From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #14 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Wednesday, January 12 2000 Volume 03 : Number 014 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * eda-thoughts-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY * the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- ET: more on beauty [kara garbe ] Re: ET: 11:13EST waiting for everything to roll around [kara garbe ] ET: ROCK ON! [DPS8315@aol.com] ET: r and o m tho ug ht s ["* windex *" ] ET: a few poems [mandabear4@juno.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 02:11:26 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: kara garbe Subject: ET: more on beauty On Tue, 11 Jan 2000 18:46:49 EST RedWoodenBeads@aol.com wrote: > Do any of you honestly think anyone would listen to Britney > Spears if she was a huge fat german woman? Haha, nope, they wouldn't. I'm not sure that I agree here. I think this issue goes back to the question of what medium makes a band popular -- radio or videos? Sure, Britney is splashed all over magazines and tv now, but she wouldn't have been there in the first place if she hadn't already been noticed as a star. I really think that people find the music first, and physical beauty simply helps to draw attention to an artist. Or maybe I just want to give people a little more credit. By the way, what's wrong with German women? My grandparents are German!! :) ~Kara ............................................................................ ........ In all ease and comfort, without rushing You from place to place and without trying to be exhaustive, I will show You this and this, tell You what it means to me, and then put it all back among my other things. --Rilke ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 02:17:18 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: kara garbe Subject: Re: ET: 11:13EST waiting for everything to roll around On Tue, 11 Jan 2000 23:34:50 EST DPS8315@aol.com wrote: > no comments tho :( lol I honestly never get em...must be because i'm > perfect. or i suck. cant figure out which yet. I just want everyone to know that I REGULARLY send James comments on his poems! So no more complaints young man!!!! lol :) > we > write out of our hearts, and its more inspiring than a lot of poetry I read > on lists which are primarily composed of 30-somethings or people with > degrees... hmm... i thought this was interesting/questionable... i feel like i'm just raking up trouble tonight! but seriously... do you really feel that people who are 30-something or hold degrees write poetry less inspiring? i'm working on a degree right now and i sure hope you don't mean that all my inspiration is going to leave me and my writing is going to go downhill... or is it just because you're in high school, as are (i believe) the majority of the people who post on this list, so you can relate to people here more easily? most of the people on this list *are* young, yes? age survey, anyone? i'm 20... and yet i feel *old* on here...!! ~kara ............................................................................ ........ In all ease and comfort, without rushing You from place to place and without trying to be exhaustive, I will show You this and this, tell You what it means to me, and then put it all back among my other things. --Rilke ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 10:10:12 EST From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #12 In a message dated 1/11/00 8:40:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org writes: << I totally disagree with it...I have always believed(ok..not always but at least the past few years since I've started writing poetry) that art can not be bad. >> No, my friend, art can be REALLY bad. You ever hear of Backstreet Boys? ~*Joe Drink the Wine & Open your Eyes ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 10:17:28 EST From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #12 In a message dated 1/11/00 8:40:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org writes: << (1) What do you consider Art? Some people consider Art to be just paintings, but some also consider sculptures, origami, architecture, gardening, music, poetry, stories, cinema/theatre, photography, and a number of other things art. So to clarify things, what do you consider art? Art is anything created by man to enlighten his soul and bring wonder to his mind, inspiring him to look at the world around him. (2) Can art be bad? or is it only that someone doesn't like the artwork? Art can be really lame. But most of the time, when art is bad, it is usually not art. For example, rap music is really not art. It uses no musical elements and encourages no originality. Rap songs don't have melodies and therefore, every rap song is basically the same except for the lyrics. I know this might bug alot of people, but that's what I've come to observe. (3) If art can be bad, please define then what is GOOD artwork? If, just to name an example, you think Apocolyptica's "Enter Sandman" on 4 cellos is bad, how is a symphony by Bach or John Williams any better? or in another genre if you think Robert Frost is a bad poet, how is Shakespeare or Pablo Neruda(for those of you who don't know he writes, in my opinion the most passionate of love poetry! *sigh*) any better than him. >> For one thing, good artwork reflects life. It inspires you to flourish in your own world, points out problems and wrongs, etc. Art