From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #12 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Tuesday, January 11 2000 Volume 03 : Number 012 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * eda-thoughts-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY * the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- ET: Help ["Analisa" ] Re: ET: Physical-ity of it all [kara garbe ] ET: introduction ["Platt, Caroline" ] ET: a little tiff I had [Seth Fulmer ] ET: Poem (World of Deception) [Chris ] Re: ET: a little tiff I had [zerocool@sunlink.net (Niki)] ET: need a listener [zerocool@sunlink.net (Niki)] ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #11 [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] ET: not very good but.. [zerocool@sunlink.net (Niki)] ET: Art ["* windex *" ] ET: 11:13EST waiting for everything to roll around [DPS8315@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 21:38:53 -0500 From: "Analisa" Subject: ET: Help Hello Angles I know I never post but I feel like I have absolutly no one else to tell, here is what has happened. There was this guy I was talking to who just one day decided I was ugly and not worth talking to. That really hurts, I just feel so nasty about me. Then I am going to a party with my friends and she decides to get all drunk and sleep with this other guy that I was talking to, is that not the meanest thing someone who is supposed to be your friend can do, shit I feel like I just got screwed from every direction this time by everyone. I was not like talking to both of these guys at once the one that told me I was ugly was a while back but everytime I look in the mirror that is all I think about and when I am in the bathroom mirror all I think about is my friend sleeping with ******* in the bathroom, I think I am just ganna stop useing the bathroom all together. I really dont know what to do with me I know that there are some improvements that I can make with my life and there is room for it but why should I always get hurt? I know this really makes no sence but I told someone and that makes me feel a little better. Bye for now and thanks for reading/listining. An-angel-isa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 00:31:23 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: kara garbe Subject: Re: ET: Physical-ity of it all James wrote: > I like being around beautiful > things, people included. Personally, I believe that it just makes the whole > word *happier*- or at least that's the affect it has on mine. [..some stuff deleted here..] > The point I'm trying to convey of course is that even though you may think > that her apperance - especially something as specific as her hair- is > unimportant, it is actually quiet relevent in the world we live in. Even if > that fact disgusts you, it doesn't disgust everyone else. :-) I understand what Dani was saying; I mean it's one thing to simply gush on about beauty, and it's another thing to appreciate true beauty. The problem is that in our society, physical beauty has been linked almost exclusively to sexuality... people don't often look at a human being and marvel at a person's beauty without sexual thoughts; or at least, this isn't done publicly. I think that Dani had a valid complaint--that people place *too much* emphasis not just on beauty, but on the superficial aspects of beauty such as hair.. and by extension, clothes, makeup, and all that. There's nothing wrong with beauty... like James is saying, being around beautiful people can be inspiring and just happy-making. But I'd be willing to bet that the beauty James sees in his girlfriend is not just her physical beauty, but an internal beauty that comes through in personality to highlight her superficial beauty. That's the beauty that Jewel has, too. And hey, if her looks make people give her music a second listen, what's wrong with that? No, she's not perfect, but she is a beautiful person, inside and out. ~Kara ............................................................................ ........ In all ease and comfort, without rushing You from place to place and without trying to be exhaustive, I will show You this and this, tell You what it means to me, and then put it all back among my other things. --Rilke ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 14:38:56 -0500 From: "Platt, Caroline" Subject: ET: introduction Hello - My name is Caroline and I am writing to introduce myself to the list. I am a friend of Ben's, and he recommended that I join you all. :) Some basic info: I am 25 years old, I live in New York, I work in the electronic music industry, and I love reading, thinking, talking, listening, playing pool, travelling and cuddling. Nice to "meet" you. :) Caroline ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 17:11:38 -0500 (EST) From: Seth Fulmer Subject: ET: a little tiff I had Hi everyone :) Ok, earlier today I was on IRC(that's a form of internet chat if you didn't know) with brothers from my fraternity and someone had the NERVE to say some music group "sucked". Ok, my definition of that word is similar to bad, flawed, inperfect, yadda yadda, you get the drift. Because the person didn't say they "thought" it was bad, I took it as a factual statement(versus an opinion). Now, taken as an opinion, I totally disagree with it...I have always believed(ok..not always but at least the past few years since I've started writing poetry) that art can not be bad. My belief is that art is a creation the artist and that art, having no master template, is neither perfect, nor imperfect but one of a kind. Humans, having a master template of God(Allah, Jehovah, true source, nature, whatever you want to label the creator of all beings)...whatever your religion is and whatever you call it, it's just a label, can never be as high a being as He/She/It is. Now, on chat, we started out sayin this group was bad and went from there to some religious debate about what created the universe and what created that and basically just irritated me to no end. The thought still lurks in my mind though about the art question and what people think about it. Here are my questions if you can answer them and let me know. (1) What do you consider Art? Some people consider Art to be just paintings, but some also consider sculptures, origami, architecture, gardening, music, poetry, stories, cinema/theatre, photography, and a number of other things art. So to clarify things, what do you consider art? (2) Can art be bad? or is it only that someone doesn't like the artwork? (3) If art can be bad, please define then what is GOOD artwork? If, just to name an example, you think Apocolyptica's "Enter Sandman" on 4 cellos is bad, how is a symphony by Bach or John Williams any better? or in another genre if you think Robert Frost is a bad poet, how is Shakespeare or Pablo Neruda(for those of you who don't know he writes, in my opinion the most passionate of love poetry! *sigh*) any better than him. It's all up to you if you want to answer these and do it on your own time..no rush..I'm just curious because you all know my views on this. Take cares and Have a Great Day!! :o) Seth D. Fulmer mailto:kaosking@voicenet.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 17:31:25 -0500 From: Chris Subject: ET: Poem (World of Deception) All comments welcome. A World of Deception Drawn into a world of deception, I stand, trying not to alter my perception. Can lies become the truth, I wonder? And will my lies tear my hope asunder. Is it worse to lie, or break your word? Saying nothing means the worst is inferred. Like an acrobat, I walk a tightrope cord. desperately trying to keep moving forward, but the past will not let me free, and it continues to drag me to misery. So I face each and every new day, Watching carefully what I say. Though these secrets have grown cold, someday, I believe all shall be told. - ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 18:34:46 -0500 From: zerocool@sunlink.net (Niki) Subject: Re: ET: a little tiff I had > >(1) What do you consider Art? I consider anything made by a human being to be some type of art...actually, if you think about it, everything can be an art... walking can be an art, singing can be an art, painting, writing, etc... Art isn't just the traditional "art"-paintings sculpture etc > >(2) Can art be bad? or is it only that someone doesn't like the artwork? In my opinion art in the traditional sense CAN be bad...I'm sure you heard of that guy who did a statue of the Virgin Mary in elephant dung... I mean, even if you aren't Catholic and worship the Virgin Mary, you should still have respect for something serious like another person's religion. I DON'T think work by little kids is BAD either, it may not be pretty or anything, but they're just learning... Art in the non-traditional sense can be bad too...like if you make an art out of killing people...because I DO think that is an art...Jeffrey Dahmer...you know...he thought it was Art..ever seen the movie Copy Cat? A lot of those guys make it an art to kill, which is disgusting and bad....I don't think that anyone but THEM likes the murder of another human being (3) If art can be bad, please define then what is GOOD artwork? Good artwork would be anything that isn't degrading to other people...i mean you have the classic good artists...Dali, Michaelangelo, Da Vinci, and then you have the other ones...who are good too, but in their own way...Pollock etc...same goes for music sculpting, the rest of the classic 'art' things.. and the non-classic 'art' JUST MY OPINION...INTERESTING QUESTIONS SETHERHEAD! FEEL FREE TO BASH MY WRITING OR COMPLIMENT IT AS YOU SEE FIT :) BYEBYE NIKI ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 18:45:37 -0500 From: zerocool@sunlink.net (Niki) Subject: ET: need a listener Hey all, Okay let me just reintroduce myself...there are a lot of new people on here so I might as well. I've been on the eda-thoughts list for over a year now...used to post a lot, but now I don't write as much... okay so anyway I'm Niki, 16 yrs old, from PA...umm I love art (Dalí is my favorite), I love poetry...everything from Bob Dylan to Shakespeare... but okay now I'll get into my story... everything has changed so much lately...I found a boyfriend, lost a bestfriend, former bestfriend found a boyfriend, had sex with him after 3 dates... other friends have changed...growing up so fast...it's sad...and I've changed too...grown up a lot...but not for the better...not for the worse...just grown up... the main thing is I'm scared about next year... I'm scared to be alone...i'm a junior this year...my boyfriend's a senior (we've been going out for 9 months)..he's probably going to West Virginia or Maryland.....WV is 6 hrs away...and Maryland 2...this year we've been together all the time...we have lunch together, he picks me up and drops me off everyday...we're together on weekends...i've sacrificed all my other friends for him...and sorry to say it's been worth it... I mean I'm still friends with the rest of them, but we don't hang out anymore like we used to... I'm just afraid that when he goes off to college he won't have time for me and we'll drift apart (which he swears will never happen) and then where will i be? still here, without my close friends, left to do what for a whole year? I really love him, and if we do breakup I don't know what I'll do...I mean doesn't that sound pathetic? But I am really in love with him...how do I know that? It's just a feeling...I just know I am... He wrote me this e-mail the other day...about how I'm such a big part of his life, how he loves me more than anything, how he wants to spend the rest of his life with me and die with me... I believe him...but people change you know? Everyone changes... I scared that he's going to change...scared that I'm going to change... I've already told him all this and all he says is that he loves me and he'll never leave me...but I'm not reassured...not because I don't believe him... just because he'll change...and maybe he'll stay with me, maybe he won't...I just wish that I could tell the future...so I'd know now...so if we do end up drifting apart I could end it now... spare me at least SOME pain... like before I get in any deeper than I already am... but see I'm already in way over my head...and I can handle that because it's LOVE i'm in...but throw a heartache on top of that and I'll be crushed... I dont' know...I just need someone to listen to me...besides him...because I know you won't say 'oh i love you i'll never leave you' *sad smile* but...there ya go.... Niki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 18:46:49 EST From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V3 #11 In a message dated 1/10/00 9:02:44 PM Pacific Standard Time, owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org writes: << I believe that it just makes the whole word *happier*- or at least that's the affect it has on mine. This analogy is somewhat inaccurate because all of the people on the EDA list are not directly affected by Jewel's apperance, and most of them would like the music even if she looked like me [i'm male]. >> It's very true. People who act like the visual aspect of things is petty and shallow are just jealous or something. Look at a beautiful rose or a white, fresh lily, and you will see how beauty is important to the human spirit. As far as music goes, I must say, that the image part of things has been to overwhelming. Do any of you honestly think anyone would listen to Britney Spears if she was a huge fat german woman? Haha, nope, they wouldn't. Sloan Wainright was one of the most amazing singers of the 90's. But she wasn't the most beautiful woman int he world, and so, never got her fair share. In the world of music, which should focus on inner, more spiritual things, that is just plain awful. j oe pages ~*Joe Drink the Wine & Open your Eyes ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 19:07:22 -0500 From: zerocool@sunlink.net (Niki) Subject: ET: not very good but.. Hello? Nice to meet you/how do you do? How's the weather you say? Well, same as where you are I suppose You're only 10 minutes away Yes I know it's a little akward now The movies Friday? oh sure Yes that should help break the ice Alright see you at 6:30 then Bye Bye-you can hang up now Yes, uh huh, bye now Hello? Oh hi! How are you? Oh yea? How IS baseball? Yea I read the article about you It was good. You're doing really well. Yea alright I'll stop by and see you at work Yes I promise okay byebye See