From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V2 #72 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Wednesday, March 17 1999 Volume 02 : Number 072 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * eda-thoughts-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY * the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: eda-thoughts-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- ET: I think we're getting there! Keep Going! [ABershaw@aol.com] ET: Re: soup anyone? [Angeljlr98@aol.com] ET: just some baby sessions from last night ["shivergirl" ] ET:some poems [zerocool@sunlink.net (Niki)] ET: boys & stuff ... :-) [SummerTime ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:56:44 EST From: ABershaw@aol.com Subject: ET: I think we're getting there! Keep Going! Hi again, While I can't speak for all the old timers on this list, I do know that most of the ones I know personally LOVE new subscribers. Personally, I find the new folks interest, curiosity & enthusiasm contagious & they keep me in touch with why I came here in the first place. It's the new folks interest to a large extent that keeps me interested in being here! And in regards to our current discussion about the future: I knew moderation in & of itself wasn't the root of the lists problems & I never wanted to eliminate the offshoot lists as some may have thought. But I had to say what I said to to expose the root of why things are at a standstill these days on THIS LIST & hopefully kickstart some solutional thinking about it. The responsibilities for improving this list lie not with the moderator, but with ALL the EDAs acting more consciously respectful toward each other & a LOT more effort toward educating & welcoming new people. But saying THAT would have accomplished very little (I've tried it before!). By stating all those things the moderator has been FORCED TO DO over the years, was the only way I could think of to have people realize that YOU still determine the overall direction of this list. (There's a method to my madness!) Obviously, I think that the "strictness" of some policies being relaxed a bit would improve this list, but I also know that cannot be successful without more serious thought & effort from The EDAs themselves. My only other thought tonight is regarding people who've already given up or are leaning in that direction. There will always be a few "voices of doom" out there, but you can decide for yourself how you want to approach the people on this list (& your life in general for that matter). Approaching things in a negative or positive way is a choice we all make for ourselves. After a few days of venting, the discussion is starting to move into some very insightful areas. I can clearly see that if you want it, there IS hope for improving this experience for everyone. Keep going! Alan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 02:40:17 EST From: Angeljlr98@aol.com Subject: ET: Re: soup anyone? You've got issues, Mike =) Hehehe...pickle. It said duck soup. =) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 99 12:51:13 PST From: "shivergirl" Subject: ET: just some baby sessions from last night * you made yourself into a butterfly, not realizing you would die in two weeks. * making my arms an X across my chest, wrapping around my back like zip-locked flesh, scratching the existential itch, that mosquito, life, sucks my pulp and blood, surface love * bury me undergound grave of basic-shame i will pull you out, you say i will raise myself, i say resurrected like the dead in *thriller,* but *thanks* * peeping around your shoulder playfully, half-hiding in non-TV pure post-postman peek-a-boo/ hoo world, you, who, wears make-up on only half your face, you, who, wears blue in the form of clothing only on your lower half.. i was her in that moment. * ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:37:16 EST From: ABershaw@aol.com Subject: ET: More insight for newer folks Hi again, In a message dated 3/15/99 10:51:23 PM, shallowend@asan.com writes: <> This is a major factor why The Jewel list is different than most other mailing lists out there & it's likely one of the factors that new subscribers understand the least. Many of the people here have personally met each other & found it to be an incredible experience. THAT's what Jewelstock was all about. That's what the LRT's (Living Room Tours) are all about. That's partially what the EDAF is about. Jewel & the other great LRT musicians are all just catalysts (& very willing participants) in some of these events. But they were NOT the reason the events became legendary. And that's what many of these old timers are talking about that's missing nowadays. It's not about "being superior fans", "anti-new people" or Jewel. The EDAFoundation will help you find ways to get involved in list activities geared toward helping others this year, but all that aside, you can easily find reasons to get together & just