also gives you an insight into the artist. For the most part, though, good art is hard to define, because good art is all so unique. Bad art tends to all fall into the same ruts. ~*Joe Drink the Wine & Open your Eyes ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 11:11:53 -0500 (EST) From: Seth Fulmer Subject: ET: You think with your privates(poem) Hi there! Even though this is written from the female perspective, it applies to every person who shuts them off from a friend because they found a new love interest. I dedicate this to Amanda(the one from around here), and my friend Kellye's whatever Rob. Any questions, comments, flames, suggestions, etc. can be passed to me. If you don't wish to receive these poems anymore, let me know and I'll stop sending them to you. Take cares and Have a Great Day! :o) -Seth ======================================= You think with your privates by Seth D. Fulmer 1/12/99 You really don't think You just don't feel the love that I do inside of right here You think with your privates and not with your heart I think with my brain Here's to a fresh start! I really did love you You have truly no idea My life I'd have given for you without a second thought or fear But now you just abandon me for that piece of ass She's not that attractive if she don't look like trash Kick me on the street Douse me with flame Beat me until I bleed then leave me to die You do not care That's for damned sure You think with your privates which isn't thinking at all. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jan 00 17:07:35 EST From: genben@usa.net Subject: Re: [ET: more on beauty] > > Do any of you honestly think anyone would listen to Britney > > Spears if she was a huge fat german woman? Haha, nope, they wouldn't. i think i have to agree here, but i think kara makes a good point also. sometimes the music comes first. i remember this argument happening at least twice before on this list or the EDA list pertaining to jewel, whether her music or her *ahem* assets were what got people's attention. personally, i think it was originally the music. but you can't tell me that the record execs didn't see a goldmine only after they saw the face of an angelic 18 year old behind that beautiful voice. in britney spears' case, well, she was on star search and the mickey mouse club when she was younger, but, if she hadn't turned out the way she did, i doubt she would be where she is. sad, but true ben ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jan 00 18:06:17 EST From: genben@usa.net Subject: Re: [ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #12] > For the most part, though, good art is hard to > define, because good art is all so unique. Bad art tends to all fall into the > same ruts. i must say, joe, that this is intensely profound. i very much agree with you, although my limits to what art is are probably different than yours. ben ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 18:20:53 -0500 From: shivergirl Subject: ET: ~my own dangling conversation~ + my frustration skills are obsolete/i shout obscene/out loud/ would it be overly corny/of me to scream/from the roof/ it's beautiful/when we're together/when i'm with you/ i'm exactly who i want to be/with/like no other/ lesser self/just masquerading + yes, i know you're the chosen one yes, i know you were born for this alone yes, i know your mother made you jewish but what about the rest of us? + what did you do with that picture of me you took? i put it in my ever-near notebook what do you want with it? i want to keep you close what do you do with it? i look at it i see your navy blue aura your rosy glow of youth like i said i want to keep you close + four tigers on the corners of a paper-macher craft crumbling withering blood-red rose the centre i am gullible with fishes i am assertive with snow i am gentle underneath the raindrops you know your aggressive perspectives yielding diplomacy the wisdom of evolving youth the objective emerges suddenly like a life-ambition + i try not to forget your child-like ways it makes up for your willingness to be rigid and loyal to yourself so stop analyzing my mind making us dependent on each other's judgement once again just be concerned with your own self-achievement make some decisions and stick to them let sensitivity encompass other people's feelings defending your beliefs so stringently doesn't require a big stick you can be adventurous with a plant independent moisturizer of the desert + after all/the athletic isn't important/ be eager to soothe hurt feelings/you aren't warm/ enough/just forceful/leading pint-size soldiers/ through harsh language/dominance/instead of/ cheerful what will/it take/to make you/ nurturing/once and for all? + flatterable ball of a girl don't choke on the competitiveness between the exes the concern your appearance of self-reliance soft-spoken silence she threatens your naturally sympathetic view but you don't want to be understanding of worthiness or affection for past lovers anymore now do you? + blue snowflakes for my man and white lilies in the valleys of contact we become each other's famous players rocketing to the shamrock-land inside the original needfire riverdance of dusk god calls nighttime hit the switch ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 18:37:08 EST From: DPS8315@aol.com Subject: ET: ROCK ON! Well seeing as how I rock and all *props T* I sat around for about an hour and caught myself up on what everyone is writing.. SO if you