From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #72 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Tuesday, February 29 2000 Volume 03 : Number 072 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * eda-thoughts-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY * the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Fwd: ET: D-Day [DPS8315@aol.com] Re: ET: D-Day [kara garbe ] Re: ET: D-Day [JonBoy911@aol.com] Re: [ET: D-Day] [genben@usa.net] ET: Do what feels right(poem) [Seth Fulmer ] ET: thanks yall [courtney gordon ] Re: ET: D-Day [Nicole ] ET: Shifting sands and changing tides. ["Sam Plant" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 06:34:53 EST From: DPS8315@aol.com Subject: Fwd: ET: D-Day - --part1_df.1caeae8.25ebb75d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --part1_df.1caeae8.25ebb75d_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: DPS8315@aol.com From: DPS8315@aol.com Full-name: DPS8315 Message-ID: <6a.be2ae7.25eb2b32@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 20:36:50 EST Subject: Re: ET: D-Day To: lunachik_@hotmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 68 In a message dated 2/27/00 8:19:25 PM US Eastern Standard Time, lunachik_@hotmail.com writes: > When there, vote for the song 'Through Being Cool' by DEVO. This song > not only has old-school sensibilities, but should severely confuse the > teeny-boppers and preps who watch the show and base their lives on > coolness. Maybe then, after seeing this, they will get the message. I hate to present such a logical argument, but the basis of your, or whomever originated it, is so hypocritical and chop full of falacy that I thought it necessary to defend myself, and I wish to make it very clear that my stance is merely personally defensive. I'm a prep by most measures. I get all As, well sometimes, I wear polo constantly, play sports, hang out in little groupies acting irrevocably chauvanist, and I like fast cars and cute girls. I'm also a member of this list, I've been a member of this list since the beginning and I'd like, for the record and the purpose of refuting the irresponsibly critical and biased letter you sent, to state my official reasoning for being a member of this elite group. I believe that the members of the romantic lifestyle devote themselves to creating a life well lived, that each and every one of us holds a certain driving ambition as the doctrine of our souls, and that this existance, regardless of what is beyond it, is everything that matters. (I think we all agree on most of that) This is the point where our philosophies differ. I base my life on 'coolness' - but what exactly is the definition of such a broad word? Coolness. Coolness. EVERYONE SAY IT WITH ME, COOLNESS. As I said before, I like fast cars and cute girls and I'm not the least bit ashamed by it. So I pay inflated prices for clothes and CDs from manufactured groups, does this make me less of a person? Does this incapicitate my ability to live, and to live for love? Does this makes me less of a man? I should think not. Not only do I find music of all types to be inspirational, I find a relaxing haven in the soothing sounds of everything from the sandman to pachelbel to mariah carey and back, and I wont apologize for that either. The base of the whole skater vs prep war is actually a blinded hypocritical battle fought between equally biased sides- neither willing to admit they're much more alike than they'd ever dreamed. We all come from a capitalist society, one built on egotism and hedonism, and for anyone to pretend that they are any better than the next is not only idiotic, it is more appropriately illogical. Although you may not have intentionally offended anyone, your flaming comments hinted at much deeper anti-everything sentiments, and I felt that even if this borders on flame, a full defense and redirection was necessary. James Brogdon http://www.geocities.com/transcenda/ dps8315@aol.com - --part1_df.1caeae8.25ebb75d_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 07:17:23 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: kara garbe Subject: Re: ET: D-Day i have to say that while james's post was beautifully articulated, it was also quite aggressive and i hope that whoever posted the original email (i deleted it quite quickly) doesn't feel too threatened/alienated etc etc. this *is* a place to share all opinions, whether you're voting for or against mtv and the music overrunning it these days. however i did find myself questioning the appropriateness of that particular email on this list simply because it was a chain letter... and anyway, trl doesn't count votes for videos that are over a year old. somebody already tried that game with new kids on the block. ~k ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "Let me die trying to tell you one word that might matter in a life of words that wound" -Cathryn Hankla ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 09:19:07 EST From: JonBoy911@aol.com Subject: Re: ET: D-Day I think we all need to remember that what makes this world so great is the integration of different opinions. And in order for this to stay true then we not only need to hear eachother, but respect eachother. I personally don't like about 90% of the music shown on TRL, but what I do is just not watch it. Then again I don't watch MTV at all because they(in my opinion) present a world where violence, sex, and drug use is glorified. I spend much of my personal time facing off against violence and ignorance in our world today, and I feel that the content of the videos on MTV exemplify all that I find wrong with the world. Therefore I wish not to support it. Namaste, Jon "Be the change that you wish to see."