have a good time. No other purpose needed, like the Bearsville Reunions each year. Anyone can do these things almost anywhere with a little work & effort. The people here with experience doing it would be happy to help you with questions or advice, I'm sure. As the list grows, it even becomes easier to do this successfully as more people are potentially in your area. There are MANY unforgettable characters on this list & it's amazing what you learn when you meet other EDAs for real! Everybody's different from what you thought & usually MUCH more fun to be around than you ever expected! I'm not kidding. For instance, I'm nothing like you probably think I am in person. Because of my efforts to keep y'all informed & be as clear as possible, I get stuck being serious all the time on list. But in reality, as those who've met me know, I rarely stop laughing & I'm one ridiculously happy person. On this list I'm as considerate as possible when choosing my words, but in person I uncontrollably swear in almost every sentence! (Right, Mike?) That's the reality. (I left home at 15, lived with biker gang friends during High School, then did road work with bands, so what did you expect?!) I know really sick jokes, have lots of insane stories & remember when Art Fleming was the host of Jeopardy! I love meeting new & old EDAs at shows & having them join us at our annual Cape Cod summer bash. My point in this ramble is that to make a "real connection" with people you have to make some effort to do so whether it's here on the list or elsewhere. I know many people are very concerned with meeting Jewel, getting autographs, etc. But let me tell ya in all honesty, standing in a crowd of people all shoving paper, CDs & pens at Jewel is NOTHING compared to meeting other EDAs. And thankfully the latter is so much easier to do! These get-togethers many of you newer folks keep hearing about & meeting up with other EDAs in your area at shows is well worth your time & effort. Alan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:28:26 -0500 (EST) From: Seth Fulmer Subject: ET: stuff and maybe poetry Well, I put maybe poetry because right now I have 3 poems I could include but I may decide not to include them yet. I am feeling very skeptical/cynical/(name your negative emotion) right now. Like..ok, Here's the scoop..some of you know this but some of you don't. Last week I was told by my friend Heidi at Albright that I had to find someone with whom to go to Albright's Spring formal(even though I'm a student at Drexel University and not at Albright) that occured this past Saturday. Well, I found someone and went...Now, you all know me and how I get emotional over nothing sometimes. I had totally convinced myself it was a "friendly date" because when I called this girl(hereinafter named "Adrienne") to go to the formal she used the term "Accompany". I later found out she had a boyfriend which didn't bother me because I had convinced myself that it was just as friends. He couldn't have gone cuz he had to work. Well, after the formal, her, I and like 8 others went to this diner to chill(hang out). We stopped by Albright and picked "him" up. I felt like a loner cuz everyone else knew him but I had never met him until then. Well, the next night at the brotherhood meeting that the APO(that's the service fraternity I'm in) chapter there has every Sunday night, she was like poking and waving and stuff before the meeting..just basically playing. Now, the thing is though...ok..Sunday night after the meeting, I was talking to my friend Shanna from High School(HS) and she was convincing me that I really did want a girlfriend but was just denying it and telling myself I wasn't interested. Ok..maybe she's right partly but she wanted also to act as matchmaker and find me someone. I don't like that too much because partly of the guys she chooses for herself. Well, it had me thinking and yesterday morning I woke up depressed...partly cuz my day then started out bad, but it got better near the end cuz I received a good employee evaluation :) *smiles* Well, like...ok, a while ago though..this guy(ok, so he's a brother in my fraternity) at Drexel Steve contacts me on his friend(a female brother at another college)'s AOL account. He's trying to tell me also what Shanna was telling me(that I just want a girlfriend and am denying it). But like...then last night, Nedra contacts me and I feel weird cuz she was really the one who was telling me that I need a girlfriend and Steve was just at the keyboard. I know she's single but I seriously am not interested in her and I know I'll see her this Sunday when I go to a fraternity thing, but I'm looking forward to going...not to see her but to see someone else..I just sorta feel wrong now. I mean this other person(named Leigh) is actually my computer at home's Windows 98 Wallpaper, but I don't wanna shoo away Nedra from me. AHH!! What a tangled web I've woven..and It can only get more complex!! Anyhow..I'll probably send my poetry later today(if I'm bored more) or tonight. I have 2 or 3 that I could send, but 2 of them suck and 1 of them doesn't exactly show my good side...however someone asked me to send more in so I'll do it :) I hope you all take care and Have a Great Day! :o) Seth D. Fulmer mailto:kaosking@voicenet.