ya then-alright Byebye Hello? Hey I'm kinda busy now Can I call you back? Yea I have your number, Alright bye Hey it's me. Done now.. sure-you can ask me anything REALLY?! aww...YES! yes i will of course I want to........... .............................. .............................. okay see you in the morning...byebye and now months later I'm in so deep way over my head but that's okay because it's love and i can handle it... Just don't put a heartache on top... You'll crush me... Yes I love you too... No don't say goodbye - ------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 19:35:30 MST From: "* windex *" Subject: ET: Art (1) What do you consider Art? Some people consider Art to be just paintings, but some also consider sculptures, origami, architecture, gardening, music, poetry, stories, cinema/theatre, photography, and a number of other things art. So to clarify things, what do you consider art? ****Art is anything you see that draws and emotional response...from people to paintings and sculptures the world is full of art (2) Can art be bad? or is it only that someone doesn't like the artwork? ****To each is his own correct? Art can draw a negative feeling from you are not excite you in a way that someone else likes it but that does not make it bad or wrong in any way...art is what you make of it. THAS ALL KERRY ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 23:34:50 EST From: DPS8315@aol.com Subject: ET: 11:13EST waiting for everything to roll around yeah so uhm I'm kinda waitin for my midnight EST digest of EDA~land to pop by but it aint happenin and i'm kinda uhm irritated. lol well that's alright tho, seriously. I had a whole digest to myself last night! i'm so special. no comments tho :( lol I honestly never get em...must be because i'm perfect. or i suck. cant figure out which yet. Yes I realize I'm rambling..I've got finals, dont wanna study, dont have to, feel guilty, in the past few days I think that I've actually force-developed a sort of inspired enlightenment in my poetry.. and I have a lot of you people to thank.. you've put up fairly well with my comments (and I think that's cause none of you read them since they're not in your mailbox) ...and with reading everyone's poetry and all, I felt inspired, which is honestly an attribute to the quality of poetry which exists here -- a lot of us are doing it because it's something we know, and I think that sometimes, our form reflects that, but I dont think that's what we're after anyway- we write out of our hearts, and its more inspiring than a lot of poetry I read on lists which are primarily composed of 30-somethings or people with degrees... With that I offer up the following in the name of creative revolution, and perhaps, for inspiration- _____ new age poet- bonafide illuminatis who went and sought his soul- now he's coming/gonna capture yours. how ready were you, forgotten in wasted life, you said yourself that the whole fucking album is like one meter skipping back and forth all.life.long, but here i come. I'm gonna save your soul, (and everything else), from grey-ness dreams and pictures that dont ask *why* this all in payment, for a few of the memories that belong to a life well lived- - -->wherever you'd like to take it.<-- ______ redefining planetary orbit how can you go along, expecting somewhere, to find some yield sign along I-73, if you're still back on the lost highways of someone else's life-- tell your parents to fuck off, - -you're cutting your own interstate-to-love- and the plan, is to run it.right.through.me. they'll never know it. Build an off ramp and giant overpass right off and over their pretty little country road, take your inter galactic freeway and map my soul with your tounge, come and dance with me. You can come hometoday from the University and tell them what you learned about Universal Gravitation and how it applies to you and me; dont forget to stop by afterwards, today's lesson is stellar orbital motion _____ The Player's Club One of those places where everyone needs a fake ID-entity cause half wayaround the first corners of your lives, you're all the same as each other then again from a romantic perspective, I dont know that all the identity in the world could save you from all your risible pursuits- you stand but youre standing for nothing; and when you catch yourselves rising out of whatever you've labeled ecstacy and flying hihg, it's gonna hurt when you find out it still wasn't a life well lived, just years wasted in socialized emptiness; I pity your souls. Shall you tonight, sit back, relax, let it _all_ go tonight- everything you've held about bullshit and everything else, set it free into the skies tonight this time it's the passion you wont let go sliding by. ______ ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V3 #12 *********************************