From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V2 #290 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Monday, October 11 1999 Volume 02 : Number 290 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * eda-thoughts-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY * the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: eda-thoughts-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- ET: netaid, you can help! [Big Sexy Angel ] ET: ET Poem (I Don't Have the Right to be Unhappy) [Christopher Overholse] ET: 32 Flavors ["C. C. & S." ] [none] ["Jeremy Hodgins" ] ET: Steve's truth [Mandabear Four ] ET: Steve's truth [Mandabear Four ] ET: for steve c. and all others in that state ["Robert A. Peate" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 00:43:12 -0500 From: Big Sexy Angel Subject: ET: netaid, you can help! Drop the Debt Jubilee 2000 wants to make the world's largest petition by collecting 22 million signatures in favour of debt cancellation for the poorest countries 17 million signatures already collected You can sign by email Just send a message to signature@j2000petition.org with your name, city and country in the main subject box Forward this email to all your friends and email buddies The full text of the petition you are signing up to is: We, the undersigned, believe that the start of the new millennium should be a time to give hope to the impoverished people of the world. To make a fresh start, we believe it right to put behind us the mistakes made by both lenders and borrowers, and to cancel the backlog of unpayable debts of the most impoverished nations. We call upon the leaders of lending nations to write off these debts by the year 2000. We ask them to take effective steps to prevent such high levels of debt building up again. We look for a new beginning to celebrate the millennium. You can find out more about debt at http://www.jubilee2000uk.org "Scott S." -Big Sexy Angel "Without fear, there would be no accomplishment, no testing of our limitation, no fun!" P.E.A.C.C.EŠ President/Founder and Proud EDA! http://homestead.com/rocksolid ICQ#9685289 ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 01:54:15 -0400 From: Christopher Overholser Subject: ET: ET Poem (I Don't Have the Right to be Unhappy) January 26, 1999 Any comments for better or worse are more than welcome. "Brevity is the soul of wit", as Shakespeare said, so worry not about the length! Do not hesitate, I would really appreciate any opinion. Thanks! I don't have the right to be unhappy I don't have the right to be unhappy! Especially with at the people living in misery. I am far from rich, yet also from poor and I have friends I simply adore. As I live, change, and grow I earned the respect of nearly everyone I know. I've done things that were once dreams From my heart my poetry streams. I'm the president of my class, the anchor a storm. I am finally connected not lost and forlorn. I don't have the right to be unhappy, yet I am forever a child of misery. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 21:44:23 -0700 From: "C. C. & S." Subject: ET: 32 Flavors It's that time again ya'll! Yupyup, there's a new burst of color to be found spinning from the world of Roya and Sam. Sam: You mean Blue Phoenix. Roya: Right. Blue Phoenix: You mean Neon Skye Neon Skye: Ok, now that we've established our new identities... BP: Time for you to hold us spellbound with your raptures and long tinkling rambles, and it doesn't matter what about, we're "32 Flavors (and then some)"...[title obviously courtesy of the goddess Ani] NS: "Squint your eyes and look closer, I'm not between you and your ambition" we just want your stuff. Words. Thoughts. Necklaces. Collages. Splatters baby! Outbursts, expressions, sunsets, la-te-dah's, lattes, postcards from life in La La Land... BP: Crystalize and explode like starfire and dancing suns and..."someday you might find, you're starving and eating all the words you've said." So send them to us instead. Ooh! I'm rhyming! I should add - we quote our namesake, 32 Flavors by the pixie-paperdoll-cartoon woman Ani DiFranco. And before I hand this back to Neon Skye, I'd like to add - we dedicate our first issue to all you firey angelic-devils, and our inspirations. NS: "I would like to state for the record" that we really have no structure in mind - BP: No set of rules to leave you blind NS: Our funky, wild, blurry, water fall idea is to have YOU send US _anything_ (yeah, _anything_) and WE publish them in a 'zine-type something-or-other. WQe'd really like this to get off the ground and FLLLLYYYYY, so what we need is (once again) YOU to send US _everything_. BP: That babe talks forever - but then, so do I. We'll tell you what's in the issue after it's rollin', and you can get it, get it? Okay it's time to skee-daddle. Get those skateboards rockin' and your mind runnin' and we'll see ya in the next time zone! NS: What she said. See you lay-tah in 32 Flavors (and then some)... (now for the prose: send anything you want included in 32 Flavors (and then some) to Roya at RJonthego@aol.com or Sam at Moonsong@ix.netcom.com) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 03:10:46 PDT From: "Jeremy Hodgins" Subject: [none] Just some deep and meanigfuls for you to ponder and muse over! THOUGHTS FOR THE DAY >> >If you throw a cat out a car window, does it become kitty litter? >> >If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? >> >What do chickens think we taste like? >> >What do people in China call their good plates? >> >What do you call a male ladybug? >> >What hair color do they put on the driver's license of a bald man? >> >When dog food is new and improved tasting, who tests it? >> >When they first invented the clock, how did they know what