From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #66 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Wednesday, February 23 2000 Volume 03 : Number 066 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * eda-thoughts-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY * the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- ET: poem ["Claudia" ] ET: A note to an angel(poem) [Seth Fulmer ] Re: ET: do we really need titles?? ["Dr. RomeAntic" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 20:25:10 +0100 From: "Claudia" Subject: ET: poem We stand in front of the future fighting against a wind of memories that keeps pushing us away from our destination, coping with shy expectations and persistent delusions, trying to catch that little fire-fly that keeps twinkling in the dark. I look in the mirror and i see places i've never been. I try to stare at my reflection but your smile is blinding me and your eyes are the only place where i can still call my name and hear my voice answer my questions. I watch a tear fall from my eye like a red petal from a too young rose and i wonder where is the girl i used to know. She's not disappeared, she's in your heart smiling and watching the little fire-fly she's holding in her hand. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 16:24:24 -0500 (EST) From: Seth Fulmer Subject: ET: A note to an angel(poem) Hi peoples :) I sorta dedicate this to Mary Kay even though she doesn't play a guitar. I wrote it yesterday and then finished it today. *sigh* Well, I started writing the intro(that I'm writing now) this morning but so much has happened so I'm gonna quit while I'm ahead. Comments, Flames, Questions, and Suggestions are Welcome but not Required...Also if you don't want to receive my poetr, just let me know and I'll take you off :) Take cares and Have a Great Day!! :o) -Seth A note to an angel by Seth D. Fulmer 2-22-00 You strum your guitar so soft and gentle However do you do it? you make me so restless The birds outside they're singing a sweet song They say I should kiss you but what if they're wrong!? An angel sends help my way My heart skips a beat I'm able to keep calm now as I ask you out to eat But what if you say no my dear? I don't think I would live I love you too much now My heart would give in But what if you say yes Then life is sweet! But after all that effort Do I really need the cavities? You sang a song last night on stage, dedicated it to your sweetheart I got happy just thinking it was for me But then you said he's dead I'm sorry you think so but I won't ever die I'll stay with you forever and years more Even when you think your heart is broken I'll glue it back together and kiss the sores. My God, He's mean...the god not the person He sends me angels when I'm down Even when I want to remain in calm peace He heals me so I can go on. I love you little girl, why can't you hear me? I've told you in so many ways! With my audible sighs, and when I said, your name, "Hi", when I cried myself to sleep thinking about you ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 00:12:42 +0100 From: "Dr. RomeAntic" Subject: Re: ET: do we really need titles?? Hi yall! I accidently sent this only to Tara... and since this was an open discussion (at least a start) I should've sent it to the list as well... so here it is! shivergirl wrote: > just curious-spurred on by rebecca's request for > titles... > do you guys generally agree that we need em? > what is it for? > to put the piece in context, give the main point > in the first line, the sum of all the words--or > what? It is not wether we generally need them and that they are absolutely necessary, but I like titles and I always title my poems and in my mind they serve three important reasons: 1. They identify the song (first line - first line at least you know which it is + sometimes the first line is the first thought in writers head and thus it could make it the most important thought in their head at the time, so the poem likely got developed from there). I really have a whole lotta problems with Emily Dickinson's poems... those numbers are just so confusing and it's hard memorizing a number that goes with one! 2. The point of free interpretation is good, but it is not what a title does (describe the poem in short) at least not always - that is if you know what you're doing + if you're a reader, you should know better than to look into the title too much. IMO it is there to guide a reader into the vague area of the ideas and emotions that went through writer's mind and does not limit your interpretation at all... cause by itself it could mean godzillion things especially because words are used as metaphors and symbols and stuff, and with that alone it's hard to imagine that, unless a poem itslef is dead obvious, that a title could define it (in which case the title isn't needed at all), a poem becomes trivial because of the title! Take for instance one of Jewel's poems... like Compass (page 