From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V2 #305 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Sunday, October 24 1999 Volume 02 : Number 305 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * eda-thoughts-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY * the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: eda-thoughts-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- ET: Gay parents... ["Jeremy Hodgins" ] Re: ET: Gay parents... [JonBoy911@aol.com] ET: Poem (Darkest Nightmare. [Christopher Overholser ] ET: RE: Gay parents... ["Kevin B. Pease" ] Re: ET: Gay parents... ["~* cymbaline *~" ] Re: ET: Gay parents... [JohnTracy4@aol.com] ET: wax frogs at half price [Naomi Vaughn ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 21:09:26 PDT From: "Jeremy Hodgins" Subject: ET: Gay parents... EDA's, I belong to a message board thingy about my favorite author, but we also have a section we can discuss polotics and stuff like that....this question recently came up: Should gay people be allowed to marry and adopt children? Please send replies to the list, and not to me so that everyone else can see........peace. Jeremy. **The Scorpion, Peace Loving, and Kind & Gentle Angel!** My ICQ number is 42872979. Please visit my homepage and sign my guestbook? http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Nebula/9655 Around Yahoo! chatrooms I'm know as scorpius_48 "There are pleanty of people who have prayed for peace, But if praying were enough it would have come to be." Jewel, Life Uncommon. ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 01:53:29 EDT From: JonBoy911@aol.com Subject: Re: ET: Gay parents... In a message dated 10/22/1999 9:11:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, scorpius_48@excite.com writes: << Should gay people be allowed to marry and adopt children? >> By saying that someone can't marry or adopt children based on sexual orientation is the exact same thing as saying that people of color can not marry or adopt children. Therefore, it's 100% wrong. We need to stop discriminating, and the biggest -ism that is in society today is heterosexism. Just look at advertisements, and you will see how heterosexist everything is. Spread the love, Jon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 03:55:56 -0400 From: Christopher Overholser Subject: ET: Poem (Darkest Nightmare. I wrote this a couple of minutes ago. All comments are welcome, but expect a delay in returns because I am going to be out of town of the weekend. Thanks! Darkest Nightmare Isabel looked so dead- wounds from leg to forehead. I thought I had met fear before, But now I know true terror ever more. worse than anything I could imagine- worse than my darkest sin- was that, impossible to erase, look upon her once angelic face- like the absence of light from the sun. I thank God it was only an illusion. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 16:35:27 +0200 From: "Claudia" Subject: ET: Poem To Steve *I talked to an Angel last night* I talked to an Angel last night. His voice was sweet and gentle and his kind words took my heart to Heaven. Oh! My soul was flying so high last night! While i was listening to that celestial lullaby all my fears slowly disappeared and i felt light and graceful like a new-born butterfly. I didn't need to talk because my angel already knew what i was feeling. His words were reflection of his immense beauty and kindness and my mind could not find any word worthy of such a perfect creature, of such a consummate soul. Only my heart could feel that strong connection that overcomes all limits of space and time: Love. P.S. I love you Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 14:59:13 -0400 From: "Kevin B. Pease" Subject: ET: RE: Gay parents... On Saturday, October 23, 1999 12:09 AM, Jeremy Hodgins [SMTP:scorpius_48@excite.com] wrote: > Should gay people be allowed to marry and adopt children? I don't see why not, for either of these situations. Marriage is simply a way of "formalizing" a committed relationship... if a gay couple is in love, and they're both committed to each other, why does it matter that they're both men or women? As for adoption, if they're capable of providing a stable, loving environment to raise the child in, I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to adopt. I guess the more interesting question in a time of supposed enlightenment & tolerance is, why is this still even an issue? I'm not going to call it an "-ism" of any type... but I would think that, in a society that prides itself on the high value it places on human dignity and equality, we could come up with more interesting things to concern ourselves with, and stop worrying about "who's doing who", and exactly how they're doing it. Kevin - ---------- Kevin Pease kbpease@concentric.net ICQ UIN: 3106063 AOL IM: kbpease ". . . no I don't need a miracle, but I could use a push in the right direction . . . " ---(The Refreshments, Interstate)--- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:31:09 GMT From: "~* cymbaline *~" Subject: Re: ET: Gay parents... I don't have much to say on the topic, but yes I think the gays should be allowed to marry and have/adopt children. Their sexual orientation has nothing to do w/ good parenting. I'm not sure, but I think same sex marriage is legal in only a few states, (correct me if I'm wrong). I'm so sick of the governments telling people what they can/can't do with their personal life, especially if its of no harm to other people. If two people love eachother, regardless of sexual orientation, I think they have every right to legally bind (finalize) that commitment. Peace, kelly ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:05:10 EDT From: JohnTracy4@aol.com Subject: Re: ET: Gay parents... Personally, I have nothing wrong with gays. And marriage is just another step, however, adopting a child is completely different. I believe it can affect the child's psychological growth and stimulation. We have not yet discovered what brings about fear and hatred in today's disgruntled teens. But it has been proven that the lack of a father to children can spawn a larger percentage of violent teens. I think that with two parents of the same sex, this could put the child in to jeopardy as to what he or she thinks in terms of morals. And earlier, in a post when Jon said "...and the biggest - -ism that is in society today is heterosexism. Just look at advertisements, and you will see how heterosexist everything is." Heterosexist? Lets just put it this way. It is still seen as homosexuality as being wrong to many many people. I personally have a couple of gay or bisexual friends and I love them to death. However, when you say this, it makes heterosexuals seem bad. This is not the case. The advertisements are simply contributing to the majority of the population, not trying to call a revolution! :-) I have rambled on and on... I must go now. John -- The Forever Questioning Angel ICQ - 49575873 AIM - JohnTracy4 ------------------------------ Date: 23 Oct 99 21:18:45 CDT From: Naomi Vaughn Subject: ET: wax frogs at half price Bonsieur angels... just me rambling again... my little forewarning : lastnight i got around 4 hours sleep, and today i had the garage sale fundrasier for music theatre from 7-3... so, i am quite dead at the moment. plus things are just the shits on the homefront, but, hey, i don't wanna sing no sad songs tonight... it occured to me someone might possibly care to know the results of my auditions i mentioned last time. and if not, oh well. i got my part. i'm minnie fay. pretty cool. i'm excited and nervous all in the same. but it'll be okay. i'm currently on here, wishing more and more that i was upstairs in bed, but, i need to get through this homework. i'm doing an informative speech on jewel (trying to fill some holes in the bios i have if anyone can help-small ones, i.e. hawaii), and i need help with my french (kev where are you when i need you? ;)... so if there's also someone who can refresh my bleary mind as to the meaning of 'est-ce' and 'que'... it would be so very much appreciated... okay, at this point i kinda have to stop unless i want to talk about crap, confusion, conflict... yeah. goodnight angels. much love... ever, me and a few oh so short 'poems' for you all... i actually wrote two poems, for my gram, but, i don't have the will to run upstairs... i cling to my little girl belief that if i just close my eyes the bad things will go away - -- you think that if you say it loud enough enough times it will finally be heard but i'm telling you now i hear ya - -- in a single glittering glistening moment i saw that spark of my fantasies touch your outline as you smiled at me from across the gym you crossed the distance and said hello and i smiled, actually believing it. - -- my kitten caught a spool of thread he boasts it proudly now walking here to there sporting his blue unwraveling victory clutched tight between his teeth "I just closed my eyes/ my whole world disappeared..." ~Everclear ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V2 #305 **********************************