eastern Standard Time, >cymbaline76@hotmail.com writes: > > > but PUSH (pray until > > something happens) >"if praying were enough it would have come to be" > >(just had to get that out since I know it was on everyone's mind) So you don't believe in the power of prayer? sad... God answers prayers. and jewel was talking about peace. you cant pray for peace, then turn around and do evil crap. you have to WORK to MAKE it happen. Kelly ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 12:53:53 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: kara garbe Subject: Re: ET: jesus' favorites, plastic jesus', glow in the dark crosses > >From: DPS8315@aol.com > >In a message dated 4/10/00 9:04:58 PM US Eastern Standard Time, > >cymbaline76@hotmail.com writes: > > > > > but PUSH (pray until > > > something happens) > >"if praying were enough it would have come to be" > > > >(just had to get that out since I know it was on everyone's mind) > > So you don't believe in the power of prayer? sad... God answers prayers. actually what's interesting is that i heard about a study that a doctor did with two groups of people who were receiving similar treatment for some medical condition. (as you can see, i don't know the details) anyway, he had a bunch of people pray for one of the groups and not the other, and the members of the group that was prayed for had a much higher recovery rate. so, *something* seems to be happening when people pray, although i wouldn't necessarily say "God answers prayers." who knows who these people were praying to or what their prayers were like? prayer is obviously an unexplainable thing and i don't think you can use it to prove God's existence, merely the existence of unexplainable things working in a reality beyond the one that we see daily. but, back to the whole PUSH idea -- "pray until something happens"?? i think they were trying a little too hard to make that catchy. i mean really, what does that mean, pray until i get really tired and fall over? pray until i lose my voice? pray until my prayer fails and there's no point to praying any more? that slogan doesn't seem to really convey anything. i'm not trying to crack on christianity, but i'd have to agree with kat on the commercialization of religion. thin slogans like PUSH seem to indicate that people are just trying to sell merchandise. the only possible reason i could see for justifying all this commercial stuff is to say that these things are spreading knowledge about christianity... but then again, anyone living in the US who hasn't heard of chrisianity definitely has some strange issues, and i don't think that slogans like PUSH or WWJD are really getting across anything meaningful about Christianity. i hope this isn't causing flame war type stuff. feel free to email me personally if you disagree or want to discuss this further. but i think the conversation on this issue so far has been well under control. :) ~kara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 17:58:11 CDT From: "BigBlueJr  " Subject: ET: Looking for Poetry and Short Stories! I've posted about this before, but want to do it again. So, if you dont care, just move along in your inbox. I'm creating a new website devoted to poetry and short stories. I'm hoping to have a very nice collection of pieces from talented amatuers, like all of you! If you are interested at all, please email me! You will get full credit, plus a link to your website (if you have one). Please consider doing this, it wont take long. This would be a great way to have your poetry affect more people, because hopefully, a lot of people will be visiting it! ;-) Ok, thanks a bunch! [me] //brian.lost-souls\\ http://envy.nu/brian ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 19:25:50 -0400 From: shivergirl Subject: ET: ~in lieu of the toronto church of christ~ + i am hungry i am sitting in front of the Gap while passerby rush and clap and come to a stop, and above my head hangs a poster of a leather-clad chap; a coat a cow died for, in india; and around the corner, there's the university store that sells barters sweatshop labour, like it's just a commercial chore; guess they don't know-- what all the blood and tears are for, that those foreign invisible peasants can't possibly exist off leftover scraps anymore, these days, when less is ever more + drop a penny in my cup i guarantee you sir, it won't fill up; winter's back again, and i can feel the wind slip through my chapped brown hands like the apathy you just forgot to feel today + i am perched here because i want to attract your sneering leer; the expression in your expensive eyes as you swing your gaze down onto me, the garbage- filled haze, projecting the psychosis of the situation, onto me again, unseeing + my nearest neighbour has a deformed stare, and he shouts at all the strangers streaming past, screaming jesus is their savior, as if they actually care but the secular prophets don't buy it; no, they don't like to be force-fed religious righteousness bit by sanctimonious bit; they're already aware, minus the convulsion fits, saving their prayers for sundays, and the hierarchical pulpit + ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 20:16:19 -0400 From: shivergirl Subject: ET: ~i am a composite~ + i am a composite can you feel it everything i say i mean it it's just that i don't know anymore if i really believe it so i am a composite but i just can't feel it + nowheresville: it's where i used to go, to get my thrill, my fill of small-town environmental, emotional land-spills, that encroach and choke your spine as it chills, like an obscene, ever-growing vine on love's decaying veranda + sanity it comes to me occasionally when i don't want to be me + words like shirk, they don't apply to you; they only murk up the meaning of your essence, which is what i crave the most, in this little universe; twinning spinning, smiling and grinning at the world's worst, enjoying and exhaling all that is absurd + ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 20:16:28 -0400 From: shivergirl Subject: ET: ~everything you want in a drugstore~ + hidden criticism makes me livid, looming like personal non-verbal affront, your insults were unpoetic at best, for you were not good enough then, to retaliate breathtakingly, except in your condescending lifeless prose, to bear the brunt of being the star whore of my lore, stealing my moniker, wearing my rose; cool, calm and collected; annoyingly well- adjusted, such a grown-up responsible response, from such a petty familiar cunt; yet when push comes to post, at least i can say i know you more + + her retaliation to the collection had escaped my recollection until i stumbled across a double-barreled pistol poised over a common waterfall with my words pushed over the edge into america, suddenly sullied; and all i desired was for you both to drown quietly, without much fuss, but you wouldn't oblige and i really wanted to try to write you a touching eulogy, manfully surpressing the fact that i am wonderfully ecstatically happy, a response to your response at last, finally + + equal time/yeah it rhymes/but don't you dare/ tell me/in what i believe/most strongly/because i believe/ in bias/yes/and i like to play/the sensitive smartass/even though/ what you did/what you pulled/possessed no class/just perpetuating/ the triangular mess/all in the name/of fairness/i really wish/you would just/cease this/meglomaniac bullshit/for once/and confess/you were wrong + + you can't stand it/it makes you vomit/well let me step up to the stage/ so i can take all the credit/no one else/can possibly do it/and it's rather disgusting/ to admit it/but damn it/it sure had/its intended effect/now/didn't it/ for you certainly were/the very best target/a girl could ask for/yeah/ it was all done/and now i have won/and you think/it's all been/for your benefit/ well i can't stand it + + so your opinion of me is lowering you notice i'm not exactly glowering no, in fact i'm actually glowing, simmering with glee, just maybe you're right; that i broke up with him, not because of any frequent fight, but just to get some good poems out of it; but at least, in the end, i have something lastingly beautiful-- which is double than what you're left putting out for, or up with + + life is more interesting when you are constantly weathering, or at least witnessing, crises of the heart; i don't deny it, but it would be a lie if i proclaimed it happiness, or enough to tie you over when a relationship slowly turns sour; and i'm sorry for reading your journal, because it wasn't very nocturnal, and your wavelengths were so straight-laced and narrow; i find riding your perception reminds me of swimming in sand, and besides that, it's terribly shallow; when your whole body, every crevice, is open, i can still see your closed, clenched fist; and i can still feel your clammy, thieving lips; whispering silent wishes for my imminent departure, waiting, pining, secretly sinning, slowly dying for his kiss + + if he sucked me in, did he spit you out? because you went down so easily? i dunno...but it sure seems like it to me, but it won't be hard for history to figure out + + boys hurt girls-- but oh how it smarts when the bowl of milk starts spurting sugar-coated venom, completely at random, whenever x-chromosomes begin scrapping and name-calling in tandem, over some specific example of testosterone fandom; oh how it curls the common emotion- centre in the brain that's surrounded by forts of estrogen, trust misplaced by lust, just drinking in the deliciousness of being with a penis-creature; it sure can cause all sorts of pink ruckus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 20:56:51 EDT From: Reecord2@aol.com Subject: ET: PLastic Jesus <> I LOVE U2!!!! And they still have a big following! Did you know they have the Guiness World Record for most tickets sold on a tour? (Popmart '97) Like 3 million or something... Oh right, the TOPIC...plastic Jesus thing... funny you should bring up U2, in one of their songs goes "Jesus used to show me the score/then they put jesus in show buisness/now it's hard to get in the door" see even THEY have caught onto the plastic-Jesusness! ~~Richard The Formerly El Nino Drenched Angel ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V3 #125 **********************************