From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V2 #19 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Tuesday, January 19 1999 Volume 02 : Number 019 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * eda-thoughts-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY * the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: eda-thoughts-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- ET: everyone is manic (help) [winters ] ET: Re: kicking myself (for commenting on clothes...) ["Kevin Pease" ] ET: UPDATED again: Jewel, The Everyday Angel ["Roel Cobben" ] ET: something [moonsong@ix.netcom.com (Charlie, Andalite, & The Goddess)] ET: oh my [moonsong@ix.netcom.com (Charlie, Andalite, & The Goddess)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 22:59:14 -0800 From: winters Subject: ET: everyone is manic (help) > angels > everyone is manic. my mother is, my best friend is, my sister is. i > have spent most of my life around manic depressive people. manic > depression (bipolar) is a hot/cold sort of thing, one minute the person > is happy and loves you, the next you are the person's worst enemy and > they want nothing to do with you. it's like talking to a wall when the > person turns depressive and it's like having a hyper angel when they are > happy. the thing is, i normally can deal with this well, but my best > friend has sort of reached the level where i can't help, and now i am > losing what matters most: trust. i know she doesn't mean to be the way > she is being, and she apologizes all the time, but i just think it's > getting to be too difficult on me. i'm scared, i don't want to lose her > as she is the closest, most constant person i have ever known. she knows > me so well and we have spent so many years with each other, getting to > know the world around us. but lately her depression bit has really > kicked in. she either gets angry at me for not being there, or she yells > at me for being there. i cant please her, she is starting counceling > soon, but i fear that things have past a helping point for our > friendship. i want to know if anyone out there is also dealing with a > manic depressive person or if they are manic (i really need advice). i > just don't want to lose her, but at the same time i feel like this > friendship is really hurting me. everytime she turns like this, i end up > feeling lost, confused, worried, it's like losing a boyfriend. but then > she'll be great, and expect everything to be the same. i can't help but > to wonder if things can ever be the same, the more and more this happens > the less and less i can trust opening up to her (she turns against me > everytime she gets depressive). also i just feel so helpless with her, > like there is really nothing i can say or do to help her at all. i see > this happen w/ my sister and mom but they rarely get as bad as my friend > is getting. i just need some advice if anyone has any. thanks > kat ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 02:14:13 -0500 From: "Kevin Pease" Subject: ET: Re: kicking myself (for commenting on clothes...) >Ive got some friends that wear dog collars and eyebrow rings. I fit in >with them because I know them. Their groupies tho, they dont >accept me, if only because I DONT HAVE A NOSE RING OR >DYED HAIR! Everyone is discriminative....everyone. I especially liked this comment... I've noticed that a lot of times, the people who insist they're being "individualistic" by dressing in their own way really look like they're just wearing a different uniform. :) I think you're right - people tend to like to be with people that look like themselves, regardless of what their particular style is - people who don't fit their style are typically regarded as outsiders on the basis of a first impression. >This could be a locale-difference...but around here so called >"freaks" are not, ARE NOT, respected/respectable. Some of the >'cultural' things that they are associated with include self >mutilation, drug abuse, and extreme sexual frivolousness. >That's not respectable. And I have to believe that those things people feel they're associated with are less associations of fact than associations of prejudice & presumption... and, on a more serious note, if these people that you see *ARE* truly into self mutilation, they're probably in much more need of help, 'respect,' and common courtesy, than your average person... if I'm understanding the "self mutilation" reference appropriately... well, just read this: "Self-injury is associated with many mental disorders including clinical depression, MPD, BPD, and PTSD. Many self-injurers have a background of at least one of the following: Abuse or neglect; Sexual violation of any kind; Anorexia Nervosa; Bulimia; Severe past emotional trauma; Depression or other clinical mental illness." Just a side note... but if they truly are "into self mutilation," then it's probably a sign of *severe* distress. >Granted, 'preps' can get pretty horny and they drink, but in >the morning, they get up, go to