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Today's Subjects: ----------------- ET: Fight For your Rights [Fervent Spirit ] ET: MrBB-PLENTY of HGH Benefit Tickets Still Available for EDAs [ABershaw] ET: Faith in hard times [Mandabear four ] [none] [Mandabear four ] ET: Serbian Prayer List [Mandabear four ] ET: longish on the shootings controversy [Mandabear four ] ET: Outraged angel about news man [Mandabear four ] ET: OPINION on Colorado - If you don't want to read, delete NOW [Seth Ful] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 11:08:08 -0500 From: Fervent Spirit Subject: ET: Fight For your Rights Hey Angels, Please watch MTV today at 4:30/3:30 CST. MTV is showing their special on violence and what you can do! Thank you! "Scott S." -Big Sexy Angel "WE ARE ALL GOD'S CHILDREN! BUT WHY DO WE KILL EACH OTHER?" P.E.A.C.C.EŠ President/Founder and Proud EDA! http://homestead.com/rocksolid ICQ#9685289 ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:56:12 EDT From: ABershaw@aol.com Subject: ET: MrBB-PLENTY of HGH Benefit Tickets Still Available for EDAs Hi all, A bunch of you got through last night to get tickets for Jewel's HGH Benefit, but believe it or not, there's still plenty of tickets left! Extra Vogue tickets have been added to the batch available, so anyone here who wants to go can still be fairly certain of getting tickets. Much to my amazement, only a few dozen EDAs called for tickets! Man, more EDAs than that emailed me begging for information two weeks ago! Where are YOU? LOL! So go for it, if you thought they were all gone. There's plenty of tickets left! Here's the instructions again for your convenience (below). This concert is the first time ever that the entire J-Team will be in the same place at the same time. :-) It's gonna be a real good night. I look forward to seeing you, MrBB This is about the HGH Benefit Sunday night at the Henry Fonda Theater in Los Angeles. This is an intimate private performance with proceeds funding HGH projects. I have good news for you on this! Here's what's going on. This HGH benefit is being put on by Vogue Magazine, so we had little control on who was invited & making tickets available to you. However approximately 100 tickets were made available to Jewel. Jewel decided that she would like to make all these tickets available to EDAs that would like to attend. Consider this post your personal invitation. :-) Here's what to do. Call this special ticketmaster #: 213-480-3232. Ask to purchase tickets to the VOGUE HGH BENEFIT in LA on Sunday night. DO NOT ask for the Jewel Concert or they will not know what youre talking about. There is no listing for this other than the VOGUE HGH BENEFIT. (This is also in an effort to avert scalping & allow YOU to get tickets.) If the line is busy, keep trying. All tickets to this intimate HGH benefit are $60 plus service charges. That's it. Bibi, West & film crew will be proffessionally filming this concert & I'll be audio recording it for use in Jewel's forthcoming home video project. It's gonna be a special night. Join us there! :-) MrBB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:08:42 -0400 From: Mandabear four Subject: ET: Faith in hard times this is from my pastor at my church. It gives a different outlook on stuff. I apologize to those in advance if you are offended by the religious nature of the message but it's important to me. "Faith sometimes begins by stuffing your ears with cotton." When Jesus says, "Just believe..." He is imploring, "Don't limit your possibilities to the visible. Don't listen only for the audible. Don't be controlled by the logical. Believing there is more to life than meets the eye!" "Trust Me," Jesus is pleading. "Don't be afraid; just trust." A father in the Bahamas cried out the same plea to his young son who was trapped in a burning house. The two-story structure was engulfed in flames, and the family- the father, mother, and several children- was on its way out when the smallest boy became terrified and ran back upstairs. His father, outside, shouted to him: "Jump, son, jump! I'll catch you." The boy cried: "But Daddy, I can't see you." "I know," his father called, "but I can see you." A similar example of faith was found on the wall of a concentration camp. On it a prisoner had carved the words: I believe in the sun, even though it doesn't shine, I believe in love, even when it isn't shown, I believe in God, even when He doesn't speak. I try to imagine the person who etched those words. I try to envision his skeletal hand gripping the broken glass or stone that cut into the wall. I try to imagine his eyes squinting through the darkness as he carved each letter. What hand could have cut such a conviction? What eyes could have seen good in such horror? There is only one answer: Eyes that chose to see the unseen. As Paul wrote: "We set out eyes not on what we see but on what we