81) since it's my favorite... the word is actually mentioned in the poem, but if you can honestly say that it defines it to a point where you always end up around same interpretations then you see things I don't (which is not at all improbable - since I'm not amongst the most intelegent of beings). Here I would just like to mention how the most idiotic thing in school we had was interpretative essay on a poem that teacher picked... and than she graded them based on an interpretation of some fuck who happens to be a big shot know it all of literature and has published a few books. One time she marked a portion of my so-called essay and wrote beside "weak"! That hurt... so next time I really digged deep into it... and what did she do... she marked most of that and added "?????" beside... as if to say - where did you come up with that shit!! She didn't get it and it cost me big time - I got like D-. Can you imagine how pissed you'd be... or have any of you been there! 3. From my point of view (as a writer of poems myself) I use them (titles) to mark myself! I kinda want to know what was going through me. And a title sometimes reveals some secrets to me - that are buried in a poem and those moments when i wrote it. For example Perfect Match (it on my HP for those who care) - I think nobody could ever tell exactly what that "secret" point was... and again it's not there to be known - it is there for me... When I wrote it I secretly had an example couple in my mind and when they read it they absolutely loved the poem - but if they only knew... so I have a first hand example how titles don't necessarily give it away - even in the what seems to be the most trivial of poems! > i always think it's kind of funnee when i read old > ancient poh-etry such as sonnets and it's just the > first line repeated... > i know it helps to make them more well-known or > recognizable, I described the first line theory above... of course sometimes first line is picked because of either cluelessness of what a writer meant by it or just lack of better title... but I think above (1.) is what usually happens! > but sometimes i struggle so much and > it's like makin up a nickname for a person, > sometimes it just doesn't come, sometimes they > don't have one you can think of (at least if you > set your mind to it). However it is your choice to title a poem... I understand that it can be a problem sometimes... especially with short poems... however I'm yet to run into a barrier like that. What did happen is that I changed the title after a while... sometimes I just don't find the right words... I know what I want to put in the title... but am unable to find the right word(s)... so sometimes the better title comes to me in 138th reading... and when it happens I just say "YES finally!" > i think that's why i just christen sessions, as i > said recently to ben (i think!) which if you think about it is just fine... maybe you even could find some main atmosphere of a session... and simply title each session... but that's up to you... as long as you're pleased with your work... that what really matters in the end. What you yourself think of your poetry. > and i really don't like robbie williams' angels > song. Well I'm not crazy about his music... I like a few, but I really like that one... Oh that's right... I was wondering how come that came up now... it was recently released in the US... well it went across Europe in December 97! :)) - -- Have fun and stay beautiful Dr. RomeAntic, an angel with the worst stroke of luck and a flash of silver lining "So this is how it feels to get a little older and some would say wiser but we know what that means... maybe not" Train Catch Dr. RomeAntic's outdated cyber image @ http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/2009 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 17:19:34 CST From: "Maggie, the 17th Squid" Subject: ET: remember me? ... Oh holy Bob, it's been a long forever since I have written my good old EDAT list...I joined when I was a little 8th grader way back when y'all had just switched over to smoe.org... In the year or so I haven't been active on this list, I've made huge changes in my life....I've shaped my personality, I've opened my lines of creativity, I've matured a hundredfold, yet I'm still a child... Well, I'm just writing to say that I'm planning on dusting out the corners of my mind and spewing forth some poems meant for my family...and to thank you all for being there when I needed you and not minding when I departed... Maggie! ...I used to be the oxymoronic angel...*grin* Close cover before striking. KES. Kleenex. Purple Fizz. Orange Fuzz-Covered penguins. Jingle Bells. Do bi do bi doo.... Horny Purple Midget~ http://www.gurlpages.com/zines/lunatic55 - --------------------------------------- "People that judge other people suck, I think." ~Noodles, of The Offspring (Hear, hear!!) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V3 #66 *********************************