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:04:43 -0500 From: zerocool@sunlink.net (Niki) Subject: ET:some poems Sure if you smile I'd smile back But you don't know What she's says What I don't dare say... You wouldn't smile then And I [who loves to smile] Wouldn't pretend to smile back *(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*( Sing him a black decaying song Full of broken promises Strung together to sound melodious... But if you write out all the notes You'll see that they are Jagged and cut to fit together... Monet in a sense But you'll never look up close will you? *(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*( And I hear you say that you think it's wrong that we have to be 21 to drink and only 18 to die for out country...i hear you when you say 'that was a great movie...moving and disturbing but good'...and i see you-in the halls-as you sway back and forth...back and forth-to the music in your head... *(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*( Cosmic Radiation Trailing purple tears... The aftermath of all that I knew was coming... But didn't want to stop... *(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*( ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:45:30 -0600 From: SummerTime Subject: ET: boys & stuff ... :-) I'm listening to a "St Patricks Day mix tape" my friend/infatuation Josh made for me... It hasd his voice on it. and I can't figure out how I feel about him anymore. It's like.. I want to go out with him. But I don't get those "crushy" feelings anymore. My knees don't go weak anymore. And I kind of LIKE my knees going weak. It's not time -- I've known "the other guy" for much longer than I've known Josh (the friend) and the other guy (David) still makes me shivery. But I don't WANT to go out with him. cause he's a jerk. Does that make any sense? Doesn't matter, anyway. Neither of them "thinks of me like THAT". They'll call me & kiss my cheek & whine & we'll have tons of fun... but when it's time to find a date, they turn to one of my "hotter" (and more aloof, catty & generally bitchy) acquantinces. Damn. I was really upset a few nights ago. I was getting sick -- almost on purpose. Not sticking my finger down my throught or anything.... But crying hard enough, and grabbing hold to hard. I needed to have the physical feeling of what was in my emotions. I feel a lot better now. I had a good day. I've been thinking about all the amazing wonderful things in my life & how it's going to be okay.. someday. I just want someone now, is all. that's all... Poems... all recent... prolly not that good... : - -- Carry me to my ocean deliver me there scatter my burned hart across the ocean Whenever I walk my feet carry me near the waves & I jump and the saltwater saves me The hot beach doesn't excite me I need my waves to carry me home To carry me down someday I will drown In my oceanhome In my saltwater dream Carrying me down below to depths of deep bluegreen carrying me down - -- I remember watching you sleep watching you breathe Never before has breath been a miracle but in you, it was And now everytime life calls for my strength I seem to find it in those hours watching you sleep I was told to close my eyes and tell a story and I told a story about your eyes, closed and how divine it was When I dream, I dream of watching you again watching you breath every breath another miracle watching you sleep - -- saturday night at the roller skate rink what a cliche tonight this is the place where the glittered girls skate where the jnco boys find their dates blasting boy bands and YMCA going around in circles this boy says it's like life his hand is on my thigh but for now it's alright cause this is the place where girls can feel pretty and the boys will be boys and play with their toys blasting boy bands and a little country and I'm sitting in my corner while that boy hits up my friend and I'm sitting in my corner watching them turn & bend and they start to look like animals there for me to watch there for me to taunt and they're blasting boy bands and Celine Dion it's the couple skate cause it's getting late and I'm sitting all alone in the dark of the rink I'm sitting in my corner trying to think and all I can think of is where do the glitter girls go? can they go home from this sweat-infused zoo? can they be normal when they've been played with all night? how far can they wind? before the gears break? how can they sleep after tonight? - -- That's all folks, - -Summer sometimesifeelforgotten ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V2 #72 *********************************