school, and treat themselves >and THE SOCIETY THAT THEY BELONG TO (Ive heard >some 'freaks' claim to be individual, and therefore >independent of society) with dignity. So as long as they do that in the morning, it's okay to drink a quarter keg & have a one night stand? :) I'd also argue that claiming to be an "individual" within society doesn't necessarily mean that you're calling yourself independent from society. I'd like to consider myself a fairly free-thinking individual, I don't like being told what or how to think (and more often than not, this attitude gets me in trouble... :), but I certainly don't think I'm independent from society... mostly because, in a nutshell, anarchy doesn't work. >attitude cant be determined on a first/quick meeting basis, right? you >cant immediately pick up someone's 'aura' upon first contact.. No, you can't... but by the same token, I try to assume that everybody I meet is deserving of a certain amount of common courtesy, until they prove themselves unworthy of that common courtesy. Now granted, it's more difficult if my first impression of the person is negative, but I've met people who dress weird or freaky that I liked almost instantly, and I've met people who dress just like me who I've absolutely hated almost instantly. A lot more than their clothing goes into my first impression of them... >*ok ok im trying to stop laughing* In all seriousness, Ive worn leather >pants, had orange hair (it's naturally black, so i looked like something >out of a halloween movie), and I even bought into the concert mosh >pits at one point in time... I've *never* seen the point of mosh pits - I've always hated them. I'm there for the music, not to get my face kicked in by some sweaty dude in a Limp Bizkit t-shirt. :) The mosh pit is the most annoying part of any "loud" concert I've gone to (I say loud because mosh pits just weren't a problem at Lilith Fair in Connecticut 2 years ago... :)... try to get anywhere near the stage, and you're going to get hit. I find the best thing to do if you get caught is to make like you're going for someone's piercings. Earring, nose ring, lip ring, eyebrow ring... whatever they have - just make a move like you're going to grab at it, and they'll back right off... that's the easiest way to get out of a mosh pit if it sort of erupts around you. :) >Now now, kevlar? is that stuff flamable? hmmm... (Nope, Kevlar is pretty well fire retardant... it's even used in fire fighting gear...) For the prices the designers ask for their clothes, I'd expect them to be able to withstand major structure fires. :) Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 01:34:54 -0800 (PST) From: Uneaq1@webtv.net (Maggie) Subject: Re: ET: Re: kicking myself (for commenting on clothes...) Wonderfully said Kev, wonderful. This is my basic opinion. Everyone should be automatically given a certain amount of respect, regardless of attire. If a person is dressed such as I or is covered in lavendar tattoos or looks like the "ladies" down on 5th street that the cops keep cruising by, they should be treated with the respect you would like to be given. The "non-prep" dressed in baggy jeans and a sliced up green mesh shirt with the rainbow mohawk and 14 ear peircings is going to be just as or more respectful than the prep, simply becase he would like to be treated as he treats. Signing off, The Freak aka Maggie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 08:01:21 -0800 (PST) From: nicole kline Subject: ET: poetry i was wondering if any of you out there would be interested in sharing poetry? please email me back if you are, my name is nicole and my email is nik22@drexel.edu. thank you! _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 22:34:29 +0100 From: "Roel Cobben" Subject: ET: UPDATED again: Jewel, The Everyday Angel Hi EDA's, You can hardly believe it, but I just updated my site again!! I have added a POEMS and VIDEOS section and updated the CALENDAR and PICTURES section!! Guitar Tabs will be up soon .... You can see this all at http://www.r-cobben.demon.nl I'd really appreciate it when you sign my guestbook ...:-)) Thanx :-) Roel, The Other Everyday Angel. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ICQ# 16784628 "If I could tell the world just one thing It would be that we're all okay" - -- Hands, Jewel http://jewel.iscrazy.com http://jewel.isthebest.com http://www.r-cobben.demon.nl/ Jewel, The Everyday Angel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 16:46:50 EST From: Lizjewel@aol.com Subject: ET: Best poetry ever! Hi everyone, I was thinking that it would be really cool if everyone would submit their favorite poem to the list so that we could all enjoy some spiritual enlightenment! I am really in need of some real touching/thought provoking poems!! If anyone wants to participate please feel free -if not it's up to you!! Peace and love, Liz......the silent angel P.S. Does anyone know of any lists that exchange poetry or anything close to it. Or maybe some sites that have decent poetry???? If so e-mail me and let me know I would greatly appreciate it. "My standards of living somehow got stuck on survive!" -You know who! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 20:37:22 -0000 From: "Naomi Vaughn" Subject: ET: a couple poems hey angels ~ I realized that I haven't posted much in the past weeks. I don't have any good reason...but, I have been enjoying the discussion going on right now. Some very good points being made. anyway, I just have these two poems today. the first is just one of my personal strange little thoughts, and the second I wrote after a long talk with a friend of mine about the painful cycle that is love. she hasn't found the answer...so, she has decided to just swear off men in general...and I just think it's sad how one can become bitter after constant heartbreak...and block off the chance to find their "sincere amour." ah, but I digress...so, enjoy the poems. comments are always appreciated. take care everyone. :) love ever, Naomi the unknown angel - -- wonderer sometimes I wonder If I sit in a dark corner, on a lonely winter night, the darkness leaving an impenetrable silence, maybe if I just stay here and don't make a sound, save for breathing in my solitude, I wonder, could I fade away? become part of the midnight air, nothing more then wind. I wonder if I just sit here silently, could the night swallow me whole? 15jan99 - -- Battered Castle Gates You open up the pearly gates, smile sweetly curtsey low divert your eyes from his approving gaze, maintain an air of meekness. Then once entrance was gained, your castle was stormed, and your heart smashed, along with mom's good china. You bolt the fence, and attempt to mend, your shattered soul Till the next time, when a smiling handsome face asks entrance to your dwelling, charm spilling over his soft lips. You talk for a time, till he's gained your trust; *surely he's not the same as the last...* And you bid him enter, "Come into my home." He burns into you, with his dark eyes and slowly, you close the gate, behind him. Once inside he quickly turns, thrusts his fist within your chest, and rips forth, your beating heart. You stare on in shock-- *how could it be, how was I to know? he's the very same, no different from the last...* Weeks pass, then months. Again and again, it happens the same-- *how long will this go on? I can't continue, I can't endure..." Then a peacefilled man, with moonbeams for a smile, happens upon your door. He smile's kindly, bows with grace, "May I come in?" Sadly, you shake your head, "My heart can't take it anymore. You can't come in...you must go." He nods with regret, "Take care...sweet angel." You look away, as he walks down the path-- *could he have been, the very one? has my pain, left me blind? how was I, supposed to know?* 3:30am/17jan99. - --- "If a man wants to be sure of his road he must close his eyes and walk in the dark." -St. John of the Cross "Sometimes what seems most fragile catches the most light" -Abenaki native poet Joseph Bruchac hp - http://www.angelfire.com/ok/naomisplace/index.html uin# 10320204 aim - kilumdra irc dalnet - kilumdra Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 15:24:36 -0800 From: moonsong@ix.netcom.com (Charlie, Andalite, & The Goddess) Subject: ET: something hi, here's something i found today in a folder. i have no idea when i wrote it - - judging from the handwriting, i must have been around 10 or 11. it was scribbled upon a piece of paper, folded, and tucked carelessly away, hidden for years. it was really powerful to find. sam the ? angel You hold your hand out for a pearl, and fate puts into it a scorpion. Show no change. Close your fingers firmly upon the gift. Let it sting through your palm - it doesn't matter. In time, after your hand & arm have swelled & quivered long with torture, the squeezed scorpion will die. And you will have learned the great lesson: of how to endure without a sob. moonsong@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 15:28:40 -0800 From: moonsong@ix.netcom.com (Charlie, Andalite, & The Goddess) Subject: ET: oh my guys...i swear, this is going to destroy our entire vocabulary. check it out. =D Life in Hell: FORBIDDEN WORDS 1999 ©1999, Matt Groening ********************************************************** "And I'm all like..." "As if!" "Award-winning" "Awesome!" "Babe" "It's the bomb!" "Chicken soup for the soul" "Closure" "Cyber-concert" "Cybersex" "Cyber-anything" "It's a done deal!" "Don't go there!" "Don't even go there!" "Edgy" "Empower" "Anything for dummies" "Feng Shui" "Get over it!" "Go postal" "In your face" "Millenium bug" "Not even!" "On the same page" "Oh my god, they killed Kenny!" "Partial-birth abortion" "Peeps" "Postmodern" "Proactive" "Reality check" "Rock the vote" "Slick willie" "Touch base" "24-7" "Yada yada yada" "Y2k" "You the man!" "Zipper-Gate" "Monica-Gate" "Stained blue dress" "It's not about sex -- it's about lying!" "Party Like It's 1999!" moonsong@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V2 #19 *********************************