- Mohandas K. Gandhi ------------------------------ Date: 28 Feb 00 10:33:24 EST From: genben@usa.net Subject: Re: [ET: D-Day] > MTV sucks. You know it, I know it. Their show, Total Request Live, is > simply a > dumping ground for the kind of tooth-rotting pop crap that's pushing our > society > down the tubes. being the manager of an independent record store, i couldn't agree with this more. however, i have to agree with the fact that all music is relevant if it speaks to the listener in any way. the only reason devo was ever even slightly successful is that they poked fun at the establishment. would they have been of merit had their target been less obvious? probably not. without something to rebel against and parody, most groups like devo disappear. because of MTV, though, we have a lasting devo legacy with the 'whip it' video. this is a band that never would have become famous were it not for MTV, so maybe the irony of devo's presence being the requested one should be recognized. the image was the only thing they had going for them. it was social commentary through mass media image formation. so, maybe we should all give each other the benefit of the doubt and just give other people's music a chance. it might actually have a nice little message for you, and, better yet, it might make you bounce your head. take care all. ben > We are all devo. this, however, is true ;) ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 14:05:37 -0500 (EST) From: Seth Fulmer Subject: ET: Do what feels right(poem) Hey there :) After talking to someone last night and someone else today I was thinking about stuff...and I started daydreaming about how I used to(still do) love plopping myself down and watching the world go by, laughing at the sociological relationships, psychological paradigms, and physical phenomena being worked out in front of my eyes. One of the people I was talking to was saying how someone else was putting down their efforts with someone they liked. Another was putting herself down for something that was perfecting natural. Plus, I was thinking about in the movie Dogma how Matt Daemon's character(Loki) says to the nun in the beginning of the movie "Life is but a series of moments..Seize yours"(or something like that). Anyhow, here's the poem. If you don't want to receive them anymore, let me know. Comments, Flames, Suggestions, and Questions, are all welcome but not required. Take care of yourselves everyone and Have a Great Day!! :o) -Seth =========================================== Do what feels right by Seth D. Fulmer 2-28-00 A lover and her child walk by me on the bench Her husband all alone in the park She says she can not see me The court forbids her so Why not dear, God is forgivng. The child walks over She spits in my face She says "you're bad so good bye" I run into a McDonalds and order a Quarter Pounder The young woman behind the counter cries I ask her what's wrong She tells me it's nothing Just that her dead boyfriend liked those I then tell her to change it, my order right pronto to a BLT extra mayo and extra tomato As I sit eating it, a homeless man approaches and asks for some change for some coffee I give him my tray and I look the other way as I give him five $20s from my wallet That's just the way life is a series of quaint moments Just live your little life before it passes Don't give a damn what others do or say Just do what feels right to yourself The world will adapt and so will you but the world will be around far longer ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 20:29:28 -0500 (EST) From: courtney gordon Subject: ET: thanks yall Dear Angels, I didn't know that many people would actually reply. But anyway, thanks to Naomi, Tara, Kara, and Annie. (I'm probably forgetting some people, and I'm sorry and thanks to those I did.) Oh, Queen of Everything, thanks for your letter, it was really nice of you. I still don't want to talk about, it's pretty personal, kinda hard to explain without blowing it up, but thanks to everybody anyway; I appreciate it. Oh, and I'd like to share with everyone on the list that Chris, (sly, HWarrior) is one of the sweetest angels on this list, and I'd most likely be lost, half insane, and talking to myself if it weren't for him. thanks for everything y'all. Courtney ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 20:40:46 -0800 From: Nicole Subject: Re: ET: D-Day actually, they not only tried with new kids on the block, they succeeded last year in voting hanging tough number one on TRL, and on live tv, carson's fill in said, i dare you wiseasses to try and keep this one up. :) my two cents, nicole - ----- Original Message ----- From: "kara garbe" To: "eda" Sent: Monday, February 28, 2000 4:17 AM Subject: Re: ET: D-Day > i have to say that while james's post was beautifully articulated, > it was also quite aggressive and i hope that whoever posted the > original email (i deleted it quite quickly) doesn't feel too > threatened/alienated etc etc. this *is* a place to share all > opinions, whether you're voting for or against mtv and the music > overrunning it these days. however i did find myself questioning > the appropriateness of that particular email on this list simply > because it was a chain letter... > > and anyway, trl doesn't count votes for videos that are over a year > old. somebody already tried that game with new kids on the block. > > > ~k > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > "Let me die trying to tell you > one word that might matter > in a life of words that wound" > -Cathryn Hankla > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 20:11:29 PST From: "Sam Plant" Subject: ET: Shifting sands and changing tides. My friends, Eyes open to reveal truth. But what the heck is truth anyways? Hehe, just thought i'd get philosophical for a moment there. Ok, here are some words for those of you who read. Closed minds of Closed lines of Closed means of Communication Betrayed, I stumble at the dagger's bite. Helpless, I shamble through the blinding bright halls of life. Fearfully, I reach out beyond myself. Hopelessly, I fall. A poet in words A mind of thought Torrent of logic Devoid of perception A poet of words A mind in thought A pool of perception Devoid of logic He doesn't know yet He doesn't feel yet the pain, anger, and fear. He's not sure of the signs The distress signals given The warnings declared of the pain, anger, and fear. He doesn't yet know. There is power in thought From depths imeasurable Simple temptings of complex design There is power in thought And those with power are insane But what is insanity But the knowledge that you are different. Well, those are my words for tonight. Yah, i know, i must be slacking off if that is all I have to give you, but hey! It comes when it comes. Sleep well, and dream better Sam Indefatigable, yet not unconquerable. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V3 #72 *********************************