posted anything as far back as Digest 8, that was the ninth, or hell, even as far back as the last digests of December, you can stop by here: All of James's Hard Work Critiquing things! I know I know, I rock..i've been told lol Hey Kara- it'll be ok babe. Naomi? Sam? How about Kevin..is that money crisis all over yet? lol glad everyone is posting. i am. !!!!!!!!!!! Welcome to Ambivalence The voice of the man who endows our poetry spoke to the face of hist-ory and from black and whit ecame our creative revolution, but when you mix black and white into that grey -ness where you used to stand, you get this engulfing sensation of twilight and then you magnificiantly understand the meaning of it all you dont ever stand there wondering, because the sublimity is radiating through you, filling all the emptiness you knew in oblivion, and when I look back into your eyes, for a second I think that maybe you do ~know it all. ______ I'd like to think that I wont need one.redeeming.moment, that instand lost in the past, I'd like to think that I'll have a million and elever memories -of a life well lived- to flash before me; an eternal tribute to the love I felt I'd like to know that I made such an impress ion that you are inclined to solemnly whisper good-bye to the memories that shall always resided somewhere else in your existence, and that until we all do perish, a legacy shall extend beyond us, that through our moments beheld in divinity divine, the world is changed. ______ *one last one, I promise* teeheehee ______ intentional motives intensified the way things normally are, by lusteur and life; I remember sitting there wondering exactly.how.to.kiss.you. - -seems like decades ago now, a virgin feeling extinguished in love, but every so often, I feel it catch wind, come crawling back through my fire proof walls and flame retardent soul, - -sometimes I think ou feel it to, when I cant control my nervous-ness ridden soul, you feel me shaking; sivering at your sweet touch, but with all my inhibitions befallen at your lips, sometimes I open my eyes and let them dart around the incunabulous landscape of your expression. I cannot begin to presume that I am worthy of its beauty, or that I shall ever be qualified to do it justice here, I must simply Proclaim and Profess my devotion to seeing it night after night, bestowed upon your face, reflecting in my eyes. ______ comments appreciated- we all want to be better. ______ James ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:55:54 MST From: "* windex *" Subject: ET: r and o m tho ug ht s Halloooo all I decided I haven't posted for quite sometime and it was about time to get my butt into gear ...hope this finds you all smiling TakE carE ~An Angel With Quilted Wings~ KeRRy *~**~* some day wishing hoping wanting to be with you near you in your arms connected in a way no one else understands feel you need you just hold me *~**~* can we switch places for a day * I will be the intelligent man * you will play the girl with a shakey heart * we can talk * you can cry as I do * just wanting to know * not to have * to know * you can go to bed * feeling over emotional * under appriciated * un-loved * and remember how it feels * to be weaker * than the people around you * in the morning when we wake * maybe * just maybe * you will care a little more *~**~* you dont bring me orange juice when Im sick but you smile at me and hold me when I need and put up with my insults and my over-emotional stunts you know my mind my heart my past my future you know me and you know I hate orange juice *~**~* ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 19:33:08 -0400 From: mandabear4@juno.com Subject: ET: a few poems here are few poems..the first one is a few months old...I just found it and it's not revised yet and the other one I wrote recently. comments and criticisms are totally accepted with open arms. ~Untitled~ It's kinda funny how we met. Too bad we didn't know it really would be mission impossible. We had our good times and out bad, Our laughter and our tears... Everyday was an adventure with you. One day I pulled up my wall and never took it down I drowned you in a sea of past relationships I didn't know how to tell you what was on my mind When you asked me to listen with my heart. And so now I sit here two years later Writing you this poem on a piece of paper towel Probably never forgiving myself For taking you swimming. ~Untitled~ I can't imagine why you ever bothered me, there's so much more to me you didn't see. You brought so much fun + laughter to my life, for once I was taken from my family strife. I wasn't too sure you'd like my conservative side, I wanted you to know I was the one in which you could confide. You said from the beginning you only wanted fun How couldn't I have know I was gonna run Straight into your arms- your embrace kissing and loving your baby sweet face. we looked in the mirror and held each other tights I wanted to squeeze you with all my might. the couple I saw in the reflection so true was one of two people completely new to how it felt to be really accepted instead of the usual feeling of being dejected. Maybe I was feeling something completely unreal but I think it was reality you made me feel. So thank-you, thank- you from the bottom of my heart for keeping me together instead of tearing me apart. ~Mandabear~ "The Forever Seeking Teen Angel" ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! 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