cannot see. What we see will last only a short time, but what we cannot see will last forever" (2 Cor. 4:18). Either to live by the facts or to see by faith. When tragedy strikes we, too, are left to choose what we see. We can see either the hurt or the Healer. The choice is ours. - - From "He Still Moves Stones" by Max Lucado <3 always ~Mandabear~ ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:24:30 -0400 From: Mandabear four Subject: [none] This is in response to John's comments about choices and how life is a beautiful thing. I totally agree with you. This summer, I went to a Christian camp that changed my life in more ways than one. We did a musical called I.M.A.G.E. It's a musical about who we really are and it teaches all about God and how He created us in His Image. I'm sorry again for the religious content but I've been taking a leap of faith since I've been baptised and I feel this is what needs to be said to everyone. We, as Christians, don't know who God has chosen to understand His word so we must witness to everyone. The following are some excerpts from the musical: "Whenever I don't feel so good about myself, whenever I'm not sure why I was ever created, when I don't feel loved by anyone...I can stop by The Image Outlet and be reminded of who I really am." "The letters in the word IMAGE reminds me that "I" have a purpose because I'm "M"ade in God's image "A"ccepted by Him, in spite of who I am or what I've done. "G"iven new life through Christ's sacrifice. "E"ternally untied with Him" The following is a song from the musical that brings a tear to my eye everytime I hear it or sing it. "Psalm 139" You search me, you know me, You see my every move. There's nothing I could ever do to hide myself from You. You know my thoughts, my fears and hurts, my weaknesses and pride. You know what I am going through, and how I feel inside. But even though you know, You will always love me. Even though you know, you'll never let me go. I don't deserve Your love, but you give it freely. You will always love me, even though you know. (The verse is then repeated like 4x and it's a really pretty song) I think this song is the ultimate song to anyone who ever feels like they aren't being heard or they don't feel very loved. You have to remember that God loves you and He always will. There is no better time to come to God than now...the present day...not because of the killings and all but because you want to feel loved and feel like someone is on your side. If you want to talk to me more about this I'll be happy to listen and I won't judge. =) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:27:47 -0400 From: Mandabear four Subject: ET: Serbian Prayer List This is a Prayer Chain for the U.S. Soldiers held captive in Serbia. If you get it back just add your name again and let it go... YOU DO NOT NEED TO ADD YOUR WHOLE LAST NAME IF YOU DON'T WANT TO! DO NOT FORWARD -- Copy and paste to a new email, sign your name, then send to your friends. Let's pray for their safe return. even if you dont pray, please just hope. Our Soldiers Staff Sgt. Andrew A Ramirez, 24 of Los Angeles Staff Sgt. Christopher J Stone, 25 of Stone Creek,Mich Spec. Steven M. Gonzales, 21 of Huntsville,Texas Jeremiah Wheeler, Norfolk, Virginia People Praying Brad Wheeler, St Augustine, Florida Barbara Wheeler, St Augustine, Florida Bambie Kunz, St Augustine, Florida Kay Neff, St Augustine, Florida Wayne Neff, St Augustine, Florida Marcia Garrett, Brimfield, Indiana Jack Garrett, Brimfield, Indiana Bob Prinselaar, Fresno, California John Adams, York, Pa. Cheryl Boswell, Denham Springs, Louisiana Gordon Boswell, Denham Springs, Louisiana Brett Boswell, Baton Rouge, Louisiana Fara Allen, Baton Rouge, Louisiana Vic Vilionis, Montreal, Canada Joan Samuelson, Houston, TX Beverly Haire, Punta Gorda, Fl. Sheba Williamson, Oceanside, Ca. Marge Szelmeczka, SSgt/ret AF, O'Fallon, IL Patricia Dwigans, opmale (make a life enriched for Military) Greenwood, In Corinne Rakin, Northport, NY Tracy Ritson, Orlando, FL chris rhymes with roberta, hightstown JOISE Chris Rhoades, freehold boro NJ <3 Marielle Larkin , Monmouth County NJ <3 Kara Clarke, Sea Girt, NJ Tricia Killeen, Wall,NJ Jeanne-Marie Fagan, Rahway,NJ Helen Jeschow, Wayne, NJ Liz DeKnight, Hawthorne, NJ Sarah Germano, Hawthorne NJ Ryan DeFeo, Hawthorne NJ Jackie Boyd, Hawthorne NJ Christine Sayegh, Wayne NJ Melissa Tremper, Wyckoff, NJ Jennifer Sayegh, Wayne, NJ Neal Carlien, Wyckoff, NJ Lance David, Wyckoff, NJ Becky Alimena, Hawthorne, NJ Kimberly Heller, NJ Lauren Michelle, Saddle Brook,NJ Jessica Lynn, Saddle Brook, NJ Carrie, Saddle Brook, NJ Ben, Chesapeake, VA Alisha Holdbrook, WA Kristin Maynard, CT Mandy Guillemette, CT. ________________________________________________________________ Get secure free e-mail that you don't need Web access to use from Juno, the world's second largest online service. Download your free software at http://www.juno.com/getit.b.html. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:07:17 -0400 From: Mandabear four Subject: ET: longish on the shootings controversy I totally agree with everyone who has written these past couple of days. I mean, I can see the logic in everyone's opinion and I thank those who responded to my poem for their contribution to the subject. There isn't only one person or one group of persons to blame. Everything in the life of these two teens who decided to open fire had a role in their decision. While it's "easier" to blame the obvious sometimes the answer isn't so obvious. Do you know what one of the really sad parts about the shooting is? These kids and the other members of "the trenchcoat mafia" used to play war games in the halls. They would bring in fake toy guns and point them at people and say they were going to die. That is sick. NO ONE took action against that. Yet, if you say in an airport that you are going to bomb or have a bomb with you, you are automatically arrested if an officer hears you or anyone else does. I bet the administrators and teachers and kids are kicking themselves now because these teens actually did kill people and they weren't joking. While this may seem a bit harsh it's the truth and I think people are afraid of the truth...with good reason sometimes. I mean, you can't take everything everyone says seriously but if the toy guns and comments weren't red flags to trouble...I don't know what is. I sympathize with Rebecca and Kevin when they say that they aren't part of the "in" crowd at school. Neither am I. I have many friends but they aren't exactly popular mainly cuz they are band ppl (and even though our band is 120+ ppl it's still not considered cool) and they don't have gobs of money and they don't care about fashion and other materialistic things like that...not that caring about such things is bad...I think you all know what I'm trying to say. Me and my friends fit together cuz we don't fit anywhere else. We love one another though and our friendships are really tight. It's an amazing feeling. Kevin, you ask at what point does a person become responsible for their actions? Always...no matter what. I think you have control over the things you say and do. Maybe not everything you do but definitley everything you say. There's a saying that goes, "Your past may influence who you are but you are responsible for who you become" I think this quote is very true. Everyone can change who they become. Even if it's only in their hearts. I'll let you all go now...look for another email from me cuz it's coming =) ________________________________________________________________ Get secure free e-mail that you don't need Web access to use from Juno, the world's second largest online service. Download your free software at http://www.juno.com/getit.b.html. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:57:47 -0400 From: Courtney M Gordon Subject: ET: wow! Dear Angels (I sent this to both the EDA and the EDA thoughts list, so if you have two, that's why) I've gotten an overwhelming response with condolences and support from a lot of you thoughtful angels out there. Thank you *very* much! I just posted to say a huge thanks to everyone who took time out to write me with your support. It means a lot to me, and it's awesome that so many of you guys care so much. Thanks a million! love and luck always Courtney ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:22:42 -0400 From: Mandabear four Subject: ET: Outraged angel about news man Do you know what was just brought to my attention? What about the parents of the two kids who murdered those other kids? What are they going through? A woman in charge of a group called something along the lines of mothers and friends of murdered kids says that 3/4 of the blame is on the parents cuz they didn't know what was going on. They not only have to deal with the trauma of loosing their kid to suicide but they have to deal with the fact their child did something this horrendous. Some Jackass reporter on one of the news channels (Hardball is the name of the show) says "i don't think it's right to come out with a whole series of laws because of two kids." Is he insane? These kids killed 16 people and wounded many others. I am outraged that he would say something like that. How dare he? There most certainly should be new laws and fixed laws that prevent this from happening. You can't live inside a bubble all your life but there are things you can do to protect yourself. I am so angry with this selfish man who says you can't change this world because of two kids. How many more kids is it going to take? <3 always ~Mandabear~ "Pain is inevitable but suffering is optional" ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:45:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Seth Fulmer Subject: ET: OPINION