From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V2 #18 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Monday, January 18 1999 Volume 02 : Number 018 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * eda-thoughts-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY * the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: eda-thoughts-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- [none] ["Roel Cobben" ] ET: kicking myself (for commenting on clothes...) [ib-3@juno.com] ET: Clothes [mandabear4@juno.com (Mandabear four)] ET: MYST [cmgordon2@juno.com (Courtney M Gordon)] ET: clothes [CLEARVVATR@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 13:07:32 +0100 From: "Roel Cobben" Subject: [none] Hi EDA's, Just want to let you know that my site has been extended with some new things: NEW SECTION: VIDEOS NEW PICTURES!! Take a look at http://www.r-cobben.demon.nl Will you sign my guestbook? Thanx, Roel, The Other Everyday Angel. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ICQ# 16784628 "If I could tell the world just one thing It would be that we're all okay" - -- Hands, Jewel http://jewel.iscrazy.com http://jewel.isthebest.com http://www.r-cobben.demon.nl/ Jewel, The Everyday Angel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 14:41:14 -0500 From: ib-3@juno.com Subject: ET: kicking myself (for commenting on clothes...) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 03:08:46 -0800 (PST) From: Uneaq1@webtv.net (Maggie) Subject: Re: ET: OMG...am I talking about the tommy thing, too? >Respectable is not detemined by the clothes you wear, but by the way you >carry yourself. I wear baggy jeans, flannel shirts, and my favorite >shoes are my combat boots. I belive that designer labels are simply Respectable on a one meeting basis is. Our world...or at least mine, is extrememly superficial. Im not going to be blind and pretend that it isn't. Im not saying that it's right that labels and names can make someone's presence desirable or undesirable, Im just saying that's the way it is. When I walk down the halls of my respective high school, I see a new face everyday. Of EVERYONE that I see, I wont see 95% of them outside of school. I wont see 75% of them again that day. I wont see 50% of them for the next week. I probably wont see 10% of them ever again. I want the impression I make with those people to be a positive one. Wearing 'nice' clothes is the easiest way to accomplish this. The 5% of people that I have to deal with day in and day out, and several classes per day, well those people will base their respet (or lack there of) upon my actions and personality, because they will have an opportuntiy, and will seek to, look beyond the labels I wear. >status signs and are actually somewhat discriminative. I don't know your >ful opinion, I'm not trying to change your veiw, I am simply stating >that I belive respectability is not something that is necesarily >determined by clothes. I have stopped wearing makeup and worrying about Im not trying to start a social ...war. Well, yes I am :) Im not defending all of the 'preps' and 'snobs'. They're not worthy of my words... I dont defend the superficial and shallow minded. Labels can be somewhat discriminative, but so can everything. Catholic school kids look down on public school kids. ADULTS LOOK DOWN ON US. Frieks...freaks...the original, whatever you want to classify the group as, is discriminative as well. Ive got some friends that wear dog collars and eyebrow rings. I fit in with them because I know them. Their groupies tho, they dont accept me, if only because I DONT HAVE A NOSE RING OR DYED HAIR! Everyone is discriminative....everyone. >how I look. I have also done a complete 360' in my self esteem because >now it is not based on someone else's opinion of me, but my opinion of >myself. I am wholly comfortable with myself and I belive I have gained >respect, not handed it. I am handed respect every day. I am also denied it. The manager at subway, where i eat lunch everyday, I know he doesnt respect me...he has this suspicion that i am putting my pop class under his tires everyday. I dont deserve respect from him. I dont expect it. My interactions with him have proved...unworthy of respect. Im ok with that. For all of the people whom i do NOT have interactions with on a daily basis, I know that they still have a certain opinion about me. That opinion is STRICTLY based on what little they have seen of my actions, the people that I hang out with, and the clothes that I wear. The last two 'categories' are strict overgeneralizations, but life is like that. This could be a locale-difference...but around here so called "freaks" are not, ARE NOT, respected/respectable. Some of the 'cultural' things that they are associated with include self mutilation, drug abuse, and extreme sexual frivolousness. That's not respectable. Granted, 'preps' can get pretty horny and they drink, but in the morning, they get up, go to school, and treat themselves and THE SOCIETY THAT THEY BELONG TO (Ive heard some 'freaks' claim to be individual, and therefore independent of society) with dignity. >Just ask yourself this..."Would I still be >wearing this if it didn't have POLO/Tommy written all over it?" yes. half of the stuff i wear just has the little horsey and the man playing polo on it. i like the clothes. just as you like your baggy jeans and combat boots. im not knocking your dress, Im just defending mine. >you. But thanks for listening anyway, 'kay? >Oh yeah, any questions, just e me.... yuppers this could turn into a big debate... Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 16:22:50 -0500 From: "Kevin Pease" Subject: Re: ET: OMG...am I talking about the tommy thing, too? > I've got to sort of agree / sort of disagree on this one. (Please, keep >in mind that I'm also talking as someone who's working a full time job, and >no longer in school... ) woo hoo! an outside perspective... > I will agree with Maggie's last sentence up there - respectability isn't >something that is necessarily determined by clothes... I'd even say that >respectability is something that's completely independent of the clothing >you wear. Respectability is something that comes from attitude, not from attitude cant be determined on a first/quick meeting basis, right? you cant immediately pick up someone's 'aura' upon first contact.. >like to dress like Marilyn Manson (not a slam against him, just that his >mode of dress is rather... unique... :), who are completely respectable, >intelligent, good people. The clothes don't determine the respectability. on first meeting they do...at least to the general populus. competely open-minded people arent as shallow as to quickly 'label' --hehe i made a pun :) others upon first meeting, but the general populus...a strong majority are that shallow. oh...the manson thing being unique...thats a whole other