time it was >> >to set it to? >> >Why do they sterilize the needle for lethal injections? >> >Why doesn't glue stick to the inside of the bottle? >> >Why is it called tourist season if we can't shoot at them? >>Why do you park in a drive way and drive in a parkway? >>Why do underwear come in a pack of six if there are seven days in the >>week? >>Why do we wait til a pig is dead to cure it? >>Whose cruel idea was if for the word lisp to have an s in it? >>Since light travels faster than sound, is that why some people appear >>bright >>until you hear them speak? >>How come abbreviated is such a long word? >>If it's zero degrees outside today and it's supposed to be twice as cold >>tommorrow, how cold is it going to be? >>why are they called apartments when they're all stuck together? >>who is general failure, and why is he reading my disk? >>The light went out, but where to? >>If the universe is everything, and scientists say the universe is >>expanding, >>what is it expanding into? >>If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to see it, do the other >>trees laugh at it? >>Do fish get cramps after eating? >>If vegitarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat? >>How come superman could stop bullets with his chest, but always ducked >>when >>someone threw a gun at him/ >>If "con" is the opposite of "pro", what is the opposite of progress? >>How much deeper would the ocean be if sponges didn't grow in it? >>Why doesn't tarzan have a beard? >>Do married people live longer than single people, or does it just seem >>longer? >> >>Add the ones U know and send it back to someone new! Jeremy. **The Scorpion, Peace Loving, and Kind & Gentle Angel!** My ICQ number is 42872979. Please visit my homepage and sign my guestbook? http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Nebula/9655 Around Yahoo! chatrooms I'm know as scorpius_48 "There are pleanty of people who have prayed for peace, But if praying were enough it would have come to be." Jewel, Life Uncommon. ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 09:50:43 -0400 From: Mandabear Four Subject: ET: Steve's truth Hey Steve, It's funny you should say that we are all puppets and we have a master. It's true, we do have a master and other's know Him as God. To answer your question of why you've spent your life searching for something you can't find? myabe you're not supposed to find it or you're not searching hard enough. If you truly want something and it's in the will of God, then all you have to do is pray and keep praying, and having faith that He will guide you to what you desire. There's a line from a Green Day song that goes "You can't go forcing something if it's just not right." You say there is no pain after death...that's where you're wrong. In the Bible it is said that Hell is a fiery pit and it is the furthest place from God. So that means, if you're not with God, you will still be in pain and live in darkness. I don't know how you can make the generalization that everyone turns to sex or drugs or alcohol to ease their pain. I certainly don't. I have engaged in all of those activities but they weren't to ease pain. You say that your parents will leave you one day and you're right...Death is inevitable...it's not an evil thing. God doesn't take people out of our lives to be cruel. I believe that everyone has a purpose in life. Every person we meet is all connected to our lives. A simple converstation with a stranger can change your world view or it could change theirs. God uses His people to spread His word and His love. We all have a reason for being here and I don't think it's up to us to figure out what that reason is. I think that you have to live your life the way you want and as long as you have Jesus in your heart and God in your life, you will be okay. God doesn't do bad things to people. People do bad things to people and those people have fallen under Satan's spell. It's not God who causes pain and suffering...it's His enemy, Satan. God loves you and wants to have a relationship with you. He wants to help you and as long as you want help, He will be there... ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:00:22 -0400 From: Mandabear Four Subject: ET: Steve's truth Sorry, forgot to sign that last email. ~Mandabear~ The Forever Seeking Teen Angel ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 11:05:13 -0400 From: "Robert A. Peate" Subject: ET: for steve c. and all others in that state ending one's life is not the only way to beat puppet-masters; there is fate, but we can influence it, for better or worse. there is not one master--we are all masters. for what have you been searching? why will never you find it? i don't always have the answers, but i know that i like staying alive to look for them! :) you are in a bad mental place, but i'll tell you one thing: if you kill yourself, you'll be sitting on the sideline with all the other spirits, watching the game and wishing you could return to it. you'll just have less power. you'll still feel trapped. there will be more pain, and you will feel it. all of us that have emotions must make our place wherever we are, and good people must stick together to help each other. you were not born into this world with "nothing". you were born into this world with your mind, your heart, and your soul. you will leave this world with those and more: the love of your friends and family. here's a reason not to kill yourself that makes sense: don't kill yourself because you'll regret it. this doesn't mean you'll "go to hell"; it just means you'll see it's not the solution. you'll only have more problems. you can do far more good here as a living person than as a spirit. either everything does*n't* happen for a reason, or everything happens