on Colorado - If you don't want to read, delete NOW Okay, I'm on like a billion different mailing lists and at least 2 of them has been discussing this, as well as hearing it verbally. I'd like to state my opinion on this matter as I was ready to explode and then when I mentioned it to my one friend she understood and then another friend called me crazy..but here it is. If you don't wish to read/hear about it, just delete it and remember please that it's my opinion and not fact. As for the victims, I feel extremely sorry for them, and hope that they're well enough in heaven. I do not blame anybody for the shootings. I feel sorry for the boys because they don't appear to have chosen the more preferred choice of actions for their hatred. I get really annoyed at the people who blame it on the boys' parents, teachers, peers, society, etc. because everyone seems to be projecting their own moral spectrums onto the boys. Nobody will probably ever know what the boys were thinking, but if it were possible, I don't believe it's fair to say that just because 'you' wouldn't have done it, and becuase 'you' consider it a rash act, that 'they' considered it as such. Hitler himself considered himself to be correct in his actions and everyone else to be in the wrong. To say that Hitler was wrong is to project our moral spectrum onto him, and admittedly he did the same with us, but 2 wrongs don't make a right. The boys disliked the other various races and athletes evidently according to all I've read and heard. I have to say I've never been a fan of the sports, or athletics, and I've found myself to be racist in mind at times. I don't act upon the thoughts/beliefs though because I find it to be wrong. Perhaps the boys considered action to be better than inaction, and acted upon their dislike for those types of people. To say that their parents, teachers, and society didn't teach/prepare/take care of them well I believe is wrong too...for this reason. Certainly my parents, when I was a child, told me that to do certain things were wrong, but as I got older, I created my own set of morals and values. I sort of believe with the one person on my one list Mandy who mentioned about having faith. I don't have any idea what the boys were thinking/feeling. To say they had lack of ways to express their agression I believe is not accurate either because with this topic..I had plenty of places to go and I still flipped with my opinion after reading posts on all my lists and hearing about it so much. I certainly am not shocked from this. You see people being killed, wounded, etc. all the time on TV, and read about it in the newspapers too. If not guns, then knives are found in students lockers and are so easy to get ahold of. If, for instance a weapon knife isn't available, a student can simply go into the parent's kitchen and grab a butter knife. Common physics and a little biology/anatomy states that almost any object given enough force can puncture someone's body. People say about taking away the consitutional amendment to bear arms. Whyfor? The general public, even if they have the volition to destroy/maim/mutilate/kill/torture/etc. others, don't do it. Those that do do it, and haven't been caught...if arms(guns,bombs, grenades, etc.) are made illegal, they'll just find other tools for the job. I can say that if I want to do something, I'll do it...Take everything away from me, strip me naked, place me in a cell, throw away the key, tie me up, gag me..and I want to do something..I certainly will find a way to do it. Take a look at the alcohol prohibition of the 20s(I believe). People drank...Now, in the US, one isn't allowed to drink under the age of 21 years old, and I can say I was drinking at age 19. My sister's 18 and she drinks. Making weapons illegal I doubt will solve anything....it might actually make things worse. I know just telling me I can't do something..I'll go ahead and try to do it. "Don't touch that burner"..Ok..I'll touch it..Why not?(I'm serious). I guess I'm saying I feel sorry for the boys and the victims but I won't blame any of them. I know from personal experience that the parents, peers, society in general could have done everything for them and still it may not have done any change in their value system and moral spectrum. If anyone has an opinion to share in response to mine, I welcome it, but please don't flame me for my opinion to tell me I'm wrong(you can't be wrong on an opinion). Take care everyone and Have an Excellent Day/Weekend :o) Seth Fulmer mailto:usfulmer@mcs.drexel.edu mailto:st96t879@post.drexel.edu mailto:kaosking@voicenet.com webpages: http://www.voicenet.com/~kaosking Quotes/Song Lyrics that describe my feelings :) "And what you suspect...Well, it's probably true" - -Fuller's Earth, "Why are you even trying?" ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V2 #114 **********************************