story. :) a debate sometime, right? Unfortunately, not everybody thinks that way, and, at least in the working world, there *are* certain standards of "respectable" dress. Of course, it varies completely from job to job - I work as a software engineer... I can roll into work unshaven, wearing shorts, sandals, and a t-shirt during the summer (not all the time... but now and then I can get away with it... :)... but walk next door to the sales & marketing department, and they're dressed in suits (casual for them is ONLY a shirt and a tie) year-round. I don't deal with customers directly, so I'm not expected to dress up like the sales & marketing folks. However, if I was to that's right... i guess im just the sales and marketing guy.. and people that i see everyday, well they're the customers... And i want to make a GOOD FIRST IMPRESSION so that I am not digging myself out of a hole from the very beginning. >come in some time, (and this is for example only... I wouldn't even know >where to BUY these things, but I have seen them on people... :) wearing >tight leather pants, a fishnet shirt, and combat boots, my hair dyed jet >black & grown out long... I'd raise more than a few managerial eyebrows, and >probably one of them would say..."Um... could you tone it down please?" >That's not to say that there's not jobs where you COULD show up to work like >that, but I think there's probably more jobs that you couldn't do that at. >They don't expect you to buy all your clothing at Tommy or Abercrombie... >but by the same token, corporate folks generally don't want employees >dressing like they just stepped out of a rock video. :) I dont know if I should -admit- this or not...it might raise a few eyebrows.. Although I wear my fair share of POLO, Im a cross dresser. NO, kidding :): ):) oh yeah, Im havin a good laugh at you all now... oh my.. *ok ok im trying to stop laughing* In all seriousness, Ive worn leather pants, had orange hair (it's naturally black, so i looked like something out of a halloween movie), and I even bought into the concert mosh pits at one point in time... yeah so uhm that's an admission of some sort.. >the things better damned well be made of Kevlar, and completely bullet >proof. :) Now now, kevlar? is that stuff flamable? hmmm... > The point is this: respectability isn't based on a designer label. >But, sometimes, you have to present a respectable image, and that *can* be >hard to do when you're dressed like Marilyn Manson. It's not impossible, >but it is harder... people like to categorize you by what they see - if they >see a "punk rock-star wannabe", they're going to assume that you're a punk >rock-star wannabe, and you've got to overcome that negative first impression >as well as show them that you're respectable... like I said, it's not >impossible, but it does tend to make things more difficult. Thank you. not impossible, but difficult, and if youre a fast paced individual, you dont have time to be wondering around the abyss of someone's head trying to change their oppinion of you just so that you CAN TALK TO THEM. I'd rather start the talking/planning/doing right away, thanx :) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 20:11:44 EST From: Lucky997@aol.com Subject: Re: ET: OMG...am I talking about the tommy thing, too? Hey guys- > Well I thought I'd jump in on this whole clothes discussion. I can >definitely see both points of view here. I am one of those people that gets >me to believe she WOULD shop in those stores if she had the money. Basically I >think, live and let live : ) Melissa oh yes, there is definatley two sides to this issue, otherwise it wouldnt be an argument... Live and let live...now where'd the fun be in that? that's like kevin's kevlar solution. :) LOVE YOU ALL!!!! LOL JAMES ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 16:16:59 -0500 From: mandabear4@juno.com (Mandabear four) Subject: ET: Clothes I didn't mean to start a whole contorversial topic of discussion but I am glad that I did. I understand that clothes are a major part of society. Not clothes specifically but style. In some places, baggy clothes and certain lingo and all that stuff is acceptable...other places, it's not. Just like dressing up is appropriate in some cases and not in other's. I think that if a person is judged by the clothes they wear, it's wrong. You can dress anyone in a business suit but it doesn't make them a business man (person). Clothes can determine a lot of things about someone. When I originally commented on the whole Tommy thing I wasn't talking about respectability and all that. I was talking about why it is _*so*_ important to wear ONLY designer clothes. I mean, I know some people who wouldn't be caught dead wearing clothes that don't have designer labels. I mean in reality, you're paying $50 for say a GAP sweater simply becasue it says Gap. I bet the sweater only cost like, at most, $5 to make it. That's $45 out of your pocket for buying a label that is world renouned. I don't know. I would never pay that price. I mean, I'm a normal 16 year old girl who likes to shop but it's like, if I have to pay, or if my mom has to pay for clothes for me, I'm going to be selective. Not because I won't wear certain clothes, I want to save money and get more for my money. You know? Maybe I'm being old fashioned. I haven't grown up with a lot of money, as I've been moved from foster home to foster home. Maybe I can just appreciate what I can get. Please, don't get offended by that last sentence. I'm NOT saying there aren't people out there who don't appreciate these things like i do. I'm just saying I haven't really met anyone who does appreciate what they have. I go to a public school with over 2500 people. Money is everything to these people and it just really irks me. Why is money so important? It's true that money can't buy you happiness. Some ctitics say that money makes misery a lot easier to live with. Money can be a good thing but it can also destroy. I don't know if this all makes sense but it does in my head. Email me with any questions/comments <3 always ~Mandabear~ ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 21:30:18 -0500 From: cmgordon2@juno.com (Courtney M Gordon) Subject: ET: MYST Dear Ppls, Okay yall, I need help (not psychiatric, contrary to popular belief). I am looking for someone else out there (there's gotta be someone) who plays MYST (cpu game). I am stuck, I've been stuck for just about ever, I need help. If any of yall play Myst, your help would be greatly appreciated. love and such Courtney ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 23:23:36 EST From: CLEARVVATR@aol.com Subject: ET: clothes let's just all go naked and then we won't hafta worry about this whole clothes issue. yeah? whaddya say everyone? "yay!!" ::applause applause:: ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V2 #18 *********************************