for a reason, and sometimes that reason is a bad reason. (not all reasons are good ones.) some things happen for bad reasons. you killing yourself would be an example of that, steven. the reason with substance to live is you! you are far too important to this world, and, i believe, to yourself. it's your life and death, but it really seems to me you have reason to stay here. and really, only you know what that is, steve. death is not the only way out of this relationship we have with everyone in this cruel world. you could become a hermit, such as the unabomber. :) peace will come. i'm glad you wrote these messages to the list. there are those who say depression is a mental illness. i'm not one of them, because i feel there's a lot for healthy people to feel depressed about. that is why i consider your feelings natural and normal, having had them myself off and on over the years. but i can tell you that i still feel life is worth living, and love proves it. and don't even think you won't be welcome on this list any longer if you choose to live-- you'll be a lot more welcome alive than dead. :) everyone will want to hear how you are, i am certain. i know i will, and i'm sure my girlfriend (also a list-member) will too. stay awhile, both on the list and among the living, as painful as it may sometimes be. you have friends--"don't give up," as peter gabriel says. in fact, let me quote that song to you: "don't give up", by p. gabriel (on the album *so*, 1986) in this proud land we grew up strong we were wanted all along i was taught to fight, taught to win i never thought i could fall no light left or so it seems i am a man whose dreams have all deserted i've changed my face, i've changed my name but no one wants you when you lose (don't give up 'cause you have friends don't give up you're not beaten yet don't give up i know you can make it good) though i saw it all around never thought that i could be affected thought that we'd be the last to go it is so strange the way things turn drove the night toward my home the place that i was born, on the lakeside as daylight broke, i saw the earth the trees had burned down to the ground (don't give up you still have us don't give up we don't need much of anything don't give up 'cause somewhere there's a place where we belong rest your head you worry too much it's going to be all right when times get rough you can fall back on us don't give up please don't give up) got to walk out of here i can't take any more going to stand on that bridge keep my eyes down below whatever may come and whatever may go that river's flowing that river's flowing moved on to another town tried hard to settle down for every job, so many men so many men no one needs (don't give up 'cause you have friends don't give up you're not the only one don't give up no reason to be ashamed don't give up you still have us don't give up now we're proud of who you are don't give up you know it's never been easy don't give up 'cause i believe there's a place there's a place where we belong) there is, i assure you. i have found my place, after years of struggle, and you will too. robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:44:51 GMT From: "~* cymbaline *~" Subject: Re: ET: the truth Let me tell a story. Staring when I was 14, I went into a deep depression. I didn't see any reason to live. After only a few months of the depression, I tried to kill myself for the first time. 2 days later, I tried again. My third attempt was 2 months later, the day after my 15th birthday. I never died. I tried and tried... almost twice a month. It was that bad. But I kept getting 2nd chances at life. On November 4th, 1995, I tried again. I took every pill in my stash, and I was put in the hospital. I realized that suicide is only a stupid way out of a situation you're in. Once you kill yourself, you can't get your life back. While I was in the hospital, my parents gave me a letter. Not from them, but it was given to them by a pastor whom they only knew from phone conversations. They told him I tried to kill myself, and later that night, he awoke, and started writing a letter. God was speaking words to him, to get to me. Unfortunately I don't have the letter anymore, but I remember some of what He said in the letter. Some of you might not believe me, but this is true: "Listen to my Word, for it is true. Men may lie, but I do not lie, for I am the Truth. I have had my eye on you, and what I see in you, is not what others see in you, or how even you see yourself. For my eyes are not clouded over with poor judgement.." the letter was 3 pages, but it went on to say "You are not alone. I am here. I was always here with you, but you did not know it. All those voices you heard, I was talking to you, but you did not listen. Open your ears and listen to my Word." "there will be times that you ask yourself 'why?' and you will feel you can't go on. But pray to me, and I will help you fine your way." The letter was totally real. Everytime I read it, tears came to my eyes, and I got chills. I knew it was God speaking to me. Someone once told me, that before things get better, they'll seem to get worse and worse. And thats true. I'll never be free from depression. Sure I think of ending it all, too. But I'd never do it again... I got want to put anyone through all that pain. If you pray, and read His word. It can help you. Having someone to talk to really helps alot too. Reember, there is an end to the dark tunnel... it won't be dark forever, soon you'll see the light of day once again. Please don't kill yourself, alot of people care, but you just don't know it yet. keep smiling, it'll get better. Kelly ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V2 #290 **********************************